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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 695417 times)

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #330 on: April 12, 2013, 01:06:23 AM »

Here is today's report from Sterling relating to the Yildiz motor demo:  {sterlinga Networks quite well]






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Yildiz Magnet Motor Demo Report, April 11, 2013

Even though the motor was not continuously running, only occasionally for a brief demo, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high; and there were things observable today that were not noticed or addressed yesterday. The believers have more reason to believe.


by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News


Even though the motor was not continuously running, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high as they met other like-minded people, shared business cards, talked business, shared dreams about the future, and strategized about how to help Mr. Yildiz succeed, along with other technologies of promise.

As I returned to the Villa in France where the documentary film crew is staying (Ronny and are parked out in front with the motorhome Ronny rented for 550 Euros for the week), they asked me if I felt let down by today's lack of a motor running continuously. I told them that for me, I am glad that the motor was not running continuously, because I was able to see several significant things that I would not have seen otherwise. It makes it more real. I am even more convinced today than I was yesterday.

If it had just been a matter of the motor slowing down yesterday, before they shut it off, then I think the skepticism would have been higher, but because the noise increased, giving evidence that something had gone amiss, it was easier to believe Mr. Yildiz' explanation that some magnets had gotten out of place and could create a cascading, catastrophic failure if he kept it running continuously.

And last night, his showing Ronny, Halil, and me some of the magnet fragments he pulled out of the motor, gave physical evidence of what he was saying. And with that, it wasn't hard to imagine how some of the unretrieved fragments of the brittle neodymium magnets could be lodged elsewhere in the motor, causing problems and possibly instigating a major failure.

Actually, I was somewhat surprised that he was still willing to give the motor a run at various times throughout the day. And for me, watching the motor start and stop gave me even more confidence that it is indeed a magnet motor and not a motor powered by a hidden battery. It was obvious that the braking mechanism that caused the motor to stop, once released by Yildiz' use of the screwdriver, hit with a mallet, immediately, within maybe a 1/5 of a second, allowed the motor then accelerate to full speed. However, when he hit that mechanism in the reverse direction, to stop the motor through the brake, it took maybe 3-5 seconds to slow to a stop, which is consistent with a brake on a resisting force.

So as I described the motor to curious passers by, I would tell them that as the motor is sitting there stopped, it is under tension to want to accelerate, which it immediately does when the brake is disengaged.

There was no electric motor sound during that acceleration.

Another convincing demonstration that Yildiz did was to hold a coin perpendicular to the small motor as it was turned slowly. You could see the coin flop back and forth as the magnetic polarity passing by it changed. (Video)

Also, the behavior of that smaller motor was consistent with the concept of all-magnet power. With very slow rotation speed by hand, moving it maybe 2 rpm, you could feel a very strong cogging. It almost hurt your finger to push on the fan blade to get it past a cogging point. Yet if you pushed it a little harder, it would begin spinning for several revolutions. That behavior is completely inconsistent with how a motor would behave if there were some kind of hidden battery and motor. It is totally consistent with the notion of a magnetic motor. Throughout the day, people were toying with that propeller. That alone convinced a lot of people that there is something unusual going on here.

The closest motor that might have action like this is a stepper motor, but some of the action of Yildiz motor is not consistent with a stepper motor.

Meanwhile, the propeller on the larger motor that had the brake on it, did not turn, due to the brake, consistent with the idea of the brake holding it in place, and its release allowing its movement.


Visitors

Several celebrities in the free energy movement visited the booth today and hung out for many hours. Adolph and Inge Schneider were there, and at least Adoph had shifted from his skepticism to a very definite optimism.

Giorgio Iacuzzo from Nexus Magazine was there, and I was able to do an interview for him.

The most surprising visitor and reaction, for me, was from a person who for now does not wish to be announced, but who is a very credible figure in the field, playing an incubating role. I thought for sure he would be among the most skeptical. But I heard him tell someone, in my presence, that he has been tracking the field of free energy for many years, hunting for legitimate technologies to assist, and of all the technologies he presently knows of, this one is the most promising.

He spent several hours with Mr. Yildiz last night, was at the booth much of the day yesterday, and almost all day today. He and Yildiz' team have a very good chemistry. He is going to be arranging a laboratory testing of the motor near the end of May, which will pass full scientific rigor. They plan on testing a motor with a 5 kW load, with all necessary observation, measurement, and protocol to fully vindicate the motor. Then, he plans to help them get the engineering needed to improve the reliability of the motor and to help bring it to market.

I talked with an investor with a European company that has annual revenue of 1.5 billion, who is visiting Defkalion next week. He's also interested in the Yildiz motor, and had dinner with the above-mentioned guy, myself, and several others this evening. Fascinating conversation enjoyed by all.

