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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 647736 times)

Offline markdansie

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #735 on: May 04, 2013, 01:18:11 AM »
@domichi.if you realy want to experiment with karpen-type everlasting cell then you will need sheet of silver metal and nickel metal or sheet of iron metal and silver metal.the electrolyte is caustic soda solution.you can experiment to build a large pile series of these cells until you get large voltage/capacitance for a single l.e.d. or neon bulb.if you want to continuous power a single 1.5volt l.e.d. you will need to get voltage of cell up to about 8volts in series pile because of voltage drop of discharge curve.


1. So what is the mass loss (weight) to power output. Given the size of the cell you will probably need a set of scales accurate to 4 digits of a gram.
2. What is the longest time you have run?
3. What is the mass to power out put and how does this compare?


4. what is the cost of materials vs power output?


All important questions
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #735 on: May 04, 2013, 01:18:11 AM »

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« Reply #736 on: May 04, 2013, 03:59:09 AM »
@markdansie..1)zero mass loss of electrode material if this is what you mean.zero correlation of coulomb passage through cell and dissolution of electrodes.2)many months of repeated shorting for few days followed by and measurement of voltage/current/time,always the same(sometimes higher or lower by 1 or 2 decimal points due to ambient temp fluctuation).3)depends on surface area of electrodes.ive seen a 3miliamp/1volt/second/for a few secs capacitance on a 1cm2 paperthin pair electrodes.im imagining what foam electrodes would do.4)depends on answer number 3 but its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:

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« Reply #737 on: May 04, 2013, 08:33:23 AM »
its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:
In France Silver is not cheap, and I do not know if I can get sheet of it.
And if We have to change electrolythe it is no more everlasting. I can do the same with a car battery.
From the links that google gives me for karpen-type battery, It was not thin paper.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #737 on: May 04, 2013, 08:33:23 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #738 on: May 04, 2013, 11:27:53 AM »
@domichi..scrap jewelry silver is about 4rands(0.4dollars u.s.)/gram here,quite cheap but you can also use nickel and iron pair instead of silver,but you must 1st etch nickel and iron in hydrochloric acid for few minutes until surface area rough,then rinse under tap THOROUGHLY,then soak in caustic soda solution overnight BEFORE you start measuring voltage because iron and nickel must passivate properly 1st.zero replacement of electrolyte is needed when cell is tight-sealed.you,l get about 0.3volt from passivated single cell.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #739 on: May 04, 2013, 11:55:26 AM »
Glad to see constructive discussion has returned here.  ???
War-rhetoric has dominated this thread in too many pages. It's really a shame what both sides posted. Near to catastrophic those accusations. Such accusations and prejudices and other-country-hatings precede real wars.  >:(To a certain degree not even in comments to muslim blogs you find such anti-americanism/francism (eh, how to call that ::)).

@profitis: Is your research related to fuel electrolysis? Not that I think 2nd law is not definitely once and for ever unbreakable.

Do you know of these new kinds of energy storage? Cooled air - Aquion energy batteries - liquid heavy molten battery electrodes or Zinc-Air-fuel cells?

There is so much promising technology. And then one has to wonder if your way with relying on big companies to promote technology and innovation, no rather breakthroughs, isn't hindering progress because if there is no need for this technology and the companies get around without publishing or creating products of it -- then why not keep it for later centuries? Life-garant for companies?

Open source is the way that changes the world - and gives access for developing countries at same time -- not to talk of the benefit for peace as from chinese to irish and mexicans all try to drive this forward ... without open source we even had to pay for forum discussions .. omg.  :o

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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« Reply #740 on: May 04, 2013, 11:58:26 AM »
@profitis:
Thanks
I think I will continue with old paradigm centralize power generation it is easier.
If I do not succeed with my magnet motor I will use solar panels. Despite their performance by 20% and their physical fragility, solar Pannels remain a safe bet.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #741 on: May 04, 2013, 12:13:19 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #742 on: May 04, 2013, 01:25:51 PM »
@markdansie...let me give you an idea of the passivity of these karpen-type electrodes,for example,both gold and platinum have electrochemical potentials HIGHER than all air or ions or solvent that surrounds them and should not react at all according to textbooks,and they dont.i know exactly how this system does work though but i dont want to say anything here but if someone wants to realy know the info is available on the net,they just have to spot it out of all the riff-raf theories,ironicly its totaly complient with todays textbooks.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #743 on: May 04, 2013, 01:55:15 PM »
@domichi..yes these examples of cells will be a waste of time,very small power,look at size of karpen,s own pile for that motor.there are rumours that it had military application though,probably for tracking or electrical fuze.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #744 on: May 04, 2013, 05:12:03 PM »
Some stuff on Yiltitz if you scroll down the page a little


http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84
It is more on Sterling Allen than on Yildiz.

I was in Geneva, then the Sterling Allen article is not what will direct my opinion. What is bad now, and I will no defend, is the Yildiz commercial proposal. If you are a DIY man, I let you try a Masserati, I sell you the paln for a simpler motorized wheelbarrow, and you will have to pay for all the Ferrari that you sell. And during this time industrial can sell Masserati as they have the good plan. If his motor cannot be done in DIY, its is better to say, or sells parts KIT (It was the original intent).

