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Groundloop

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 07:21:52 AM »
@geotron,

I have tried to use the same component types as Mr. Bedini did use in his circuit. That is the
reason for using the MR852 diodes. The circuit drawing from Mr. Bedini did not say what type
of diodes that was used in the output rectify part of the circuit so my thinking was like this;
If the MR852 is fast enough for the circuit then the same diodes must be fast enough for
the rectify part also.

The mF is often used to label a capacitor as micro Farad, I use the uF label and it is the same.

If you want one of my printed circuit boards then you can have one for free. I will get the
boards in two weeks time. (Gyulasun if you want a free pcb also, let me know.)

The circuit drawing I posted is made by Mr. Bedini and Mr. Brandt. It was published in a pdf
document. My circuit drawing is a direct copy of that document. My goal is to try to replicate
the Bedini circuit as close to the original as possible. I have built and tested other variants of
the Tesla switch and they all have one thing in common, they did not work. So this time I will
stick to the Bedini circuit because I think that this is the right thing to do.

Groundloop.
 

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 09:40:30 AM »
What a day! Transistors, transformers, diodes and
capacitors...  Here is my current progress. I'm going
to see how much of it I can source locally -

In case anyone has an assembled version of this
circuit, a catalog framed photograph would hit the
spot, but if not I guess I'll find out soon enough.

~ Thanks for the awesome help so far everyone ~

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 09:50:38 AM »
I'm currently in the process of figuring out how to
connect the SG3594 in a proper fashion to the timer
input lead... a bit confusing - my best guess so far
is pin #7.

pese

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 12:26:58 PM »
Jou can Proper configure the IC  as in PAGE 10 of linked PDF (this book)

BUT YOU WILL FORGET ALL NOW+
Read the following:
G.P.
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pleas forget all this nonsense
If follow all this "s named" kromrey bedini circuit.s
And IF I SEE ONLY this circuit here in Overunity.com
-i am surprized, that the folks will follow this.
This can not work. If cou see the "electrical Parametere
and use of components. i can not work.

I am no looking the SOURCE of "ONE of this "NONSENS",
and you can -also-  downoard this BOOK FREE here.

Mueller.pdf !  -  that say all (?)
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/Mueller.pdf

If you see to page 4.
ERRORS made in the showned Polarity of Diodes+

Page12
Is is not possibel that Collector to battery flow 4 Amp
and from Emitter to (another Battery 5 Amp !!
(It can only flow same curret - at same time this way!)

On Page 10 you see the same Circuit (fully connected
with driver IC)  with 2N3055H  (Hometaxial Typ of 2N3055 made
by RCA (and Siemens) - made 20 years ago-

Page 15  same Circuit with MJ802 (for more Amp).-
Ypu can also use 2 or 3 2N3055 in parallel.
BUT This basic Circuit can NEVER WORK.


If you think only that the bases of this
transistors MUST BE driven with about 5 to 10 Amp
POWER (with about 3Volt peaks), you will ask you
-Can the IC this do ?  I will not open all this papers.
If you see that driver transoformers are used
8 Ohm to 1000 Ohm. (From transistor radio ?) you must
"scratich you head because you need mor than 100 time
more current to driving the base of all transitors !!
(you have seen th "flyback diodes 1n914 ? =
that are fpr about 200ma workable!)

- So you must "turn" the transformer ???
The the current , is OK  BUT you need 100 time mor
voltage to the input of the transformers (time 6!)

that say 100 x6 for 3 Volt  this is more than 1000volts

FORGET to do this.


IF YOU WILL TRY, the SYSTEM of this Circuit. MAKE FIRST
the SIMPLY USE with RELAIS.
Use 3 pcs 30 to 100Amp Relais (Switch)  (or all in one)
an connect THIS like in Page 14 (Draw.2)

So you have an fine circuit WITHOUT all the LOSSES.
in Transitors an Diodes. that are OVER 3 Volts in this
Semiconductor Circuits, that are ONLY USED, to
"save/replace" the Relais !!
You can now SWITCH "by hand" this circuit with 3 to 5 time
WITH normal breaker (unprofessionally" by hand.

AND NOW follow with voltage-test instruments . IF YOU CAN FIND ANY
FREE POWER that come INTO the batteries !!!

Only IF you find them ... than you can think about an
"Automatic" that can "replace your hand"..


"THINK SIMPLY" , and test "Simply" before you will construct
sucht "nonsens" that is written to do "instructable work",
that you will not mor work longer with "free - overunity - ideas"

And all this "not to understand writings" that follow from page
17 to 33 , you must not try to understand. THAT say nothing over
all this errors that is made also in ALL pages before.

Sorry my english, dont know the fully volume of usable words,
but i think you will find my meaning.

Gustav Pesé
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/Mueller.pdf


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Some links in german and englisch
tha i have collected since 2002 you
find here
www.alt-nrg.de/pppp/
GP

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 04:43:18 PM »
@Groundloop

Thank you very much for offering the PCB but I do not need it.