One of the guys at the table also doesn’t want his face/identity to be published, but he goes by YoungTesla  at YouTube, and upon hearing his many accounts, the name is quite fitting. While still at the expo, he showed us a "superbowl" video he posted to his channel, which shows a pot of water in an 800-year-old bowl he got from India, being brought over a stove. The water vibrated instead of boiling, and raised to 160 C and never boiled. I can't remember his explanation, but it sounded plausible. He said he also has built a working magnet motor but put it on hold due to being harassed by black SUVs and such.

He explained how he thinks the Yildiz motor works. He said that what the motor does is forward the eddy current to an advanced magnet to cause it to change properties. So instead of creating heat, the eddy current enables to motor to operate. This is consistent with the measurements we took yesterday that showed that while operating at around 2600 rpm, the motor did not heat up at all. Maybe 1 degree C above room temperature at the bearings. Normally, magnets passing by aluminum (which is what the motor walls are made of) creates heat. But no heat is created in Yildiz' motor.

Another highlight from the day was meeting with a group of four guys from Slovenia who drove 8 hours to see the Yildiz motor. They have created a company, ENSTROJ, bringing forward a super-efficient, high-power motor/generator, which is now in production, recently finishing a batch of 20 motors. It was measured by Siemens to have an efficiency of 96%, with power output from between 5 kw and 100 kw. It weighs 2-3 times less than competing motors, and costs 2-3 times less. It is a great technology to pair with something like the Yildiz motor. I shot a video interview with them.

One of their scientists is also involved in LENR research, and has ideas about how to create high torque in a compact package.

I also spent time visiting with a couple of businessmen, including Dr. Ing. Mihai Sanduleac, who came from Romania to see the demonstration. We hope to drive to France either tomorrow or Saturday to visit the guy who has the Kapagen motor there, if we can contact them and make an appointment.


Coming Sunday

On Sunday, Himansh Verma from India is flying in for the demo. He asked me today what I thought about it, and based on my recommendations, he's making the trip. We helped him get his visa last week.

Who is Himansh? He's the guy I've been talking about from India who is serving as free energy scout for the Chief Minister of Punjab, the northern province. He's the one with the self-looped motor-generator technology that is now going into production. They are building manufacturing plants; and they are entertaining licensing for this technology.

This is why I have been listing that technology as #1 in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies for a few months.  The down side is that they are still many months away from these products actually being available for customers. It takes time to ramp up the manufacturing plants.

You might ask: "If they have this self-looped motor generator technology, using off-the-shelf motors and generators, at a low cost, why would the even bother to look at other technologies?"  The answer is that they want a diverse portfolio and more than one solution. Hence, he is coming to Geneva to meet with the Yildiz magnet motor team.
...

Presently (April 11, 2013 08:10:45 PM MST [GMT-8]) working on uploading videos shot today.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork - channel where I'm uploading videos
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« Last Edit: April 12, 2013, 06:49:37 AM by ramset »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #330 on: April 12, 2013, 01:06:23 AM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #331 on: April 12, 2013, 02:52:52 AM »
Mile High
I stand corrected and welcome your comments. It was a hypothetical (bad one at that) and one that has never been tested given I never found a magnetic motor that runs.
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #332 on: April 12, 2013, 01:07:00 PM »
mm.i knew it had something to do with eddy currents,magnets alone wouldnt be able to circumvent the 2nd law.i suspect the aluminum casing plays a role for eddy generation and gives rise to a unique isothermal cycle of adiabatic cooling/heating involving ambient heat input here.if a paramagnetic inductor with coil can give more energy on the kickback than was put in then a related phenomena can happen here,without battery

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #332 on: April 12, 2013, 01:07:00 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #333 on: April 12, 2013, 01:22:14 PM »
heres a hypothesis for you thinkers out there.what would happen if i 'flicked' a non-metallic magnet past a metallic one of equal gaus strength? Would eddy currents be generated only in the metallic one?and how would the eddy currents affect the magnetism in the metallic one momentarily? Gotta think bowt these things.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #334 on: April 12, 2013, 06:16:47 PM »
:)


not simple tuning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9

Looking at these videos at list confirms, that he really is fiddling around with magnets. But it also shows it's just a work in progress. I found the very first picture with the magnetic "hills" interesting, especially with the inner and outer hills. Obviously he tried to construct the motor in a way it is permanently unbalanced (... ok, this is something everyone tries with magnet motors)

I still do wonder about the permanent rotations (even if it's only for a few hours). I'd guess that he somehow tried to keep the rotations alive with a small battery, which pulses a controller magnet or something.... and that the power generated is far greater than the one used by the controller...

Does not look like a scam to me anymore, but probably needs additional research.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #335 on: April 13, 2013, 12:33:27 AM »
Below are stills that I have captured from the video taken at the demo at the university in Netherlands,
images that may enhance the thought processes started in this topic about harnessing the eddy field geometry.
 
