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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 666199 times)

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #240 on: March 05, 2013, 08:09:29 AM »
i have a Question...
thank you for your input "dreamthinkbuild"
i have been thinking about a simular design by using perminent magnets on the innternal wheel but what would happen if you used electro magnets on the outer field and collect the back emf fron the collapsing field and loop the excess voltage back to a battery, using john bedini's circuit for back emf collection prosses the insueing voltage should be enough to sustain the electromagnet driving force indeffinatly

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #241 on: March 13, 2013, 07:48:17 AM »
http://pesn.com/2013/03/11/9602287_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor--Turning_to_Public_Instead_of_Universities_for_First_Major_Validation/

It appears Yildiz will be taking part at the Geneva Inventors Expo this April (14-16), can't wait to see how this will unveil, what excuse he will use to avoid being exposed.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #242 on: March 17, 2013, 08:31:14 AM »
I had an answer from  Halil TURKMEN.


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(Halil is Mr. Yildiz’ associate)

By Halil TURKMEN
for Pure Energy Systems News
March 9, 2013

Muammer YILDIZ has been working on his invention for 33 years.

During this long period, he has faced so many difficulties. And thanks to
GOD, he is still alive and keeps on going, till the end, for his
inventions, in order to serve the people with his projects.

As you can imagine easily, there is a huge interest of people, companies,
governments, investors so on. But the main problem is that, more than 90%
of these are having masks on their faces. They don’t show their real faces
and intentions till the last moment.

All these years gave YILDIZ the experience to see the faces behind the
masks. But he believes that one day, he will be able to work with the
people who are 100% honest.

It’s not a problem of money. Because YILDIZ never asks money for himself.
He is the inventor, but he doesn’t accept money from anyone for his
pocket. He needs the money to pay to WIPO, to pay to translators, lawyers,
material shops, etc. These are the amounts that are asked by the
professionals from him. He always says: “I am not a scientist, engineer,
financialist or a lawyer… I am just an inventor… I need professional help
to improve this technology, make it produced all over the world, make it
possible to be used by all world’s population; and all I need fordoing
this, is the loyalty of the people.”

He believes in GOD. He prays to GOD every time and he thinks that this
invention is a gift from GOD, given to him. And he tries to give this gift
to all the people. The owner is GOD, we are just users.

The 30 day tests were offered by the university professors. If not, we
would be able to do the 3 day tests in Izmir, in January 2013. And we
wouldn’t face the negative comments till today.

YILDIZ accepted the requests of the university to make the tests in
Europe, instead of Turkiye. And he also accepted the duration of 30 days,
instead of 3 days. But the university (till now) didn’t give the exact
date to make the start. And because of this reason, we still have to face
the negative comments.

As we have spoken to you on Skype, the university has some additional
requests that are not acceptable. And we now see clearly that the
university wants to delay the tests. Maybe they are not 100% free. Maybe
they have fear or somebody or something. Or maybe they have other
intentions, aims that they didn’t say before.

Now, we have 30 days till the expo in Geneva. We are invited there by the
government. And with God’s permit, we will be there. It won’t be a
laboratory environment but people will have the opportunity to see him and
his invention. Till the expo, it may not be possible to have a university
test; but as I mentioned above, it was not because of us, but because of
the university.

As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!

We do not offend anyone. We don’t want to. If not, it would be so easy to
announce the names of the companies or the people, or the universities who
tried to negotiate till now.

If we had the aim to offend the university, we could pronounce the name of
the university. We didn’t even pronounce the city or the country of the
university. If not, all the professors, and their families would be under
pressure of the media, the companies and the people. Even in their daily
lives, or on the net etc. We didn’t do it. Because it is not the goal.

The goal is FREEDOM; for YILDIZ, for us, for everyone in the world. To
change the world all together, in a better way. Save the environment, save
our children’s future, and have HEAVEN here on earth. Because of this
goal, we are now living in Hellish conditions. I see many devils around.
But I am sure that I will be enough against them, even being alone.

Like YILDIZ, I am not a scientist, nor an engineer. I am an architect. I
work voluntarily for this project. My aim is to use his inventions for the
handicapped people, for the kids and the old people; so it means for all
the people. Because we are all potentially handicapped. We have so many
futuristic projects with YILDIZ, and the magnetic motor is just the
beginning. We see that some of the people are not ready even for the
magnetic motor, then it is better not to announce the other projects for
now; not yet. If not, most of the people may think that we are crazy. I
assure you that I am crazier than they can imagine. But I am also sure
that, they will go crazy when they will be able to see his other projects
with their own eyes.

