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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 666678 times)

Offline markdansie

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #420 on: April 17, 2013, 11:26:55 AM »
Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling  on another is fund raising effort  to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
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Mark

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #420 on: April 17, 2013, 11:26:55 AM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #421 on: April 17, 2013, 12:08:43 PM »
DomiChi
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
In your last posts I saw no proof, and you not have seen the Yildiz motor in Geneva like me.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #422 on: April 17, 2013, 01:23:43 PM »
yo yo detruchos,relax senjor,you sound like a rabid priest,stick with the facts man,ther is absolute zero evidence of fraud here,and zero evidence of non-fraud,lets leave it at that ok?the demo sucked,other than that nobody knows shit.

I disagree. If we take the reports of the actual events as true, and combine that with other stuff we know is true, then there is some evidence that things are not as were initially represented by Yildiz, and also by Sterling Allen.

1. The motor was supposed to make several kilowatts, then it was supposed to make 380 watts..... then it was shown maxing out at (a claimed) 2600 RPM spinning a model airplane propeller, 16x10, that takes at most 60 watts, and probably more like 45, to spin at that rate. Power (torque) measurements were supposed to be performed... but were not.

2. The big motor was supposed to have run, first 5.5 hours, then 4.5 hours.... but the start time was 10:28 am and the stop time was 2:50 pm, according to Sterling. And for the last hour it ran considerably slower than 2600 RPM. Yet we have been told many times how robust and reliable this motor is... but nobody, not even Duarte, has seen it run for longer than 5 hours. Battery power from concealed batteries powering a simple pulse motor arrangement cannot be ruled out based on the events of the demo, and in fact this fits the observed facts better than what Yildiz claims.

3. On the evening of the first day, Yildiz showed up at the dinner table with some magnet pieces, claiming that they came from the motor. But the motor was still assembled that evening, and it was still assembled the next morning. But Yildiz claimed that it would take a day and a half to take it apart and put it back together. So how did he get those pieces out, and why didn't he just take the time and fix the damned thing? Instead, on the third or fourth night he stays up till 4 am trying to get the smaller motor to run. And fails to produce a running motor.

4. The Controller. What controller? We were told, initially, that the smaller motor could not be run because the Controller for it was in use on the big motor and there was no other Controller. If the smaller motor were started without the Controller it would speed up and destroy itself. But.... after the first motor failed, why not just take this Controller off and move it to the smaller motor and run _that_ motor in the parking lot, overnight in the Manger, all day long...... etc. But.... people can casually spin the smaller motor with that sharp fan blade and nothing happens. AND... now Sterling's moderator Stuart Campbell tells us that... wait for it.... THERE IS NO CONTROLLER, which makes sense because... we never saw any Controller, nobody ever mentioned any Controller before, no Controller in the disassembled... or rather half-disassembled motor at Delft.... there is no Controller in Yildiz's patent, etc.. And the smaller motor never ran, with or without any Controller.

So we have some clear evidence, I think, that we have been lied to. The motor does not and cannot make kilowatts of power, and in this demo only made a few tens of watts of power, and considering the power and the total run time and the decreasing RPM in the latter part of the run, this is entirely consistent with a battery-powered pulse motor, and certainly does NOT correspond to what Yildiz has claimed, including the claims made to get him invited to this convention in the first place.
The broken magnets are just too convenient an excuse. The smaller motor did nothing but distract the gullible. The tachometer measurements weren't even checked, and they are critical, because power dissipation of a fan goes as the _CUBE_ of the RPM.