The rotor is made of plastic and so are a few of the stators, but some of the stators are for some reason made of aluminum.
A brief look at the rotor gives an estimate of approximately 250 magnets, and according to Yildiz there are another thousand magnets in the rest of the array.
 

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #336 on: April 13, 2013, 04:44:25 AM »
Oh good grief.

In the video above, titled "magnet assist evidence", what is being shown is nothing more than a rotor on good bearings responding to a magnetically repulsive "hill", evidently a single one per rotation of the rotor. "You see the future"..... what a crock. You see the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWfHWJTlf0  (WARNING: FLICKERING FLASHING LIGHTS, don't watch if you have a seizure disorder or are sensitive to flicker. Look away if you feel nauseous.)
Here, in this video, from around 1:00 to around 2:00 I show the _exact same effect_ only with 4 hills per revolution in a powerful little fan, made in Taiwan years ago, that uses repulsion/attraction instead of just attraction alone. When the fan is not powered, a gentle push with the finger rotates the rotor around, and as it slows, you can see it getting the same "assist" that the makers of that video above want you to think is "the future". And when it slows even further, it begins to bounce back and forth between two of the potential hills, but since there are four in this fan instead of one, the bouncing takes up only a fraction of a full revolution, whereas in the Yildiz "motor" with a single active hill, the bounce takes up most of a full revolution.
You'd think Sterling had never seen a repultraction pulse motor before. Well, maybe he hasn't, most pulse motors are attracpulsion (Bedini) or core effect (Steorn) kind, and they do behave differently, showing a "quiver" as the rotor is locked in a potential valley, rather than the "bounce" between potential hills like a repultraction motor.

The nice collection of images from the disassembly misses the fact that the motor was not _completely_ disassembled at that demonstration. From what I understand, the entire lower half remained assembled, and only the bits that you see actually in those images were removed and passed around for inspection. Since it's made of identical modules.... that should be sufficient, right? Besides it's nearly time for lunch and Yildiz has a plane to catch....etc etc etc. Nobody, or at least nobody who is talking, perhaps not even Duarte, has actually seen the _whole thing_ disassembled. If you doubt this... why, if it was taken apart at Delft or Eindhoven, did Yildiz have to go hide in a closet for twenty minutes before being able to start it the first time at this demo? After all--- we've already seen the parts, right?
Right.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #337 on: April 13, 2013, 04:59:15 AM »
Hi TK
there is also some other possibilities.
1. A wind up spring lol (with enough tension anything is possible)
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
3.  That many of the magnets are batteries in disguise (rather cool)
Of course there is the question of the mysterious controller Box
For the record I have been calling this one fraud for years, and one of the main reasons I have been banned of free energy news.
I have never seen any magnetic motors running self looped, or any other device that could sustain itself long enough to discount other energy sources.
I do enjoy your posts (despite your low opinion of me)
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Mark (Thailand at the moment)
Mark, I don't have a "low opinion" of you. I just think that you should share with your public, when you report on your trips and investigations, where the money came from to fund the trip and investigation. You don't have to be specific, just categorical: I paid for this trip and expenses myself with my own money, My sponsor or a group of interested potential investors paid for this with their money, The claimant paid all or part of the trip and expenses as part of his/her "validation".
The story of Mister Wayne Travis, who apparently paid for some of your expenses in an attempt to get your endorsement and/or help as a consultant, and who now is continuing to fail to demonstrate the "self runner" that he has claimed to have for years, is a case in point. He got months of credibility out of hiring you (in one way or another) as a consultant, but it wasn't clear in your reports that he was supporting your visit financially.
In case anyone is interested, every single one of my investigations that I have ever reported on here or on my YT account was paid for in full by me and myself only, with the single exception of Orbette 2.0, which was funded by an interested group of potential investors.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #338 on: April 13, 2013, 05:14:27 AM »
But we got to see the impressive Swiss Delegation!  It was like WWI!  Sterling is not in Kansas.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #339 on: April 13, 2013, 05:21:44 AM »
Try reading Sterling's demo report for April 11th. It's really awful and grotesque:

"I am even more convinced today than I was yesterday."
 
CONVINCED?. GOOD JOB STERLING!!. NOW WHAT? . A speech about KARMA?

Meanwhile, no power measured, no torque measured. Sterling is in the summer time.

Remember Allan: you travel to GENEVA thanks the efforts of hundreds of volunteers who paid for your trip and stay.

Let YILDIZ to do his "FAN DEMO FOR EVER", but you do your job!
Or refund the money to the people who paid for your assistance!

I know that Allan is not an engineer guy, so I am going to comment on one of your points, please don't take offense:

A video on Youtube IS NOT a scientific proof of anything!. You need to understand this, please!!!