I receive hundreds of messages everyday. And I am not capable to answer
all of them on time. Since 2010 (after seeing the motor for the first time
at Mr. YILDIZ’s house) all my phone calls are listened and recorded. My
internet connection is under control. My house is under observation. These
are normal. I don’t comment negatively. Everybody’s doing his/her job.
Even the listeners, even the observers are paid for doing their jobs. The
important point is that, every person has the good part and the bad part
inside. And the aim is to live with the good part; keep the good part
alive. I try to do this way. When I receive the negative comments, I feel
bad. Because I am sure of the invention; I am sure of myself; but some
people are having problems in themselves and try to offend us. With
negative comments, they give harm to the feelings of the other people.
They don’t have this right. It’s not freedom. I was sick for the last 3
days, and I couldn’t look at the internet during these days. After this
period I see that the net is full of messages and they think that I am
here, seeing the messages but not answering them. The truth is, I am also
a human being. I must help to my son who is 7 years old, my wife who is
pregnant, and my parents who are 68 and 77, and at the same time YILDIZ.
Since August 30th I am unemployed, and I have to work for my family using
home-office, in order to pay our bills etc. I enjoy spending my time for
BSMH project, but in 3 years, I lost the health of my eyes. They don’t let
me to work so much. After 1-2 hours, I feel terrible, and I cannot
continue to work.

After the expo, I am sure that we can build up a professional organization
as BSMH Company, here in Izmir. And I will be able to share this job with
the professionals. Our aim is to set Mr. YILDIZ totally free in his
laboratory, for 24 hours, in order to work for his projects.

In these days he is so busy because of the phone calls and the messages
that he receives from everyone (the governments, investors, companies,
banks etc) His job must not be this. He is the inventor, and he must work
freely to develop his inventions. The rest must be done by the
professionals. In the correct way; not in a way that will harm the
project, or the people.

Our personal aim, till the expo in Geneva, is to apply to WIPO, getting
the PCT for the “Starter, Controller, and Changer” parts of the motor (the
parts that weren’t patented before). In these days, we are busy solving
the financial problems to make these applications. If we can, we may take
a good deep sleep after all those years. The technical tests are so easy
to pass, but I think some people are not able to pass the “patience test”
of GOD, during this period.

I want to thank everyone who is sending good wishes, collaboration offers,
offers of help, and so on. Please excuse me, that I cannot respond to
every message on time (hundreds of them everyday). I will try to find a
solution to inform all the people daily. And we hope to set up a better
web page that is useful for the handicapped people.

Thanks again to everyone. We will do it all together.

Yours, Halil

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #242 on: March 17, 2013, 08:31:14 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #243 on: March 20, 2013, 04:44:03 AM »
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people will have the opportunity to see him and his invention.

Sure they will but I bet that he won't open the machine at all to prove that it isn't a scam.
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As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!

I am very curious to read that exact agreement, what exactly is being requested in it must be very shady like "the present witnesses may not at any time inspect the machine without the inventor's authorization nor conduct any tests that are not authorized by him or the responsible entities" so, you know, they end up only seeing half the machine (again) and unable to conduct proper tests to prove that it isn't a scam. Even I would deny conducting any tests under such conditions.

As I said before (only one thing I withdraw which is the coils that are used to limit the speed which I confused with electronic dyno limiters that I averiguated after checking the full machine declaration) the geneva expo will be his last card. If he attends it then it will be proven that it is either a scam or it isn't, if he makes an excuse and doesn't go (even after saying that their presence is confirmed) then the scam is proved.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #244 on: March 20, 2013, 08:50:51 AM »
Sure they will but I bet that he won't open the machine at all to prove that it isn't a scam.
It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
You have to apply 5th Toltec agreement "Be skeptical but Listen!". it is easy to spread doubt and rumors on the Internet. It will be less easy to stop them.
I advice you to practice all the 5 agreements, we will have a better Internet and society.
If you look at this topic http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1605, at message N° 5 you will see that we have a member how will go in Geneva to see. Sorry its in French, but google can translate.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #245 on: March 20, 2013, 10:17:49 AM »
I am very curious to read that exact agreement, what exactly is being requested
They just ask that the part which are not allready patented stay secret. For me that seems justified as these parts will depend of industry agreements diversity. I had mail contact with Delft professor and he was not frustrated at all by these restrictions, he understands the Yildiz point of view. And me too, even if I'd like to do one my-self. But if you look at Minato wheel, you will find a lot less usefull information than on the Yildiz, and the Minato is already a product, not a pdf like Johnson motor with old HDD magnets.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2013, 08:30:11 PM by DomiChi »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #246 on: March 20, 2013, 01:23:07 PM »
Hi DomiChi,