I could go on, but I think that the points I've noted above do indeed provide evidence of conscious deception on the part of Yildiz and perhaps Allen, and they do indeed provide evidence that Yildiz cannot provide what he claims to provide, when rigorously examined.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #422 on: April 17, 2013, 01:23:43 PM »
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Offline DomiChi

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #423 on: April 17, 2013, 01:29:39 PM »
In my career I had also contract with universities. If these Universities had not better confidential respect, I’d not only stop the contract but also asks lawyers interventions. If it’s true, I understand that M.Yildiz will change validator to warrant confidentiality before patent.
And if it is true what you say, it is also a criterion to not choose these Universities as partner for others projects. That gives me a big doubt  about these people professionalism. Then about of the validity of these post.
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
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Dear Dominique,
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Kling from TU Eindhoven I know personally, and he will never say it is a scam before talking to me.
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Regards,
-jorge

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #424 on: April 17, 2013, 01:38:22 PM »
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:

Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #424 on: April 17, 2013, 01:38:22 PM »
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Offline DomiChi

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #425 on: April 17, 2013, 02:06:55 PM »
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.
Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.

Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.
What are you speaking about?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #426 on: April 17, 2013, 02:53:44 PM »
Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.
What are you speaking about?

You are joking and twisting the words of the other users in this forum because you have nothing else to prove back, I thought that was clear enough.

And you are saying that you asked the brazillian assistant professor if the professors in the university were speaking the truth when asking that to anyone in the Yildiz team (which is the one being put to the test) is the one thing you shouldn't do. Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.
Yet again, I thought you were gonna leave the forum? Why are you still here trying to prove it without any proof?

I bet in France there is also a law for accessory to embezzlement (or fraud) which is far worse than calumny since you are aiding scammers to steal clueless investor's money.

You are very welcome to continue this conversation with me once there is a scientific proof that the machine is indeed runing only on magnetic power or when Yildiz goes to jail but until then, trying to make people believe in it with just random insignificant quotes, ignorant tests made with coins and magnetic field observations done with a phone app, rigged demonstrations, lies about the machine components and mechanics, using primordial "concepts" that are already proved to not work even after 5000 years (a water funil cannot fill itself alone), attempts to divert the obvious scam indications by diverting the subject, not mentioning that in 30 years he still is trying to get more investors will only be useless and counter-productive.

Not only that but the stirring and hard continuous attempt at this will only make any future investors more aware of the scam than the opposite, so in the end you are actually taking my side on this without even realizing it.

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« Reply #426 on: April 17, 2013, 02:53:44 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #427 on: April 17, 2013, 03:01:51 PM »
Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling  on another is fund raising effort  to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
Kind Regards
Mark

Yeah, I was aware of that but so far the PES network has been helpfull in many ways for me, too bad that up to this point I gave it a chance and hoped to see this Geneva Expo redeeming Sterling's name and delivering what we were all expecting, sadly the opposite occured.
I will never visit that website again.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2013, 03:03:03 PM »
Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.
You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.

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« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2013, 03:03:03 PM »
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Offline shadowpt

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #429 on: April 17, 2013, 03:15:37 PM »
You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.

Again, come back when you have anything worth saying. Prove to me that I am wrong, that J.Duarte is not a liar. Until you can prove it then he will remain as I see him, a liar that is trying to scam money from people.

It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #430 on: April 17, 2013, 03:18:21 PM »
I will never visit that website again.
Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #431 on: April 17, 2013, 03:20:52 PM »
Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.

Again, come back when you have anything worth to say.

And its "rats are the first to leave a sinking ship", so in your own words, once again, you are actually helping me.

And I wasn't convinced before, as I said it to you, that is why I waited to have my final evidence on the Geneva Expo, after that I now am fully convinced that it is a scam.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #432 on: April 17, 2013, 03:33:19 PM »
It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.
For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to imagine that you are them, what will you do better?
As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.



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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #433 on: April 17, 2013, 03:37:01 PM »
For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to image that you are them, what will you do better?

Are you that childish to compare argumentation to a forum user's name?
I already posted in PESwiki and Allan keeps changing and twisting the words that I used (just like you do).

You are allergic to unfairness? I am allergic to bullshit and all of the talk you do is it.

I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.

As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.

You clearly have no idea of what you talk about. "Theories" do not make anything true, facts and evidence do. Pictures, faked results and pretty theories are worthless without any evidence. Build it yourself if you truly believe that it is true, I am not your horse.

Again, come back when you have anything worth to say.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #434 on: April 17, 2013, 03:58:03 PM »
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.

 

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