@geotron

Concerning the 1N914 rectifier diodes, GroundLoop - I see
the one you have listed is a 200V 3A 300ns, while the specs for
the 1N914 are 100V 4A 4ns.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1N914virtualkey51210000virtualkey512-1N914 


Though Groundloop answered your diode question, I refer only to a mistype: the 1N914 diode does not have 4A, only 0.2A continuos forward current. The 4A is the max surge current, and for the MR852 the 3A is the continuos forward current and it has 100A max surge current, ok?


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Additionally I will need a board for all of these things to
reside on, and was considering the selection over at AllElectronics.com
again. They've got a small range of different sizes to choose from,
most being about 6 x 4in -
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/455/Perf-Boards/1.html

Would one of these provide enough space by itself for the
Tesla Switch circuitry and Timer, or should I get a smaller
board as well for the latter? 

I think Groundloop also offered to you a free PCB?  It is true it covers the schematic in Page 10 here http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/Mueller.pdf but Groundloop also precisely has given the schematic on his own url if you have seen it?    This answers your Pin 7 question of the SG3524 how to connect it to the timer: no need for figuring it out because it is included in the schematic by Groundloop or by Page 10 link.  (Otherwise Pin 7 would be a wrong choice because it needs the timing capacitor to adjust the frequency.  See Page 2 in this data sheet for the SG3524:
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/texasinstruments/sg3524.pdf  and one possible output from the SG3524 to the Tesla switch input would be Pin 14, your top left hookup point. But this would involve a 6th hookup point on the timer: it is Pin 8 of the SG3524, the negative ground, is to be connected to the ground point of the Tesla switch circuit. (Any output pulse from the timer circuit comes out with respect to Pin 8 of the IC.)

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 06:10:58 PM »
Hi Pese,

Although I agree with some of your notices on the different circuits (see my comments below), I think also as Groundloop that the best way is to build the circuits in question from its originator and find yourself if it works or not. OF course, educated guesses can always be made in advance, depending on one's own expertize and practice, these guesses will either prove true or false.

Your notice on the diode bridge is correct, all the 4 diodes should be rotated 90 degree clockwise to get the correct polarity. (Page 5, Figure K-1 in this link: http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/Mueller.pdf , there is no drawing in Page 4.)

Your notice on the differing Collector and Emitter currents in Page 12. Fig. T-4 is interesting. to say the least.
I think the 5.5 Amper in the emitter can be true when the collector current is only 4 Amper IF you pump 1.5 Amper into the base-emitter junction from the transformer appropiate secondary coil.  Normally the emitter current is IE = IC + IB ,  isn't it? 
However the 5 Amper flow in the negative wire between the the batteries is an unusual value indeed, considering the 4 and 5.5 Ampers in the positive wire.  All I can think of is that the AC current of the transistor oscillator may have influenced the current meters a little. 

Your notice on the Page 10 circuit would be ok for me if the charging/discharging currents were also in the order of 5-6 Ampers or higher. However the circuit in Page 10 was built for 4,8V NIMH batteries that may have had a 2-3 AmperHour capacity, so the currents involved should be much less so that the timer circuit does not have to supply several Ampers into the transformer but max some hundred milliAmpers or less.  From data sheet, the SG3524 max collector output current is 100mA, this is true, so the switching transistors should be chosen to be able to switch fully on via the transformer current convertion ratio, starting from this 100mA max output.

It is not clear for me that which timer was used for driving the Tesla switch circuit on Page 15 that includes the even higher current transistors (MJ802). They must have used an appropiate one, to be able to supply the higher driving currents.

Regards,  Gyula

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2010, 07:21:00 PM »
@gyulasun

tks, i know more than dozends of this circuits that "take the names from bedini entc"
and make no honor to this persons.

the circuit as above.
ANY member can build them very easy, with this relais as showned
ind the pdf link.

If you see that nothing will be lost or gain, with 100 switching with hand-breacker. you will understand. that an connected load will also
only surge power OUT the batteries!

So if you replace the relais with semiconductors, you have losses with heat, with VCE(sat in the transistors,  with Uf from  all the diodes and the bridge -- so this way, nothing to win on extro power - only extra losses.

I have constructed (and produced) voltage-doublers 6 to (near) 12 volts. (40 years ago) for car radio receivers - 12volt ti use on 6 volt car batteries (Germany) .
BUT in any way , its no WINNIG Power.

I must spend the double in Amperage in the source.
That "Watts  = volts time Amperes) that i will have . I must also spend !"
Additionally an small "extra" for the losses in semiconductors..

If some members have an ask for this simply electronics, please feel fre to ask.
G Pese
 
 TRY ALL CIRCUITS firs  simply as possiby , in this case - breakers relais condensors batteries (and if load needed. filament lamps. (no LED or CFL)

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2010, 08:51:53 PM »
@Pese,

>>tks, i know more than dozends of this circuits that "take the names from bedini entc
>>and make no honor to this persons
>>the circuit as above.

