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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 666731 times)

Offline Low-Q

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2010, 07:08:21 PM »
I don't think there is a hidden batery in this device. How would you look if somebody sees it ? This acrylic rig of his is quite transparent. And in overall, it would be just to lame ;]

Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low quality video on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.


The rpm is clearly slown down at the next video take. The rpm are too stable at the first few minutes of the video, also in the few minutes of the second take, to determine the process visually. It is too much noise in the background and turbulence of the blades to say exactly how much it slows down during the "stable" rpm period.
The second take was done a bit later in the session according to the clock on the wall displayed after the second video take was started. During that time, the motor had slown down enough to easily see the result with an audio spectrometer.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2010, 07:08:21 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #166 on: April 27, 2010, 07:27:49 PM »
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low  on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.

Yes, as far-out as it might seem to you, the low quality video on youtube does indeed contain enough information to strongly support the notion that the device slows down.  The three minutes of audio exhibit spectral banding on a number of overtones, each with nearly identical slopes, only during the portion of the audio which contains the sound of the machine.  A 20Hz hum in the background remains rock-solid for the duration of the clip.  It is true that compression algorithms can and do introduce all manner of artifacts into the spectrogram of an audio file, but the broad features which I cite are not compression artifacts.

As an analogy, imagine instead analyzing a JPEG file.  Sure, a zoomed-in view a few pixels across will not contain much accurate information about the details of the subject, but the full image will more-or-less faithfully reproduce the original, uncompressed source.  Similarly, a couple hundred samples of a compressed audio file may diverge from the uncompressed source audio significantly, but a broad look at the ~3.9 million 16-bit samples in the 3-minute audio clip does actually give us some useful information.  (assuming the codec does its job properly).

While I think this is very good evidence that the machine in the video slowed-down, I have not made any claim as to *why* this happened.  It's just data.  Hopefully, this data helps us to understand a little more fully what's going on in the demonstration.

Here is an annotated, JPEG-compressed image file which indicates the 20Hz hum I was talking about.  Note that even though the image has been compromised by lossy compression, and the details are a bit fuzzy, you can still read the text and see the "overall picture".  ;)

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2010, 08:18:34 PM »
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All in all, I think it's just to soon to bury this A. He's is currently doing everything he can do. He needs investors so he presents the device. He is just in the middle of the patent procedure so he cannot open the device. If he want's to make money with it he just cannot give you everything on the table. And stop talking about open source like it's the best thing to do. It isn't. Every single one of you would firstly replicate it and then go and start a production company. The inventor would remain just an inventor. Yes he will find himself in Wikipedia. Yes he will write a book, start a web page etc. But all of you know, that the only guy who makes the real money is the guy with the first production line. Why cannot it be the inventor himself? Hasn't he earned this ? And if he starts the production company - won't you buy the device ? Won't the environment get better ? It will. So give this guy a break and let him work. If he's a scum you will know that sooner or later. If you don't trust him simply don't invest. But stop blaming him of being a businessman. Sorry for offtopic.
Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!   

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2010, 08:18:34 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2010, 09:15:32 PM »
Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!

I disagree. Before the claims are sustained properly I don't think anybody should waste time on replicating it. We've been through such craziness and have met with nothing but dead-end. No way, Jose. Not again.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2010, 09:30:13 PM »
something a bit obvious:

Why the weird noise ?

If it is an all magnet motor, wouldn't it be completely silent ?

The ony way it could make such noise would be if the magnets had to move, inside it, while being attracted or repelled ... but -correct me if I am wrong- in the dismantling there is no movement on the magnets to grant that noise ? (maybe it is shown, I do not recall and I cannot look right now).

So again: if there is no moving magnet when dissasembling the motor, where does that noise come from ?? it is just too loud ...

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2010, 09:30:13 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #170 on: April 27, 2010, 10:01:03 PM »
I spoke today with Mr. Sert and another german guy,
who helped Yildiz over a year here in Germany and in Turkey
and they wanted to do real measurements,
also still with the older units,
but they said, Yildiz has scammed many people only out of their
money (huge sums) and never delivered the final proof.

During some measurement setups, always the motor broke down
and so never real measurements could be taken.

Yildiz then said, he must fly back to Turkey to repair it.

He never showed the internal parts of it to the other people
and the German guy said, that Yildiz seems not to understand it himself
and maybe he just has some friends in Turkey, who build it for him
and this is why he could not fix it in Germany and must have flown
back to Turkey.

The german guy, who I trust, cause I already know him
for quite some years, also warned any people, not to put any
money into this, without seeing the inner details of the motor,
which he also did never see, as Yildiz was also very secretive about it
all the time, although they signed NDAs.

ALso, there is a penalty order against Yildiz from
another investor who he also scammed out of his money
and if Yildiz would be again in Germany, he might be
arrested as well as Perendev !

It all surely looks like this motor has hidden batteries
which go down after a while
and this is, why Yildiz never shows the motor
running longer than 30 minutes.

