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Author Topic: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work  (Read 72076 times)

Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2010, 05:03:41 AM »
Great work Butch LaFonte & Group,

Quote
"It turns as though there were no power be supplied to the coils."

The implications are staggering. How many magnets and coils could one shaft drive per horsepower? If you make the spaces between the 2 part ring wider can you generate a high current pulse in the output coil? Much like an impulse generator?

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2010, 05:23:11 AM »
Hi Butch,
get yourself Ironoxid from a painter´s shop.
It is a dark black powder, which is pretty magnetic , BUT
non conducting ! Mix this together with water and an acrylic binder
you also get at a painter´s utility shop or an epoxy glue and you have the
best selfmade ferrite core you can build
which will have almost no eddy current losses...

Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2010, 05:31:02 AM »
I can't answer that question to honest with you at this time. We still have a lot of testing to go, but I can say that with no eddy current drag and no aerodynamic drag to speak of on the rotor, bearing drag is the only loss with respect to rotor operation. It's output should be limited only by the strength of the materials in the rotor to with stand rotational forces. