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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 671215 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #255 on: March 22, 2013, 07:15:00 PM »
@DomIchi:
You are incorrect -- or at least very highly misleading -- in your statements about "the Minato motor". Minato has several patents, and what is being used in Japanese industry is a fan motor design based on repulsively oriented magnets _and electromagnets_ . His design has some advantages over "normal" electric fan motors but is in no sense a "free energy" machine or a self runner or something with "COP > 1". Like all other motors used in industry everywhere, it needs a power supply of conventional nature.
Here on this forum when a "Minato Motor" is talked about, generally what is meant is the "free energy" self-sustaining, all-permanent-magnet motor design of Minato, supposedly with no external power supply. This design is very much NOT in use in Japan for anything but entertaining children, and as anyone who has done real research can tell you, only "works" when the driving stator magnets are hand-held by the experimenter... and are powered perfectly normally by the experimenter's inadvertent hand motions from trying to hold the stator still.

As far as Duarte is concerned.... the burden of proof is on the presenter of these theories, not upon his detractors. When Yildiz allows his motor claims to be truly properly tested and they are found to be true by independent and _complete_ examination, that is the time to start formulating-- and testing scientifically-- theories of its operation. Not before the phenomenon is even confirmed to exist.
I can make up all kinds of theories about why my invisible pink unicorns are able to fly so stealthily and bring me my groceries.... is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true, or are you just an Internet troll?

Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #255 on: March 22, 2013, 07:15:00 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #256 on: March 22, 2013, 08:08:32 PM »
Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?
And you?
On free energy forum, I only see people only able to say that other projects are SCAM. But with nothing to let see, even a toy or a desktop thing staying animated during 4 days like M.Yildiz propose. M.Yildiz is far away

There is not only magnet or magnetism in OU energy, do you know Schauberger repulsine?
For now I was busy on vital energy then I make first my site on water memory and 5th dimension. As soon as I will have time to make something on my OU experiences, I will do it. But I am not in a hurry as it will be considered as SCAM, even if I do not want to sell anything.

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is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true
I never sayed it exists or not, i just like to see people beeing correct until Geneva Yildiz proof. Wait and see. If the Yildiz motor can run in the middle of a parking during 4 days without external electricity, for my need it is enough, and I will buy one of the first ones, if not too expensive. Having 4 days power without any noize, and no other power, it is a SCAM that I am ready to pay for this SCAM. Relaunching every 4 days is ok for me.

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I can make up all kinds of theories about why my invisible pink unicorns are able to fly so stealthily and bring me my groceries.... is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true, or are you just an Internet troll?
If you plan to let us see, I come, and I will not open your invisible pink unicorns (Is it invisible or pink?). If it is invisible I do not come.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #257 on: March 23, 2013, 09:51:07 AM »
Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
I you do not consider youself to be better than J. Duarte, you have to read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf. If you think that you are better, you have to say why?

I have seen his machine parts and the way it is all setup is a perendev variation with a simple spiral orientation, based on a scam from start already. Yildiz already invented a "miraculous" machine before (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/S9H49iWBUOI/AAAAAAAABXo/ld1fijnTgWo/s1600/yildiz-prs.jpg) and surprisingly it never got far nor any scientific evidence that it worked as he claimed were brought to public. J.Duarte already looks and sounds like someone that is trying to oversell a product that doesn't meet half the expectations that he tries to claim and brazillians were already part of many previous scams in this field. The man even avoids answering directly to hard-proof questions people ask by quoting and telling how ridicule people might be while facing such a OU concept machine, so sorry if I don't take the word of a brazillian that acts like a politician when he has no excuse to be.

I never said I was better (don't even know how you got that idea unless you are trying to ridicule me without argumenting the points that I have previously stated) but I am not gonna fall for the "people have to put their skepticism aside if they want to believe that it actually works" so blindly, the entire man smells like scam since even before this machine and so far his actions have not helped to enforce his claims.

You told me previously that I shouldn't make some claims without some proof and now I tell you this, I am not your postmail, there are very long lasting and powerfull batteries in these days and if you want to know which ones then go use google ffs.

There are many videos on the web showing how a small motor can have lots of power with very small batteries, I have tried to find one specific but I am having hard time. Others are stargate motors which make a small motor more powerfull with magnets on its sides.

Want another kind of evidence how yildiz might be a big time scammer afterall? Guess who already made a very VERY similar motor before and people found out it was a scammer afterall www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvO9XMBZ4DI

If you truly believe that what yildiz says is true then why are you arguing with me? You clearly do not need my words to doubt anything but I have got to say, you really sound alot like someone that works for yildiz and is trying to do what JDuarte does, saying "it works" because people are skeptics, even though there is absolutely no hard evidence that it does work.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #257 on: March 23, 2013, 09:51:07 AM »
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Offline DomiChi

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #258 on: March 23, 2013, 01:06:22 PM »
so sorry if I don't take the word of a brazillian that acts like a politician when he has no excuse to be.


