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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 649260 times)

Offline blueplanet

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2010, 06:52:25 AM »
I found these links in the web about the inventor:

http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm


let me quote some text .... (go to the link the get the whole story)

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Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)

Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources by J.J. Duarte

This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.

The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.

The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.

etc etc.

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I cannot find anything about him claiming to be a fake / scam, but only references about him being in the "scene" with apparently revolutionary ideas and trying to make them known ....

What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...

On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!

Weird enough!

Most of the attentees in the presentation have a PhD. Their PhD's were not awarded by ameego inc.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2010, 07:13:19 AM by blueplanet »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2010, 06:52:25 AM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2010, 07:01:24 AM »

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It's not rocket science.


No, but then neither is most of what passes for rocket science.

We can wax philosophical about what intellectual property speculators should and shouldn't do all day long....but when night falls, and it's nearing one stroke before midnight as we speak, man's technologies, like his words, will fail him.

A law without spirit, is void.  Just as The Spirit, without law, is also made void.


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2010, 09:10:32 AM »
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html

A person attending the presentation, from the Technical University Eindhoven, came to the EF to comment on his views.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2010, 09:10:32 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2010, 10:18:24 AM »

No, but then neither is most of what passes for rocket science.

We can wax philosophical about what intellectual property speculators should and shouldn't do all day long....but when night falls, and it's nearing one stroke before midnight as we speak, man's technologies, like his words, will fail him.

A law without spirit, is void.  Just as The Spirit, without law, is also made void.


TS

If God exists then "IT" serves nobody. don't serve a delusion of dead people.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2010, 11:18:27 AM »
I am clicking this zpewand advertisement to dead. This month, the site admin will earn lots of revenue from adsense.

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« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2010, 11:18:27 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2010, 11:42:10 AM »
be sure to get a new ip everytime otherwise only one click counts (i'd guess as that's normal procedure)

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2010, 12:03:20 PM »
as an Atheist, I consider you a fool of your own belief system for you can't be anymore a fool than a fool than you already are. there will be no God that comes to your attention.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2010, 12:52:11 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2010, 01:19:20 PM »
Hey guys,

I am surprised how you guys are wasting such a lot of energy on futile discussions whether this is genuine or not.

The only constructive at this point is to accept this as genuine, and start looking for possible explanations
regarding the magnet configurations shown on the dismantled stator pieces that are displayed in the video.

Am I the only one that find an interesting similarity with some magnet configurations on the stator pieces
and a Halbach array?

Gwandau

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2010, 01:19:20 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2010, 03:10:10 PM »
Hey guys,

I am surprised how you guys are wasting such a lot of energy on futile discussions whether this is genuine or not.

The only constructive at this point is to accept this as genuine, and start looking for possible explanations
regarding the magnet configurations shown on the dismantled stator pieces that are displayed in the video.

Am I the only one that find an interesting similarity with some magnet configurations on the stator pieces
and a Halbach array?

Gwandau

What really has to be done now is to have it independently replicated by as many people as possible. Nothing less than that will legitimize it in the eyes of society. If the constructor wants to speed that process up he should divulge details about magnet configuration to avoid the guessing game. Otherwise, search for a proper magnet configuration has been going on for some time among all those interested in such project so that isn't overlooked at all.

And, also, this zero point energy crap should be ignored. Physically, there's no such thing as zaro point energy. That's an unresolved problem in quantum mechanics which has to be dealt with in order to improve quantum mechanics and not a real physical effect. How excess energy is produced in such devices is already known -- a construction is found turning the device in aOU one which allows for spontaneous displacement under the action of a conservative force or forces. Thus, what needs to be done is to establish what the principles of a working construction should be and people such as Yildiz may help in shortening the process or search for such construction, is his device indeed does what is claimed.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2010, 04:42:35 PM »
Stefan, regarding your concern about the wires seen in the front of the motor, I'm sure you read this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html#post92632 :

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... the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.

Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.

I think that's plausible, although it reminds me of Bob Kostoff claiming that without brakes his machine will accelerate so much that it will destroy itself. Later, however, we saw what Bob Kostoff was up to and it was a great disappointment. Unless this is a part of a more complicated game (no one knows what to expect in this controversial OU area of research). Who knows what the real story behind Perendev is as well. I wonder if you recall a couple years ago a fellow from Kazakhstan was inviting me to visit him and see for myself three motors they purchased from Perendev working in his factory just as expected?


P.S. @Cloxxki and @Cherryman, thanks for the links.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2010, 04:42:35 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2010, 04:55:17 PM »
Stefan, regarding your concern about the wires seen in the front of the motor, I'm sure you read this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html#post92632 :

I think that's plausible, although it reminds me of Bob Kostoff claiming that without brakes his machine will accelerate so much that it will destroy itself. Later, however, we saw what Bob Kostoff was up to and it was a great disappointment. Unless this is a part of a more complicated game (no one knows what to expect in this controversial OU area of research). Who knows what the real story behind Perendev is as well. I wonder if you recall a couple years ago a fellow from Kazakhstan was inviting me to visit him and see for myself three motors they purchased from Perendev working in his factory just as expected?