Many witnesses claims the YILDIZ´S MOTOR can be stoped WITH ONE HAND.

Until now, this look a well done magic trick.

Please, can anyone talk with Sterling A and say this?

DO YOUR JOB STERLING! REMEMBER THIS!

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #340 on: April 13, 2013, 06:57:45 AM »
In one of the videos where the big motor is not running, a man flicked the fan blade with one finger and it moved about 1/4 the rotation counter clockwise, original fan motors rotate clockwise, question is why did the fan move  while it was clamped by the brakes? It should not  >:( ,, with the power they claim you cannot reverse spin the rotor with just a flick of a finger? Just being skeptic of what i see... Any other comments on this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DiuwXLU4v_8#t=450s

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #341 on: April 13, 2013, 09:51:08 AM »
Crazycut:

That was a very astute observation on your part.  It makes you wonder if the Yildiz team told Sterling that there was a brake holding back the motor because it always wants to turn.  It certainly doesn't look like that from your observation.  Or did Sterling just assume that the motor always wants to turn after being told there was a brake inside the mechanism?

If one subscribes to the theory that the motor is being powered by batteries, then there is a possible explanation for starting and stopping the motor with a hammer and the alleged braking system.  The possible explanation is that using the hammer is just theatrics to disguise the throwing of an on-off switch.  The hit of the hammer also disguises the sound from the switch.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #342 on: April 13, 2013, 10:24:45 AM »
@crazy: do you mean the action that happens right at 7:34?

That is a standard model airplane "traction" propeller, it is designed to spin counterclockwise viewed from the front and blows air backwards. If it is rotated clockwise it will push the air forwards. The weird part isn't in the direction, but that it moves at all. I too thought that the thing was supposed to be "locked" by whatever starting mechanism is used, but apparently not. But then, the motor is under repair, so who knows if it is actually in running condition in that video.
It's fun to watch them with their little iphone magnetometers, isn't it? Kind of like a couple of children playing house, pretending to bake a cake using paper cups and a cardboard oven.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #343 on: April 13, 2013, 01:31:03 PM »
The nice collection of images from the disassembly misses the fact that the motor was not _completely_ disassembled at that demonstration. From what I understand, the entire lower half remained assembled, and only the bits that you see actually in those images were removed and passed around for inspection. Since it's made of identical modules.... that should be sufficient, right? Besides it's nearly time for lunch and Yildiz has a plane to catch....etc etc etc. Nobody, or at least nobody who is talking, perhaps not even Duarte, has actually seen the _whole thing_ disassembled. If you doubt this... why, if it was taken apart at Delft or Eindhoven, did Yildiz have to go hide in a closet for twenty minutes before being able to start it the first time at this demo? After all--- we've already seen the parts, right?
Right.

@ TinselKoala,

Posting the images was solely material of intellectual interest for those in this thread who have decided do consider the Yildiz PM motor as no scam, you are perfectly aware that there are people here in this thread representing a quite different opinion than you and the dedicated sceptiscists.

As for myself, as I have said before, I want to keep an open mind until validation in any direction is confirmed, which means that I and several other members here are totally at ease with an objective standpoint, saying neither yes or no.

Keep in mind that your input is nothing more than your own personal opinion, no matter what experiences may back you up.
 
And be so kind to avoid interpreting everything deviating from your own belief posted here as intentions to prove anything valid.
Those of us preferring the open minded approach does really not enjoy being harassed as blind believers.

Soo please get off our backs and let those of us who wants extrapolate any possible theories that may be the effective cause behind a hypothetically functioning PM motor.
 
Thank you.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #344 on: April 13, 2013, 03:33:20 PM »
Thank you TK
I will in the future do full disclosure on myself.
In Mr Wayne's case he did provide an airfare when I visited on some occasions not all.
However no consulting fees were paid and in my visits I was on my own time or my companies time.
This has never influenced me as in some cases the inventors do pay for me, or the owner of the technology.
I have to be diligent that people do not use me for an endorsement (unless I actually do)
I have always said in this case it is not validated till I see it self running for two days, but there were enough engineers and others and some evidence suggesting it was a possibility. To date my condition has not been met.
However I am happy to be corrected by you and others, I am far from perfect but I do not seek public donations or crowd funding.
i guess I have done a lot of miles and busted a lot of technologies and to be honest it gets depressing after a while seeing 100% failure rate. It has cost me personally a lot of money for little or no return (like many of the good experimenters out there)
So I may have not met your high standards or others in this case, and willing to accept the criticism you dished out.
Most who know and met me in person know I am only interested in seeking the truth, and I rely on people far more qualified than I ever hope to be.
I hold you in High Regard TK you are one of the brightest mis guided genius I have ever come across.
Kind Regards
PS Yiltidz is a fake, and a scam artist and Sterling is guilty by association
Mark


 

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