The Duart how did the expertize is not Brasilian but Dutch, and he is professor in Delft University in Nederland.

why are you arguing with me? I am not arguing for Yildiz, but for better WEB forums. If Yildiz technology is a SCAM, I well want to know, but you cannot say that before the Geneva exhibition.  Even if it WAS a SCAM, perhaps now he has found the good settings, as he plan a lot of settings in his conception. And my small expérience has already see me that just a bad place magnet can broke the principle by creating a magnetic well.


« Last Edit: March 23, 2013, 03:44:24 PM by DomiChi »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #259 on: March 23, 2013, 04:54:42 PM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2013, 07:15:00 PM

Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?


And you?
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That's pretty funny, DomiChi.... newbie.

How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvFHejoQEk

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #259 on: March 23, 2013, 04:54:42 PM »
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Offline DomiChi

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #260 on: March 23, 2013, 05:11:53 PM »
Newbie have no meaning because this qualificatif is only for this forum.
I am also on other forums, but French one. And "newbie" in this forum does not depend of posts pertinence, neither on technology diversity.

I have to replace a 5KVA thermique generator, the new one has to work without external power supply, no noize and no maintenance. It has to run during one week with no human, all year long, have you one to propose to me ?
If yes where can I by a working one?

"How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvFHejoQEk. "

Just that you have to change your dog picture with a pitbull.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #261 on: March 24, 2013, 08:20:30 AM »
Concerning Steorn engine, I prefer http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/html/steornv1.htm with more facts and better explanation.
And Naudin is always positive, see his "Recommendations and Improvements". He will try to help, not to broke.
See also http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/index.htm#PREUVE

But thank you for your link, like this I went to Steorn web and I could see their magnetic-viscosity.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2013, 03:34:50 PM by DomiChi »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Offline shadowpt

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #262 on: March 24, 2013, 10:30:25 AM »

The Duart how did the expertize is not Brasilian but Dutch, and he is professor in Delft University in Nederland.

why are you arguing with me? I am not arguing for Yildiz, but for better WEB forums. If Yildiz technology is a SCAM, I well want to know, but you cannot say that before the Geneva exhibition.  Even if it WAS a SCAM, perhaps now he has found the good settings, as he plan a lot of settings in his conception. And my small expérience has already see me that just a bad place magnet can broke the principle by creating a magnetic well.

Exactly, so am I, in a certain way. Search these forums and try to find one topic about the same machine concept that has been actually proven to be real, a OU machine run by magnets that actually works as they claim. You will not find one, zero, and that is because the history of physics, mathematics and forum users showed us why such machines were not doing what the inventors claimed.

I am not doing any differently, Yildiz's machine is a more pretty version of a previous one that I already linked to you, the pictures of his machine parts in his own website tell you that he is running a perendev configuration variation which is well known to not work already. He already made another OU motor before and didn't get far, no real hard evidence that it worked without any batteries or conceilled parts. 

J.L.Duarte IS a brazillian which is residing in Netherlands, studied there and worked there. He has a politician tongue, avoids any direct questioning by using quotes about how people have trouble to believe in the machine. He even started entitling himself as Dr. when he is only an assistant professor (Remember John Searle, which was never a Professor and started calling himself one?).

The video presentation they made publicly was in the same university of Duarte's and so far nothing else came from that presentation, no university interest in participating with Yildiz, not one single publication about the demonstration.

His own test agreement already yells scam by disabling the test team to actually test the machine properly, scientifically.

I say Scam because that is what I see but every single person in their entire life already made one mistake, so I will wait for the Geneva expo before I am absolutely 100% sure that it is a scam. I am 99% certain for now, until then all we can do is wait and see.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #263 on: March 24, 2013, 11:43:12 AM »
As I remarked earlier in my own research, make-belief is part of this game. The show must go on... so there are also scams. But is this one a scam or not? Indeed definite replicable proof of concept and proper research publications are missing. So we doubt, it is no small affair to break the existing paradigm with some kind of magnetic setup to prove there is a rectifiable source of space-energy out there. Our good old PM quest just might take a little longer...

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #264 on: March 24, 2013, 12:19:22 PM »
Look at this http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/22/645/send-sterling-allan-to-the-yildiz-magnet-motor-demonstration-in-geneva/
Wait and see, that is a positive attitude. Help them to go. It is the planet interest to proof that it can exist, or even to promote doubt. It is better to promote doubt than scam if that can help to have some official physicians’ studies.
And, even if M.Yildiz motor is not sufficient, he has 33 years of study on it, that can certainly be, with the Stoern turn around the stick point, a good start for the physicians.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2013, 03:59:31 PM by DomiChi »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #265 on: March 24, 2013, 03:57:02 PM »
Don't you remember Sterling's last little trip, to South Africa, to see the motor-generator that would be the answer to all our prayers? Where did all the money go, that he collected for that little junket, and where is the motor-generator that he was promised?