I have made it clear that the inventors of this circuit is Mr. John Bedini and Mr. Ronald Brandt.
I have also made it clear that I will try to replicate this circuit as close as possible to the circuit
drawing made by the two gentlemen. I have placed their names and copyright notice on
the printed circuit board to honor the inventors of this circuit.

Groundloop.

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2010, 09:17:03 PM »
@geotron,

I'm currently in the process of figuring out how to
connect the SG3524 in a proper fashion to the timer
input lead... a bit confusing - my best guess so far
is pin #7.

Attached is the block diagram of the inner workings of the SG3524 IC.
Here you can see that the output from the IC is two NPN transistors.
The oscillator (external RC network) will alternately switch on the
two transistors. To get this IC to work you will need at least a RC
network, power and the correct way of interfacing the output transistors
to you circuit. Mr. Bedini (the inventor of this circuit) has shown how to do
that in the posted pdf document.

Groundloop.

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2010, 09:24:13 PM »
@geotron,

Attached is the block diagram of the inner workings of the SG3594 IC.
....

It is SG3524,  not 3594.  Geotron mistyped it twice.

Respectfully,  Gyula

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
@Groundloop

Hello,
there is nothing to say against a "Tesla - XYZ"  trademark.
Not even if such a Tesla switch did not know to him.
But if this Tradmark existed since 1984,
there were 25 years of time to plan something to
that the "boys" do not have to construct with "unworkable circuits",
which takes the faith to the "free energy".
If you are the man here, that have the Tesla Switch protected:
You can help people build something decent
Gustav Pese

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2010, 11:28:20 PM »
gyulasun - that makes sense. I'm looking at the published
schematic though and it says to use the 1N914.   ??

SG3524 - I'll get it right one of these days :)

I'm going to go ahead and prove the original circuit that
I posted wrong before just giving up on it - what kind of
practice would it be to put all that work into releasing
bogus information? A practical joke?

I'm referring to the fact that I have not seen a working
or non-working construct of this circuit. Perhaps if it
doesn't work they ought to re-publish or officially denounce
themselves as trixters. I currently trust that they are
a lot more intelligent with electronics that I am, and
drew it precicely the way it ought to be built.

Groundloop - I hope that your build will prove successful;
I imagine that you're putting a lot of work into it and
enjoy reading your posts - don't get the idea that I'm
working against you by using my own layperson methods.

In reference to the Mueller document, figure T-7, there
is a -single- timer input. What I need to do is figure
out what is needed to supply this with appropriate on-off
signals without changing the layout in any way.

I should be able to build the circuit as shown, and then
plug in the timer as an accessory without hardwiring it
into the system, no?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2010, 05:49:23 AM by geotron »

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2010, 11:53:22 PM »
@geotron,

As I said, my goal is to test the circuit Mr. Bedini did make.
It is not a problem for me what other people want to build and test.

>>I should be able to build the circuit as shown, and then
>>plug in the timer as an accessory without hard wiring it
>>into the system, no?

If you want to use just one signal input then it may be easier to just use a signal generator
or a 555 timer (with a switching transistor added) to control you circuit.

Groundloop.

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2010, 12:23:03 AM »
gyulasun - that makes sense. I'm looking at the published
schematic though and it says to use the 1N914.   ??
...

@geotron

In the schematic you refer to and it includes the 1N914, the point is:
WHERE the 1N914 diodes are connected and WHERE the 30A diodes are connected.

The 1N914s are in parallel with the audio transformers' secondary (8 Ohm) coils,  ok?  Here there are surely currents that they can handle safely.

The 30 Amper diodes are in series with the batteries where the high current flow, depending on the batteries AmperHour capacity.

So two different routes for currents of highly different amplitudes, ok?

Regarding your pondering on whether the published circuits are bogus information or not, well, this can be always a question till a correct replication proves otherwise. I would not suppose John Bedini released bogus info, (maybe not the full info, this latter due to whatever reason).
However you surely read Pese's notices on the circuit problems I tried to answer for him,  I consider these problems as misprints in the schematics.
You may also wish to 'peep' into the energetic.com forum I gave a link earlier where the Tesla switch has been discussed for some time and even you could ask questions there too. 

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: DIY Tesla Switch Guide
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2010, 12:48:40 AM »
Hmm - a signal generator - interesting. I'll have to look up
some information on those.

Concerning the 555 timer, this is a diagram I found in an
ebook a while back - I'll have to track down where exactly
it appeared, but how does it look?

The various components are not labeled which gives me pause,
but perhaps it is a fairly standard arrangement that I could
use as a starting point...

Then there's the CD4011 version by Louis Pollaehn - would
this one work as well with figure T-7?