Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling  on another is fund raising effort  to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
Kind Regards
Mark

yo yo detruchos,relax senjor,you sound like a rabid priest,stick with the facts man,ther is absolute zero evidence of fraud here,and zero evidence of non-fraud,lets leave it at that ok?the demo sucked,other than that nobody knows shit.

I disagree. If we take the reports of the actual events as true, and combine that with other stuff we know is true, then there is some evidence that things are not as were initially represented by Yildiz, and also by Sterling Allen.

1. The motor was supposed to make several kilowatts, then it was supposed to make 380 watts..... then it was shown maxing out at (a claimed) 2600 RPM spinning a model airplane propeller, 16x10, that takes at most 60 watts, and probably more like 45, to spin at that rate. Power (torque) measurements were supposed to be performed... but were not.

2. The big motor was supposed to have run, first 5.5 hours, then 4.5 hours.... but the start time was 10:28 am and the stop time was 2:50 pm, according to Sterling. And for the last hour it ran considerably slower than 2600 RPM. Yet we have been told many times how robust and reliable this motor is... but nobody, not even Duarte, has seen it run for longer than 5 hours. Battery power from concealed batteries powering a simple pulse motor arrangement cannot be ruled out based on the events of the demo, and in fact this fits the observed facts better than what Yildiz claims.

3. On the evening of the first day, Yildiz showed up at the dinner table with some magnet pieces, claiming that they came from the motor. But the motor was still assembled that evening, and it was still assembled the next morning. But Yildiz claimed that it would take a day and a half to take it apart and put it back together. So how did he get those pieces out, and why didn't he just take the time and fix the damned thing? Instead, on the third or fourth night he stays up till 4 am trying to get the smaller motor to run. And fails to produce a running motor.

4. The Controller. What controller? We were told, initially, that the smaller motor could not be run because the Controller for it was in use on the big motor and there was no other Controller. If the smaller motor were started without the Controller it would speed up and destroy itself. But.... after the first motor failed, why not just take this Controller off and move it to the smaller motor and run _that_ motor in the parking lot, overnight in the Manger, all day long...... etc. But.... people can casually spin the smaller motor with that sharp fan blade and nothing happens. AND... now Sterling's moderator Stuart Campbell tells us that... wait for it.... THERE IS NO CONTROLLER, which makes sense because... we never saw any Controller, nobody ever mentioned any Controller before, no Controller in the disassembled... or rather half-disassembled motor at Delft.... there is no Controller in Yildiz's patent, etc.. And the smaller motor never ran, with or without any Controller.

So we have some clear evidence, I think, that we have been lied to. The motor does not and cannot make kilowatts of power, and in this demo only made a few tens of watts of power, and considering the power and the total run time and the decreasing RPM in the latter part of the run, this is entirely consistent with a battery-powered pulse motor, and certainly does NOT correspond to what Yildiz has claimed, including the claims made to get him invited to this convention in the first place.
The broken magnets are just too convenient an excuse. The smaller motor did nothing but distract the gullible. The tachometer measurements weren't even checked, and they are critical, because power dissipation of a fan goes as the _CUBE_ of the RPM.

I could go on, but I think that the points I've noted above do indeed provide evidence of conscious deception on the part of Yildiz and perhaps Allen, and they do indeed provide evidence that Yildiz cannot provide what he claims to provide, when rigorously examined.

I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:

Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.

Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.
What are you speaking about?

You are joking and twisting the words of the other users in this forum because you have nothing else to prove back, I thought that was clear enough.

And you are saying that you asked the brazillian assistant professor if the professors in the university were speaking the truth when asking that to anyone in the Yildiz team (which is the one being put to the test) is the one thing you shouldn't do. Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.
Yet again, I thought you were gonna leave the forum? Why are you still here trying to prove it without any proof?

I bet in France there is also a law for accessory to embezzlement (or fraud) which is far worse than calumny since you are aiding scammers to steal clueless investor's money.

You are very welcome to continue this conversation with me once there is a scientific proof that the machine is indeed runing only on magnetic power or when Yildiz goes to jail but until then, trying to make people believe in it with just random insignificant quotes, ignorant tests made with coins and magnetic field observations done with a phone app, rigged demonstrations, lies about the machine components and mechanics, using primordial "concepts" that are already proved to not work even after 5000 years (a water funil cannot fill itself alone), attempts to divert the obvious scam indications by diverting the subject, not mentioning that in 30 years he still is trying to get more investors will only be useless and counter-productive.

Not only that but the stirring and hard continuous attempt at this will only make any future investors more aware of the scam than the opposite, so in the end you are actually taking my side on this without even realizing it.

Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.

You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.

I will never visit that website again.

Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.

It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.

For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to imagine that you are them, what will you do better?
As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.

I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.

It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.