Sure, DomiChi, why don't you send Sterling to see Yildiz's demo. That's a great idea. Sterling can then bury his report of failure to see what was promised, along with all the other failures that he's been part of in the last few years. How many "confirmed" Free Energy claims has Sterling investigated? And why is he still running his home on the Utah electric grid? And why is he personally going broke?

But why do we need magnet motors at all? PJH will be releasing Quenco to the world at the end of March. No, wait... that's been re-scheduled, again. Maybe there's time for Yildiz to save the world after all.... if he can get in ahead of Mister Wayne Travis in Oklahoma.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #266 on: March 24, 2013, 04:18:02 PM »
I honestly do not think that he will come back with a fail. It is my intuition, but of course intuition is not a proof.
And I already put some money for his trip.
M.Yildiz was scan by vital energy specialist and himself does not think his project as a scam. Of course you think that vital energy (like reïki for example) is also a SCAM. But on this thema I have enough proof for myself that it is real.
If Sterling only gets open source pattent, it will be a success. Like this every body will get opportunity to reproduce and think on reality, not just miss patience.
TinselKoala, I hope that in your country judges are not like you. I see most guilty guys then you are guilty.

I do not know what is  PJH Quenco. But if it is another low power generator, it is not what I need. I need around 5kVA generator, every days, with no noize, minimum maintenance and no pollution. Sun and wind connot be solution because it is in middle of wood. Now it is a noizy thermique alternator, with pollution and regular tank filling.

I will stop my posts here on this thread. It is sterile.
I'll wait to go myself to Geneva.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #267 on: March 24, 2013, 04:25:54 PM »
TK:

I give Sterling credit because he did learn from the South African fiasco/experience.  Sterling stated that he did make requests to the Yildiz team that the motor should be driving a generator that's driving a substantial load.  I think that he requested that the motor drive a 1000-watt load.  Apparently this fell on deaf ears and the Yildiz team will be demoing their motor driving a fan.  As I stated previously, I would guess that the previous times we saw the Yildiz motor driving the fan with the metal blades, the mechanical load was somewhere in the vicinity of one watt or less.

In my opinion Sterling should not go as a protest because of the presumption of inadequate testing that will be shown by the Yildiz team.  There is no reason that the Yildiz team cannot be open and transparent and release the information about what the test setup will be before Geneva show.

We can assume that some reports and YouTube clips of the Geneva show will be available online shortly after the show starts so we will see!  We will see if the usual and very familiar pattern emerges.

We can hark back to the Steorn 2009-2010 Waterways demo.  That set the high water mark for a high profile non-event.  Steon demoed funky cart-before-the-horse magic force-inversion pulse motors made of pretty Perspex plastic that regularly drained the D-cells that powered them.  And the Perspex motors had no useful output at all.  And then the whole presentation and the whole pitch from Steorn vanished into thin air and nothing was ever heard about the Perspex motors again.  Talk about results!

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #268 on: March 24, 2013, 08:17:28 PM »
I honestly do not think that he will come back with a fail. It is my intuition, but of course intuition is not a proof.
And I already put some money for his trip.
M.Yildiz was scan by vital energy specialist and himself does not think his project as a scam. Of course you think that vital energy (like reïki for example) is also a SCAM. But on this thema I have enough proof for myself that it is real.
If Sterling only gets open source pattent, it will be a success. Like this every body will get opportunity to reproduce and think on reality, not just miss patience.
TinselKoala, I hope that in your country judges are not like you. I see most guilty guys then you are guilty.

I do not know what is  PJH Quenco. But if it is another low power generator, it is not what I need. I need around 5kVA generator, every days, with no noize, minimum maintenance and no pollution. Sun and wind connot be solution because it is in middle of wood. Now it is a noizy thermique alternator, with pollution and regular tank filling.

I will stop my posts here on this thread. It is sterile.
I'll wait to go myself to Geneva.

Yildiz's words will be proven on the Geneva expo, if it is a scam then it will be one less scammer around to steal money from hopeless people but if it is the real deal then I will buy you myself the generator that you want from Yildiz, and another for me aswell (although I am not very wealthy I will certainly spare some for such a "miracle").
Until then, discussing this will be pointless for everyone, we pretty much covered all aspects of his machine (s), shady past, previous inventions and the high possibility that it is actually a scam so until any more news surface regarding this subject I would suggest that we be patient and wait for it.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #269 on: March 28, 2013, 10:26:26 PM »
Here is a video if  it is not put in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XuFPezT1WJ8
I am a little skeptical, wait and see. :-[

 

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