P.S. @Cloxxki and @Cherryman, thanks for the links.
I think that if a magnet motor works, there is no back EMF in permanent magnets, and the motor will probably continue to accelerate - litterally infinitely. However, the metal plating around the neo-magnets will eventually provide some eddy currents that finally will stop the motor from accelerating - at very high rmp I guess.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2010, 05:07:25 PM »
He means a coil and current induced in it by the spinning magnets, in addition to the permanent magnets. Obviously, although eddy currents also act as a brake, they are not enough and he resorted to putting an additional pick-up coil (its current is also an output from the device, obviously). So far, all seems quite plausible.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2010, 05:27:28 PM »
[ author= link=topic=8870.msg238724#msg238724 date=1272035245]
He means a coil and current induced in it by the spinning , in addition to the permanent magnets. Obviously, although eddy currents also act as a brake, they are not enough and he resorted to putting an additional pick-up coil (its current is also an output from the device, obviously). So far, all seems quite plausible.
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It is true, the coils are there to prevent the machine from accelerating into chaos.
Anybody planning for a replication yet? The basic principle of the motor can be tested. It seems to be serious business with this one.

See also: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2010, 08:00:54 PM »
From: yeron

test results and hamering etc
Hello Gyula

First Dick Korf has travelled around a bit to meet inventors and helping to get the message out and implement working divices.
It is not the first time for him to see a device working.
As i heard from him he is a bit frustrated as he invested and not see the devices in the open market.
There are working prototypes but to market them and get them out there seems to be very difficult.
He does not give up and neither do I .
We are going with the flow and time will tell .

""Did it turn out what his intentions with the invention are? Wants to look for manufacturers or wants to sell it?""

As far as i know mr Yildiz is in for the invention itself .
Of course he invested in time and money and to get the investment back hee needs to think commercial to go on .
There are people out there (on this meeting too) that are willing to sponsor him and with the help of well willing people with money who believe in this invention it can be developt further.

If mr yildiz is scamming he does a good job in presenting a hoax.
If that would be the case he would be digging its own grave by getting into debt with the sponsors.
Also there would be no reason to do so as he went the whole 10 yards in getting where he is now.
The time and attention of the people at the technical university''s (TUD/TUE)
is seriously invested into the phenomena as shown by mr Yildiz.
These people have build , tested ,researched and develop t very complex machines .(you can find these on the tud/tue sites )
They are well educated people unlikely to be stupid enough to fall into a hoax or a commercial scam.

So for mr yildiz to sell the patent to a big company could be an option .
It is his invention so he can do anything with it he likes.
But with all the well willing people helping him i do not think that he will do that .

i hope that is a good answer to your question.

""Also, was it mentioned how long the motor worked already for the longest time? Days, months?""

The demonstration was too short i would like to see a test run for days!!
The torque on the axis :
I have put on a glove and tried to stop the rotation
It slowed down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis.
It seems that the machine looses power as the rpm goes down .

The hammering :
I saw him activate and deactivate the machine by tapping a rod inside a brass part behind the motor.
To start he hammers the rod one way an fixates the rod by tensioning the brass holder.
To stop he frees the rod by reversing the step above and tapping the rod with a hammer in the original position and fixates it again.
The camera position was a bit clumsy you could not see that.
So was the action of putting a glass bottle to close to the fast spinning fan blades and hitting it.
I send out a mail to point out that a bit more professional demo would be a good idea.
More data on torque, time ,energy output etc .

I would like to post a video of the actual start stopping action in more detail .
I saw the person who filmed the youtube video standing with the camera at the right angle .
So he has the footage of it also.
He did not edit it in the present youtube video !
As i respect the reason for that i will not post the footage of the mechanism for now.
The whole patent must be completed first to protect the invention.

I will post again when i have more information.


Greetings

Jeroen



From: yeron

Hello Again.

Nice to see that this thread is alive.

To answer the question (gyula):

''Have you noticed some pieces of wire can be seen on the front part of the motor body, behind the ventillator blades, do you know why are they needed? Perhaps this was asked during the demonstration?''

Yes we did and the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.

Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.

Lets get back to the no saying principle for a moment.
To be sceptic is healthy.
Even I am confronted with the fact that i have learned that what i see is impossible so it must be a fake .
That is what my mind tells me at that moment .
For me it is important to look at my own thought's, being aware that i react in that way.
Therefore I learn something about myself and the way i am dealing with these things get more clear.

Even when it turns out as a hoaxs i am training myself by vissiting these meetings an look at what is presented an studying the phenomena.
The next time with an other principle ore invention i will be more experienced in sniffing out a hoax .

The gain is learning ,i am eager to learn about these things.

In the case of Yildiz .
It is a pretty darn weird machine and it does something.
if there are batteries hidden or a set of magnets that wear out and have to be energised again afterwards it is still a interesting machine.

But !!!!!!
The people i am in contact with and thy are involved from day one with
mr Muammer Yildiz are well educated realistic thinking people within the settled mainstream science community.
Even mr Duarte from the TUE emphasises that there are no batteries in a bit frustrated way.
The spectators are human an will fall in to disbelief because of the nature of there mind .

To put energy into disbelief will close our ability to learn and evolve .

As humans are creative beings we will create new and mind blowing technology.

Just take look at our history in the last two Centuries.
Nicola tesla was a crackpot too .
But we do have ac power because of him.

Not to speak of how the piramids were build thousends of years ago.
We are not able to replicate these even if we have gps and laser cutting tools,big machines etc at this time.
But they are there !!!
We can 't say that it can not be done, because it is done.
Even if we do not know how its done.

It is time for A next step.

Jeroen

 

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