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #745 on: May 04, 2013, 07:51:53 PM »
Sterling just posted a follow-up article about his trip to Geneva on his we site.  Nowadays there is no guarantee that your posting will be approved by the censors so I am also copying my posting here:

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Sterling the whole thing was like some kind of "dance of the absurd."  The Yildiz team will never do a definitive demo because it would fail and expose them as frauds.  They play the "uncertainty game" in exactly the same way John Rohner used to play it.

It would have been so ridiculously easy for them to hook the motor to a generator and drive a 1000-watt resistive load, like a space heater.  There is no reason in the world for them to not have done that.  However, that nonsensical "magnet motor" clearly would never have been able to output significant amounts of power for one minute, much less five days straight.

You have been fed a string of lies by these people to give them some airtime on your website, nothing more than that.  Sadly, the whole thing was a complete farce.

Mark my words, you will never see a working Yildiz "all magnet motor" in your lifetime.  This is just a "never-ending uncertainty con" in the hopes of attracting gullible people with lots of cash to spare.
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #746 on: May 05, 2013, 05:56:48 AM »
Sterling just posted a follow-up article about his trip to Geneva on his we site. 
MileHigh

In casting your vote of "Dance of the Absurd", remember that in the poll so far, there is a healthy portion of people who are "certain of it", going even beyond my level of confidence, which is "very likely".

I'd be curious to know what causes them to have this level of confidence.

52 votes say "certain of it." That's not an unsubstantial number. 56 vote with me "very likely". 52 say "maybe".

The "definitely not" portion has lost 9 percent to the "probably not" votes in the last month.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #747 on: May 05, 2013, 08:38:47 AM »
Sterling:

Polls are a real issue in journalism in general.  When pollsters ask people questions, the first question should be "Do you feel you are qualified to answer the question?" about whatever subject matter is at hand.  Pollsters have become totally irresponsible and they ask people questions that they know ahead of time the vast majority of people are not capable of answering.  A example from pop culture might be, "What do you think was Madonna's best tour?"  How many people do you think have seen all of Madonna's tours over the past 30 years?  Questions like that are silly.

For your poll, we can assume that the vast majority of people have followed the saga and they are informed of the facts.  We also know that Yildiz did not deliver at all on what he said that he would deliver, and there was no evidence that he demoed anything that could rule out batteries.  You yourself have been dealing with the issues in a more realistic fashion, and you also were keenly aware of the battery issue.

Going back to polls, a scientific poll is supposed to be from a representative sample of the general population.  Also, normally the sample size is just over a thousand people and the statistical analysis for that sample size states that the results will be within +/- 3% 19 times out of 20.  (I am pulling this from memory, my figures would have to be double checked.)

If in theory you had more than 1000 people from the general population that followed the Yildiz story, and polled them, I can guarantee you that the results would be drastically different.

Anyway, this is all academic.  You know where the burden of proof lies.

I can give you one example that causes lots of frustration for your readership.  The fan loading issue.  They claimed 380 watts and that was a ridiculous lie.  Other people see you not challenge these claims and they conclude that they can get away with all sorts of similar shenanigans when you interview them for a story.  You know the old cliche, "He built a free energy machine and had it working for several months.  Then he decided to take it apart for parts to build the next version and he can't get it going anymore and he needs to focus on 'tuning' for a few more months before his next demo."  I read that and I say to myself it's a lie, he never had a free energy machine that he took apart.  I simply don't believe it.  In your case, you publish that as a story.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #748 on: May 05, 2013, 11:40:54 AM »
@sterlinga..you are doing a fantastic job sir,keep up the good work,truly an inspiration to hundreds thousands.keep an eye on south africa for the next big thing,and no,it wont be another motor.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #749 on: May 05, 2013, 12:43:43 PM »
Hi Sterling
you should check out the revolution-green website. They have started to run a series of articles about your folly in magnetic motiors. The first of four have been published.
The web-site was started as there is a loss in confidence in your ethics and abilities. To quote:
One of the underlying motives in creating this site was to provide an alternative archive of information regarding clean energy to the well known[/font][/size]PESN.com[/color][/size] (see also: [/font][/size]Peswiki.com[/color][/size]). Revolution-Green.com’s editors and a lot of our readers have been disappointed in the recent direction that Sterling Allen, the sole moderator of PESN.com has taken. We became frustrated and decided to do something about it. With a team of knowledgeable and talented writers, we intend to fill an archive of [/font][/size]energy[/color][/size] research coverage that will in the near future rival the vast archive that our now competitor PESN.com has collected since 2001[/font][/size]

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Also one of many comments from readers[/font][/size]


"I personally don’t believe that Sterling’s motives are impure. But I definitely know he has become willfully ignorant of the obvious, consumed by the limelight and blind to his own fate because of it. It’s sad that this article series ever had to be written but the history of PESN is indisputable, the destination inevitable.
I feel badly for Sterling. The winds of change are coming and his house of cards will be no more."[/size][/color]

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So Kind regards as usual, this is one of many initiatives to bring some credibility to the industry. Your readers have already started to vote with their wallets, soon you will be competing with this and many other sites now under construction.  

 

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