Why do you say the Minato wheel is already a product?  Where is it sold, and for how much? Can you direct to a website?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #247 on: March 20, 2013, 03:26:59 PM »
The Minatomotor is used in supermarket in Japan for climatisation and/or ventilation. I have seen pictures and vidéos but I have not the link. Google can find that for you.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #248 on: March 21, 2013, 04:11:52 AM »
It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
You have to apply 5th Toltec agreement "Be skeptical but Listen!". it is easy to spread doubt and rumors on the Internet. It will be less easy to stop them.
I advice you to practice all the 5 agreements, we will have a better Internet and society.
If you look at this topic http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1605, at message N° 5 you will see that we have a member how will go in Geneva to see. Sorry its in French, but google can translate.

Like I said, the agreement is to deny the testers the opportunity to REALLY check if there isn't any motor and batteries in the only part that is never opened. It has already been known that the machine is symmetric all around, what is the problem of showing the bottom half if it is exactly the same as the top one?

They could instead make an agreement stating that any part of the machine that is not yet pattented should not be disclosed to anyone else, so the testing team can actually verify that it is not a scam. Instead they make a shady agreement and that right there proves that it is a scam. No wonder why they refused to test it.

Tell that member to not waste his time, Yildiz will not let him see the bottom half of the machine or do anything worthwhile to clean the scam stamp.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #248 on: March 21, 2013, 04:11:52 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #249 on: March 21, 2013, 08:13:19 AM »
Tell that member to not waste his time, Yildiz will not let him see the bottom half of the machine or do anything worthwhile to clean the scam stamp.
I feel our member a lot more positive than you. It is not correct to emit rumor without having read all existing information, and not take the offered opportunity to see yourself.
If you had read everything existing, you have known that the not open part of the machine is the part motor/generator. It is normal that his system needs a minimum speed to be an OU motor. I experienced the same thing on my own experiences. The difference is later, if the engine slows down or not after disconnecting the battery. And it is not the interesting part for OU. It is enough to disconnect the battery.
Also read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf
You should apply at least the fifth and third agreement from the five Tolthec agreements: Be septic but listen + don’t make Assumptions (http://www.toltecspirit.com/)
Have you seen the videos. Have you try to imagine the size of a battery necessary to launch the engine and continue to run this fan. Have you read all the Delft professor comments. unless you also deny this prof credibility. For that I need more technical facts from you.
I suggest that you read http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/ until the end. Example:
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That motor body will be 14 cm in diameter and about 21 cm long, and will be powering a 25 cm diameter fan. So do the math on how long it should run using any kind of known energy storage mechanism. I bet you will see two things: 1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishing, and 2) it won't be able to run for more than a few hours. So really, even one full day of demonstrating the technology running continuously should be more than enough to satisfy the scientists
But at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stopping

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From http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf
 it seems to be evident from the achieved results that the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor.

"It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom." -- Albert Einstein

What the Yildiz team has made to you that you want prejudice form them?
Me I just want to bye his 5kW motor, then I want that they accelerate the production process and not loose their time to justify them self.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 05:45:36 PM by DomiChi »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #250 on: March 22, 2013, 05:11:40 AM »
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If you had read everything existing, you have known that the not open part of the machine is the part motor/generator. It is normal that his system needs a minimum speed to be an OU motor.
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.

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Have you seen the videos. Have you try to imagine the size of a battery necessary to launch the engine and continue to run this fan.
There are very small and powerfull batteries nowadays.

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1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishing
It has already been proved in their video that the motor starts losing power.

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But at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stopping
Can't wait for that.

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What the Yildiz team has made to you that you want prejudice form them?
Nothing at all, just telling how things are, maybe interested investors or buyers (like you)
might appreciate the skeptic observations done by other people. I don't even want to know how many investors have already fall for this kind of scam before and whished they could be warned.

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"It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom." -- Albert Einstein
I can also use quotes but it won't lead anywhere, unless the intent is only to discredit someone's skepticism or beliefs.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former“ ~Albert Einstein

“But magic can sometimes just be an illusion“ ~Javan

“All scams include an enticement for someone to fall for the scam. Without an enticement, no one would fall for a scam. Many times scams are so obvious. Scams always start with an enticement of free money, free vacations, wealth, and power, but they are vague or do not mention specifically how you will get the objects of your desire. This has all the markings of a scam”
(“Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel”, Call Evil Good – The Lure Of Sweetness At No Cost)

"Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not" ~Beadle, E. R.

