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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 649272 times)

Offline giantkiller

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2010, 08:53:51 PM »
I can see this subject is well covered...

Another one bites the dust.

Lets try clicking our heels together 3 times. Ready? And a 1 and a 2 and so on... Start the bubbles.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2010, 08:53:51 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2010, 08:54:03 PM »
The professors in Delft University are not stupid. They are not network marketing men selling amego wands.

It is ironic to see so many folks in this forum being attracted to amego wands, but not this motor.

Who are those professors? Name some. The fellow in the vid was an engineer, not a professor, as far as I understand, interested also in UFO. Some of us here in this forum are the last to be considered as enemies of OU but on the other hand there are scientific criteria which we abide by and will never sidetrack.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2010, 09:24:56 PM »
The Yildiz motor actually IS quite close to a solution.  Depending on coil geometry and placement, it's efficiency has got to be in the mid to high nineties percentage wise.  In the least, it should spark a shift in the right direction, research wise.

As Johnson, Perendev, Qin Gang, and others have long demonstrated....a veritable bee hive of field changes can be had at very little cost.



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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2010, 09:24:56 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2010, 09:29:20 PM »
So, can someone contact these people at Delft University (@Cloxxki was very good at making contacts in Holland during the times of Sjack Abeling splash) and ask them if they were allowed to inspect the motor thoroughly? I guess Yilmaz wasn't there just for the period of the video, taking off the minute it ended. Delft University is a prestigious science center and I don't think they's be happy to lose reputation so lightly by perpetrating fraud. Can someone ask what were the conditions under which Yildiz would assist a third party to replicate his device?
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2010, 09:35:37 PM »
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.

It wasn't me either   ;D

As I recall it was user: Aquarius, have not seen him around the forum lately.


As for the engine:

Untill now there seems to be more evidence that it works, then there is evidence for fraud or fake.

Beinig sceptical and causius is oké, untill more information i give him benefit of the doubt. I think it's crucial, otherwise no one dares to stand up anymore ,,,


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2010, 09:41:01 PM »
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.

I know some academics in delft, but I wouldn't contact them.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »
The Yildiz motor actually IS quite close to a solution.  Depending on coil geometry and placement, it's efficiency has got to be in the mid to high nineties percentage wise.  In the least, it should spark a shift in the right direction, research wise.

As Johnson, Perendev, Qin Gang, and others have long demonstrated....a veritable bee hive of field changes can be had at very little cost.



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If that's the case it's not OU and he should've been upfront about that when asked in the video. This is a typical behavior of a manipulator (recall Bob Kostoff recently or the Romanian guy) who finagles for his own good. That's sickening and should be stopped. Someone right there at that very meeting should have confronted him. How many times should we experience such behavior to learn better?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Offline Cloxxki

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2010, 09:50:39 PM »
I know 2 guys who graduate aerospace technology there. And one engineering.

What questions would I be asking?

It seems the device is pretty original. If the wires are to direct flux from one place to the other, this is getting eerily close to something I've been trying to get together in my brain. The double layer of all opposings, very clever. Even if it's a hoax, the guy may still be onto something. Even if he need batteries to get the output, a Nissan Leaf may triple its mileage with such an engine, who knows?
I can totally imagine a magnet motor requiring a kick-start, or a kick-pulse when getting wires into the mix.
If I were a world class scammer, I wouldn't let my secret wires be visible.

I am always surprised when people (let alone engineers) want to hold on to an axle to check power or torque. With such a small diameter, it's very hard to hold it back. 250W, that's an elite level lady cyclist. Could you hold on to a 1:1 geared axle driven by the crank shaft a fit cyclist is pushing at one-hour level intensity?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2010, 10:38:28 PM »
I'm sure we all see what is happening here. We are all full of questions and pretty much void of any real answers.

In my earlier post I basically ask: where is the data that generally is supplied when there is a demonstration of a new product? Information whose main purpose is to answer the important questions and so then enhance credibility. You don't need to be a marketing genius to know this so much as have basic respect for the people who took their time to appear at your presentation.

I can't image that video of the event was posted on the internet and no real supporting data. Which, motivates me to feel it is all a fraud. I mean if this is for real, then it is too important an event to leave so many loose ends. It doesn't make sense. It's counter intuitive.

This doesn't mean it is a fraud, just that it has major characteristics of one. Perhaps the data is available...we just haven't seen it as yet; so I'll give Mr. Yildiz the benefit of the doubt.....but just barely.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2010, 10:54:06 PM »

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This doesn't mean it is a fraud, just that it has major characteristics of one.

One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.

What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency.  His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design.  A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.

Who knows, it might be already....


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2010, 11:16:57 PM »
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.

What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency.  His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design.  A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.

Who knows, it might be already....


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These copious eddies are brakes rather than stimuli. How do breaks become driving factor?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2010, 11:16:57 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2010, 12:28:45 AM »

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These copious eddies are brakes rather than stimuli.

Tell that to the fish who use them to remain motionless in a swift stream, even darting upstream at great velocity and with little effort.  Or the Bumble Bee who sheds them with great efficiency....or even the bacterial flagellum.

The PMs that are causing the vortices need not be the ones caught up in them.  All too often, magnetic fields are summarily relegated to bipolar status, while somewhere in that huge gulf in between, exists the dynamic lever by which to pry loose one of the covers on nature's wheelwork.


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2010, 12:34:56 AM »
I found these links in the web about the inventor:

http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm


let me quote some text .... (go to the link the get the whole story)

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Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)

Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources by J.J. Duarte

This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.

The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.

The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.

etc etc.

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I cannot find anything about him claiming to be a fake / scam, but only references about him being in the "scene" with apparently revolutionary ideas and trying to make them known ....

What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...

On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!

Weird enough!


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2010, 01:01:45 AM »
Tell that to the fish who use them to remain motionless in a swift stream, even darting upstream at great velocity and with little effort.  Or the Bumble Bee who sheds them with great efficiency....or even the bacterial flagellum.

The PMs that are causing the vortices need not be the ones caught up in them.  All too often, magnetic fields are summarily relegated to bipolar status, while somewhere in that huge gulf in between, exists the dynamic lever by which to pry loose one of the covers on nature's wheelwork.


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It's not a matter as to how fish remain motionless. The problem here in this motor is where is the energy to sustain that purported stream coming from. If there's no external energy input there is no stream. If there is external energy input and stream is created the machine may or may not be OU. This, however has to be studied rigorously, not by just seeing it rotate or placing a fake wind tunnel to measure who knows what. It isn't at all obvious at this stage that the motor presented is an OU machine especially because of the suspicion that there is an undisclosed energy source inside.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2010, 01:07:33 AM »
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It's not a matter as to how fish remain motionless.


To which I reply....it's all 'relative'.


You say potato....I say, spud.  You say OU....I say UO...


Yildiz says, "pay up".


What else is new.



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