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Author Topic: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor  (Read 688795 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #225 on: January 05, 2011, 04:34:55 PM »

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #226 on: January 28, 2011, 12:50:42 PM »
Simple question:

"How many kinds of metals have been used to build this engine, and what are these metals."
  ??? ::)

PS. Sorry for that simple question, but I don't have time now to search this info, and I am sure that somebody from you knows.

Many thanks for answer :)

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #227 on: February 03, 2011, 09:27:41 AM »
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.

If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.

waiting ... and luck yet?

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #227 on: February 03, 2011, 09:27:41 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #228 on: May 18, 2011, 10:22:37 PM »
Yip I hae seen dozens of perminant magnet motors and they dont seem to hold ground.
A magnet only motor i dont think wil work but with shielding it may be possible.

I personally love magnets and hope we can have a working prototype someday and I believe the only way to
get rid of the sceptics is shoe your work to all and replicate sont try and make money out of it.

D

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30 day university test of the Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor very soon
« Reply #229 on: January 06, 2013, 01:36:32 AM »
New European university 30 day test of the Yildiz magnet motor coming very soon.


http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/


Quick analysis of the Yildiz magnet motor based on his patent diagram page 72:

The radially unbalanced "squeeze" effect.

The outermost ring of magnets have S pole facing inwards against the middle ring of magnets S pole such that this "hyper-repulsion" results in the flux of N pole of the middle ring of magnets extending even further towards the innermost rotor of magnets.  The increases the repulsion effect (but typically also takes a toll on common magnets "strength" or coercivity).

Based on this design it would not be possible to use ceramic magnets, only rare earth magnets could withstand this type of punishment for long.

Orientation or angle: Notice that each of the middle ring of magnets is "cocked" slightly so that a zone exists with effecively greater distance from the innermost rotor magnets (I colored yellow).

As we know, for dipole magnets this close and with an aspect ratio this symmetrical - - - the amount of flux present is calculated as the inverse cube of the distance, and in this case, the overall combined effect of this inverse cube of the distance is huge.

Distance G3 is larger than distance G1.

The rotor magnets are desperately seeking a way out from the repulsion and as the rotor turns they each find a nanosecond relief in that little yellow "drop off the cliff" (distance G3) they find in each magnet segment of the middle ring of magnets.

Because there are air gaps between magnet segments I am curious about detrimental flux leakage sneaking through the air gaps robbing the device of overall efficiency.

Not shown by the diagram, but in a real life device I would suggest there is substantial importance in the exact positioning of the S poles of the outermost ring of magnets with regard to the middle ring of magnets.

I predict that it would not be wise to position the S pole of the outermost ring of magnets so it is predominately pointing into an air gap, and that there is an importance on whether the S facing poles are placed facing predominately on the right side  - - - or the left side - - - of each of the middle magnet S poles.


Depending on the distances between each ring of magnets:

1) Assembly requires skill and special jigs: For example, it could be "very" difficult to insert the rotor into the finished motor assembly.

2) In this type design, the degree of "squeezing" based on the distances between the various rings of magnets is proportional to the amount of rotational energy extracted, and is proportional to the strain put on the magnets which causes them to loose a portion of their "strength" or coercivity.

If I was a university researcher asked to evaluate this design I would be very keen on testing it's long term stability - - or "drop off" in performance under load over a long period of time.

Mr. Yildiz claims over 40 to 46 working designs.

What if he submits a very "de-tuned" version for university testing but then markets a very "hot" design that has a much shorter lifespan ?


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30 day university test of the Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor very soon
« Reply #229 on: January 06, 2013, 01:36:32 AM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #230 on: January 06, 2013, 03:47:29 AM »
Expect again some non conclusive data...

Yilmiz has a long bad track record...

Don´t invest any money !


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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #231 on: January 06, 2013, 07:42:58 AM »
Hi Sarbot99,

Welcome to the forum.