I really hope I am wrong, I really do but the scam history surrounding these kind of machines show a constant moto. If he has the patent pending for the so "miraculous" bottom half then he shouldn't be worried about showing it, if it is real then it will be approved, if it is not then it is a scam. I will be waiting for the other member review once geneva expo is over.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #250 on: March 22, 2013, 05:11:40 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #251 on: March 22, 2013, 09:40:05 AM »
I will stop to answer you because I do not want to help you to propagate rumor or information base on nothing.
When J. Duart says: “it seems to be evident from the achieved results that the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor.”, sorry, but I am a lot more confident to his temporary conclusion than yours. He has seen the engine and tested it. You, what have you do, apart propagate rumor?
Nederland universities ask more time to give an explanation from where the energy comes from (Zero point?), not to proof the fact that “the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor”. It is a big step that university takes into account the zero point energy. And for that I am ready to wait, it can be an enormous step for the future, like transistors in the past. Perhaps I am too much positive for you but I prefer propagate that studies are pending in this way, than rumors which can stop Universities credits. You have to look http://youtu.be/1wQ4dSKDWVc. You bad rumors are worth than you think.

When you say “Can't wait for that.”, you have to pass the patience test. In my long career I had to wait some projects during 4 years, and it was existing conventional technology. But you certainly miss this experience. If you cannot wait, perhaps can you avoid to gives wrong information. When you spray doubt, even if wrong and unfounded, this doubt will persist. 

You write
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“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former“ ~Albert Einstein
Are you not human? E.T., divinity, avatar ?

You also write
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That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor."
Do you know anything about magnetic vortex? His inner rotor is a screw which is going to create magnetic field for other layers. If you have another solution to create a rotating field than with motion, please let we know, I am very interesting.
And we will need electronic and electromagnetism to manage rotation speed. And I prefer that than a brake on shaft.
Do you also say that car engine is a SCAM? They also need to be electricly launch. But I am glad that I can use this SCAM. With a Yildiz to refill the tank it will be better and less SCAM (SCAM by taxes on carrburant).
« Last Edit: March 22, 2013, 03:31:25 PM by DomiChi »

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« Reply #252 on: March 22, 2013, 10:53:56 AM »
 :o What I am missing here is the simple proof of principle test for this Ylldiz claim. Evolved machines escape control, a simple replicable proof of principle does not. We should always depart from the most simple test possible. So where is the suggestion to set up a test to prove this right... I tried something like Yildiz my own way some time ago, but could not acquire any results. Of course I am an ignorant person in this great science, therefore I failed... but Yildiz is not I suppose, so why doesn't he take care of people willing to prove him right by replication? In order to be credible, people in support of Ylldiz should take care of this question. Saying, 'It only works in this evolved state' or 'Patent claims forbid this' outrules replications, restricts to mere outer controls of his model and makes it all magic. Nor can it tell us how he got this far.... where did he see the light of success shining in his process? Where is his research report if he wants to make some serious science? Maybe he doesn't...

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #253 on: March 22, 2013, 11:14:14 AM »
why doesn't he take care of people willing to prove him right by replication?
Why, is easy to understand. Give to somebody the way and it is him how will published and copyright the map. Look at that http://www.nuenergy.org/theoretical-self-sustaining-permanent-magnet-motor/. It is now Johnson and Minato how have put patent on another experimenter solution.
You are not allowed to sell something from a patent, but you can build one for you, if you can.
M.Yildiz has in plan to provide kit to make his motor. I will wait for that, because his conception his complex. And it is a kit that he will provide, not like Johnson motor where it is only an costly PDF. In France we have laws to protect us against non working products. And I have just to buy with my credit card to be refund if it is a SCAM. There is different levels of SCAM, yes it can work but you cannot build it yourself is also one (spécial parts, ... like in the saled Johnson PDF).
My short experience with magnetic motor is than even a very small change can make a magnetic wells which can create a non working cause. Then starting with prepare parts will limit that. But it will not be enough, if you look at the patent, M.Yildiz already suggests prefered adjustment.

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« Reply #254 on: March 22, 2013, 03:21:03 PM »
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.
Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
I you do not consider youself to be better than J. Duarte, you have to read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf. If you think that you are better, you have to say why?

 

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