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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 671131 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #315 on: April 11, 2013, 04:59:21 PM »
yes @tinselkoala but if we just had a infrared snapshot of the whole device we could tell if a battery is embedded in the motor because it would show up as a hotter part of the image where the bats are located.if it showed the case of the motor as cooler than ambient then i would tend to rule out batteries and start to think in terms of a 2nd law violation.
I have nothing against data; the more the merrier. I think there's a lot of thermal mass in that thing, though, and you might not be able to pick up a battery's heat through all that stuff. X-rays, CAT scan, backscatter, there are lots of ways but do you seriously think Yildiz would permit anyone to use them?

I am reminded of the fancy thermal imagery from the Steorn Waterways demonstration. Yep, sure enough looky there, the coils are hotter than the rest of the thing. They must be because the imagery shows them in different colors. And that is all that is ever heard about thermal imagery. No calibration data, no comparisons, nothing. Thousands of dollars worth of kit, for a few seconds of colored pictures that make people nod their heads sagely, stroke their beards and glance furtively at each other.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #315 on: April 11, 2013, 04:59:21 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #316 on: April 11, 2013, 05:03:26 PM »
Can you give the link to where that can be seen? I can't stand to watch any more of those fracking ads looking for it. This is the most boring demo ever.

Reads 2037 r.p.m. from the back of the shaft 1:10 into the video: This shows where he's taking his tach reading from.
 
 
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #317 on: April 11, 2013, 05:13:43 PM »
OK Thx.
The online calc gives 22.2 Watts for the APC Sport 16x10 at 2037 rpm and the default air data.

Six candy bars.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #317 on: April 11, 2013, 05:13:43 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #318 on: April 11, 2013, 05:36:42 PM »
Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva is not functioning right. I know something would happen to 'disturb' the 5 day continous running. This validation is not going to happen. The list of fraudy FE inventors will become longer by Yildiz contribution. Do we have to go on with giving attention to his 'invention'? I did know something was going wrong with this.

@ Bertoa, I can't but agree. It all smells funny. Below is an excert from Sterling Allans report made yesterday in Geneva:
 
"This morning, when Mr. Yildiz went to start the motor at around 10:05 am, shortly after the conference opened, it didn't start. He pulled it into a closet at their booth for about 20 minutes, then emerged. Then he started it by the way you've seen on the web.

The motor ran from 10:28 am to 2:50 pm GMT, nearly 4.5 hours.

It started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.

Then, a magnet was "loose", and the motor began to slow. Then, he said that the magnet alignment malfunction began to cascade so that 3 were out of line. By 2:21, the speed was 2064. A noise could be heard from the motor, so he turned it off.

Then, at 3:10 pm, he turned it on again, and it went to 1930 rpm, then began dropping rapidly
1734 rpm at 3:12
1522 at 3:15
He stopped it at 3:16 pm

The temperature was around 23 degrees on the front and back bearings, just 1 degree C above room temp: 22 C

So presently, the motor is off.

He plans to work on it this evening, then run it again tomorrow, hopefully all day (and hopefully through the night too). "
 
Regarding the eddy fields and heat production expected to be present when moving magnets within a aluminum body such as the Muammer Yildiz motor,
there was no excess heat detected.  But there was something else that Sterling Allan noticed, something quite peculiar:
 
"Also, yesterday, Yildiz demonstrated an effect in which copper coins (which normally are not attracted to magnets) stuck to the outside of the magnet motor, while silver-colored coins (which normally are attracted to magnets) drop off the outside of the same motor body -- the opposite of what you would expect. This illustrates that there is something very unusual going on."
 
Now, I really would like to know if Sterling A had the possibility verify the copper colored coins to actually be made of copper, since if they were, we are here confronted with hitherto unknown effects. It openly violates contemporary scientific knowledge, copper just do not stick to aluminum, no matter what's going on inside.
 
This last observation about copper coins sticking to aluminum makes everything become uncertain again.
 
Is this little strange man genuine, or not? 
 
Gwandau

 
 

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #319 on: April 11, 2013, 05:49:07 PM »
Gwandau
latest on the coins
all is as it should be no nonferrous attraction!  I think the "Sterlinga" said this today,and added that it was all magnetic and good news !!


@Tinsel
Can I get Chocolate Chip cookies instead of Candy bars? [whats the swap rate on those?]


thx
Chet

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #319 on: April 11, 2013, 05:49:07 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #320 on: April 11, 2013, 06:27:26 PM »
Gwandau:

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It started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.

That whole story is consistent with a battery.  We know that a battery's voltage trypically increases after it has been driving a load for a while, hence the increase in RPM.  We also can expect that if it was a true free energy device, we might expect to see a constant RPM.  However, it's possible that as the bearings warm up the friction might go down which could explain the increase in RPM also.  I still think it's because of a battery voltage increase.