I don't know much about Yildiz's motor but on the building aspect it's getting easier to verify these models. With 3D printing you can get proper angles and curves made. If you want a specific 22.25 degree curve at certain point you can make it. If you have the blueprints it could be built fast.

I attached a picture of my non functioning 3D model based on Japanese magnet motor patent(long outside magnets are removed in picture). It looked interesting the way it used attraction/repulsion to pull/push from pole to pole with offset magnets but I could not get this print to work. Magnets are still static and like to find balance. The Lego's are there so I don't have to build extra support structures when rapid prototyping. It took less than four hours to model/print/build this design.

It does spin better without the magnets. :)

Build and learn.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #232 on: January 06, 2013, 03:57:11 PM »
To avoid severe "cogging" I think you will find that the two magnet counts must be "relatively prime"..... that is, like the second sketch with 8 magnets outside but 7 magnets inside, no common factors. The first sketch with 8 and 8 will likely "lock up" hard.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #233 on: January 06, 2013, 04:39:23 PM »
Expect again some non conclusive data...

Yilmiz has a long bad track record...

Don´t invest any money !


I've heard a lot of folks say this same thing about a long bad track record, but I cannot find any specific details when I search the internet.

Would you be kind enough to post some specific links that I can read about this guys track record ?


Although there is a lot of discussion about Yildiz motor really working or not, for myself I cannot believe the assertion of this Dutch Assistant professor that the huge masses of aluminum interacting with these large neo magnets do not produce any eddy currents - - this is totally lunacy.  I have experienced serious eddy current braking from much smaller aluminum mass and neo magnets.

But again, I am curious why Yildiz would submit his device to 30 days test if it would likely be exposed as a scam ? Supposedly he has 5 of the 12 stator sectors as "blackbox" - - not revealed in patent docs, remaining 7 stator sectors are magnets (hopefully these professors are clever enough to put it under constant serious load for all 30 days and also X-ray it from all angles).

Certainly the deal must include full examination of the "black box" stator sectors - - as these are the most obvious components where batteries or other cheats could be placed  . . . as I understand potential investors have insisted on this examination and I'm sure they will never except the "blackbox" portion not being fully revealed.


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #233 on: January 06, 2013, 04:39:23 PM »
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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #234 on: January 07, 2013, 09:52:54 PM »
Hi TinselKoala,

Thank you for your input. The model was based off the second one 8/7. The outside magnets were long 1.5" to try to minimize the influence of the south pole. Still no dice.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #235 on: January 08, 2013, 02:10:21 PM »
Why was the simpler, shorter test postponed, with the assertion that this longer test would be taking place "soon"? Where did the information that there was to be this longer test come from? Did it come from the University which will be doing the testing, or from Yildiz?
What University will be doing the testing? Has anyone asked them if they know anything about it?

Don't you remember Rossi and the U of Bologna? I seriously doubt that there will be any university-sponsored or approved 30 day testing performed with a Yildiz device.

Further.... if there are actually in existence all those "working" prototypes..... what is the point of this promised future test? Just take 5 or ten of these prototypes and set them up in glass cases in a shopping mall somewhere and let them run for a few days. Or better yet..... let Yildiz show proof that Yildiz's home is not connected to the local electric grid, but is powered by a generator spun by one of his devices.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #236 on: March 04, 2013, 01:19:49 PM »
1 - Not once he opens the bottom half of the machine in a live audience ( or any other public video that I could find ), which has more than enough space to conceal an electric motor and batteries, even though he claims to have a pending patent ( for how long now? ) which would not be any obstacle to show the complete motor disassambled in public.
2 - According to the pictures in his website, the machine is based on a spiral orientation ( http://www.bsmhturk.com/galeri.php ) which we all know by now that never works and some of the pictures really resemble the perendev motor.
3 - In each video, where the machine has a long running time, you can detect a power runout by comparing the sound at start and at the end of its running time, you don't even need any special programs, your ears will do just fine ( 3:12 | 6:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU ).
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially? Since it starts with such a tremendous force and speed from start why does it loose power overtime? Don't quote his word on the "pickup coils" that regulate rpm, any normal electric engineer knows that those are useless without a electronic controller to regulate it accordingly.
5 - Not once his machine is recorded live without the fan attached to the main shaft, this is a great way to suppress the electric motor noise.
6 - The "tests" that were suppose to occur during last January are still yet to see daylight or even make "big news" in the media world.
7 - This whole theater resembles a lot a very late scheme, if you all remember this previous "legit" inventor aswell as I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amb08N05_Ww