Sorry to burst the bubble, but this is the way it is...
Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2010, 12:30:46 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #171 on: April 27, 2010, 11:56:47 PM »
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@Airstriker, if that's the way he'd woo investors he'd do better to start a A. Otherwise, the proper way would be to wait until he gets a patent granted and then demonstrate the device properly. The patent is his protection, isn't it? Otherwise why have a patent? Once he has a patent granted the details he's hiding now have to be fully disclosed so that the investors can see what their money is going for. If he doesn't want to disclose anything he should sell it as a trade secret and if he decides to go along that root he has no place in a university, on youtube etc. No one denies him the right to earn money (good luck with the most anti-business project) but that shouldn't be done through scams, hoaxes let alone outright fraud. Shows like the one we're witnessing smells of that rather than of a genuine, honest attempt to attract investors.
Sure he can wait. Do you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever. If you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ? He doesn't have to collect any money now. He just makes us hungry. You can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much. And I don't think he will hide something again when the patent is granted. But of course time will tell.

As for the rpm's slowing down and the "noise"... You forgot about the coils. The coils are there to controll the speed. I don't know his speed controller unit design, do you ? What if it slows down the machine periodically ? Or what if it's not a precise controller unit and it slows down the machine just a bit to much ? Or even what if it's a manual controller unit (just the shorted coils) and the device is continuously slowing down till the operator notices it and "turns off" the coils by hand ? It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a working magnet A. If it really exists, shouldn't it accelerate to the infinity (theoretically of course)? You really have to slow it down in some way. Coils and the changing load sound good for me.

As for the sound... You have magnets, you have coils - this makes a perfect sound machine ;]

All in all, this machine looks damn good for me. It just simply has all the pieces needed to make it work. Let's just hope that it doesn't have a batery as one of it's pieces ;]

And as for the statement that OU is the most anti-business stuff in the world - why ? If the production line is set it won't stop. Ever. The owner is rich. Forever. Sure - the owner and nobody else. The economy, the global order will change, collape or simply adapt to the situation. For sure they will loose. Many people will loose. War may be ahead. So yes, anti-business stuff, but not for the inventor.

Edit:
One more thing. If you want to replicate it, it won't be easy. First of all, you need those special shaped magnets - not easy to find. If you have some - tell me where to get them ;]

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #172 on: April 28, 2010, 12:22:15 AM »
If Mr. Yildiz continues as he does, he will end up soon
also in prison as Mike Brady for scamming investors.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #173 on: April 28, 2010, 12:34:19 AM »
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Do you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever.

Well, everybody wants fast money. And, by the way, it seems more than five years have passed since he has filed for a patent. Or, he's going to file periodically so that he will excuse his unwillingness to divulge details (his scam, that is) easily that way. Clever, isn't it?

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If you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ?

Easier still is to rob a bank. Why not do it if the money is to be had at any rate?

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You can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much.

I know but that doesn't change the overall ufavorable picture.

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As for the rpm's slowing down and the "noise"... You forgot about the coils. The coils are there to controll the speed. I don't know his speed controller unit design, do you ? What if it slows down the machine periodically ? Or what if it's not a precise controller unit and it slows down the machine just a bit to much ? Or even what if it's a manual controller unit (just the shorted coils) and the device is continuously slowing down till the operator notices it and "turns off" the coils by hand ? It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a working magnet A. If it really exists, shouldn't it accelerate to the infinity (theoretically of course)? You really have to slow it down in some way. Coils and the changing load sound good for me.

Slowing down or not the fact is that he never showed it working for more than half an hour. Read what Stefan posted above. Is that fact to be ignored as well because we so much want to believe what he's showing is real?

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And as for the statement that OU is the most anti-business stuff in the world - why ? If the production line is set it won't stop. Ever. The owner is rich. Forever. Sure - the owner and nobody else. The economy, the global order will change, collape or simply adapt to the situation. For sure they will loose. Many people will loose. War may be ahead. So yes, anti-business stuff, but not for the inventor.

This only applies to the initial stages of development of the technology. In the long run it's self-destructive as business and current businesses know that, they are not stupid.

As for replicating it, I already said, no way before a proper, convincing demonstration id carried out. Enough is enough.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #174 on: April 28, 2010, 02:10:13 AM »

I wonder if there more to the Perendev similarity then meets the
eye? Perhaps Mike Brady knew his time was up and so turned his
motor over to someone else to propagate the scam. It does seem
that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #175 on: April 28, 2010, 02:35:22 AM »
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It does seem that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.


Embarrassing fanfare episodes such as the "mylowvian" debacle have done much to prove the huge lack of hands on training that exists throughout the field of FE research.  The fact that the 'perendev' and Yildiz motors are so close to a solution without (apparently) breaking through, says much.  It also highlights the pressures (self induced and/or otherwise) that these emotionally invested researchers endure.  Those who have spent umpteen hours of research, and know they are close, will often try and recoup something for their loss....at the expense of others, robbing Peter to pay Paul and hoping to make up for the black eye by breaking through.  Others, jaded and broken, are down on the world enough to engage in such activities which are all too common these days.


"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".....true enough.   



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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2010, 03:13:17 AM »
He takes it apart at the end, it's just another pretty looking plastic cylinder with embedded magnets. It by definition does not work it's a scam.

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« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2010, 05:47:48 AM »

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It by definition does not work it's a scam.


So was Einstein, what else is new....


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2010, 06:20:28 AM »
Here's something to lighten the mood...

Are these two related?


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« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2010, 07:40:02 AM »

Probably not, but Leno's probably as good a pipeline as any for the successful researcher.  I'd trust him over most, as he is properly motivated toward revitalizing both Transpo and Energy sectors.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/electric/aptera-electric-car/


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