In the latter part of the description is looks like Yildiz was sleeping at the wheel.  I can only speculate that he didn't check or was unaware that his batteries were near the end of their charge-discharge life-cycle and could not power the motor for one full day.   Hence the disaster.

I will repeat that the claim that the fan load on the motor would be 380 watts is a bold-faced lie.  I don't buy the reference that Synchro made that he read about a "bigger motor with a larger fan" that could not be transported or get across the border.  There has never been any discussion of a "bigger motor" before.

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The stuff about the coins is just a silly distraction and Sterling is falling for it hook, line, and sinker.  There wasn't even a regular magnet nearby to compare with.  Also, the effect could be related to AC magnetic fields.  Not to mention the unknown metal mixture in the coins themselves.  The sad thing is that Sterling apparently believes that this is an "out of the ordinary effect."

Unfortunately we are left with this uncertain spectacle, and we can expect that for the next few days that Sterling will be a team player never seriously questioning all these problems with the people that are responsible for them.

Think of Sterling visiting South Africa and seeing a motor-generator contraption for 20 minutes and stating that he was "convinced."  Similar stories for his visits to Steorn and Inteligentry.  I can understand him not wanting to be confrontational with the people that he has to spend the next few days with, but just the same he could express his profound disappointment and then when he gets back home write an honest review of what transpired and then turn the page on Yildiz.   But that's just my take on it.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #321 on: April 11, 2013, 06:31:26 PM »
Well, considering the best estimates for power dissipation (46 Watts at 2600 RPM, 23 at 2000 RPM, roughly) and the times, and the battery volumes necessary to store the energy, and the taken-apart motor at one of the previous demos immediately after running, I'd say that it is still not quite possible to rule _out_ a set of batteries concealed inside the motor itself. Barely. Six 3-musketeers bars or so of volume, minumum .... and we have to recall that he's been demoing this motor for years, so no bleeding-edge tech batteries in there, probably.... Of course also we don't know that the guts of the thing are the same as what was disassembled, although on the outside it looks the same pretty much.
So it boils down to runtime and RPM. We aren't going to find out how long it will run, because of the breakdown and the logical impossibility of taking the thing apart, replacing magnets and cleaning it and reassembling it before the demo is over.... even though he took it mostly apart in under ten minutes in that demo before. And there could just as easily be two reflective spots on the rear of the shaft, as one.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #322 on: April 11, 2013, 07:36:08 PM »
@gwandau.the temperature of the bearings on the motor was 1degree celcius above room temp?are they measuring the temp while the motor runs?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #323 on: April 11, 2013, 07:46:17 PM »
@tinselkoala ya it would be messy with infrared but at least we may be able to deduce if the motor body is generaly cooler or hotter than ambient.now gwandau claims they did in fact measure the temp at 23degrees c.if this is correct then i doubt that batteries are powering it as the chemical reactions should shoot the temp at least 5degrees celcius up above ambient 

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #324 on: April 11, 2013, 08:22:41 PM »
also i noticed that stirling says that the only way to stop the motor is by clutching the shaft with your gloved hand,is this consistant with battery powered motors?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #325 on: April 11, 2013, 08:30:12 PM »
also a one professori 'duarte' testifies that he saw inside the motor(he was allowed to take a glimpse)and says he saw,and i quote 'no batteries in there'.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #326 on: April 11, 2013, 08:38:20 PM »
Hi TK
there is also some other possibilities.
1. A wind up spring lol (with enough tension anything is possible)
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
3.  That many of the magnets are batteries in disguise (rather cool)
Of course there is the question of the mysterious controller Box
For the record I have been calling this one fraud for years, and one of the main reasons I have been banned of free energy news.
I have never seen any magnetic motors running self looped, or any other device that could sustain itself long enough to discount other energy sources.
I do enjoy your posts (despite your low opinion of me)
Kind Regards
Mark (Thailand at the moment)



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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #328 on: April 11, 2013, 10:08:36 PM »
hey markdansie,whats happening in thailand mate.another yildiz?better one perhaps?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #329 on: April 11, 2013, 11:35:04 PM »
Mark:

I know that you are not an electronics guy so I am going to comment on one of your points, please don't take offense.

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2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)

That statement really doesn't make any sense at all, from a conventional perspective or from any other perspective that you want to take.  The notion of "draining" energy from magnets akin to draining energy from batteries is ridiculous.

So, you might want to keep that in mind and not use it as a "talking point."  It's really a negative doozie to say that and could cause uncomfortable pregnant pauses!

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