It's simple, got a pending patent and it really is a legit OU invention? Then you have nothing to hide, not even half of the machine. If you do hide then you are yelling "scheme" all over the place.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #237 on: March 05, 2013, 04:50:29 AM »
I've been following this in Pesn, and the announcement in Nexus for the January tests was followed by a string of emails from his assistant making little niggles about the delays and announcement the parts were now on their way to the anonymous university. Then I waited, and waited, and instead of a message about their arrival (they were being sent in separate bits to stop them being intercepted and stolen in full) they've now changed tack saying they've been invited to take it to the Geneva exhibition in April. Not a squeak on the university test and nothing mentioned on this thread either which surprised me considering how closely it has been followed over there.

Unlike the other kit floating around presently I worked out this rough design myself over 30 years ago but not being technically minded kept it as a theory as I don't have the ability or knowledge to convert it to a working model, but obviously anyone putting two magnets together pole to pole will see them fly apart. Set them in a circle to send the movement sideways rather than forwards, and it will power a motor until the magnetism wears off. Having seen the diagram here that appears to be the general construction, and I am amazed if it is as obvious as that we haven't had them for a century or more already. And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two. But if anyone knows where the tests have vanished to and why the emails have dried up on pesn please enlighten us.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #238 on: March 05, 2013, 05:50:23 AM »
You are dreaming in technicolor Mr. Logic.  All the signs point to Yildiz being a fake.

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And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two.

That's a ridiculous statement, just like your statement about a magnet motor running until the "magnetism wears off."  Any qualified engineer knows that a magnet motor based only on magnets is impossible.  You can read dozens if not hundreds of threads on this and other forums about honest researchers failing to make a magnet motor after months and months of trying.  You can also read on this and other forums about supposedly true magnet motors being discovered as fakes.  The fakers are either pranksters or con artists looking to steal money from people.

I am telling to the absolute truth.  Welcome to the real world.

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Re: Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
« Reply #239 on: March 05, 2013, 07:03:02 AM »
I've been following this in Pesn, and the announcement in Nexus for the January tests was followed by a string of emails from his assistant making little niggles about the delays and announcement the parts were now on their way to the anonymous university. Then I waited, and waited, and instead of a message about their arrival (they were being sent in separate bits to stop them being intercepted and stolen in full) they've now changed tack saying they've been invited to take it to the Geneva exhibition in April. Not a squeak on the university test and nothing mentioned on this thread either which surprised me considering how closely it has been followed over there.

Unlike the other kit floating around presently I worked out this rough design myself over 30 years ago but not being technically minded kept it as a theory as I don't have the ability or knowledge to convert it to a working model, but obviously anyone putting two magnets together pole to pole will see them fly apart. Set them in a circle to send the movement sideways rather than forwards, and it will power a motor until the magnetism wears off. Having seen the diagram here that appears to be the general construction, and I am amazed if it is as obvious as that we haven't had them for a century or more already. And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two. But if anyone knows where the tests have vanished to and why the emails have dried up on pesn please enlighten us.


You left out the "Sticky Spot" in saying hoe easy this is.  ALL magnet "motors" have them.  Get rid of that and you will have one that actually runs.  No one has done that yet to my knowledge.

Bill

 

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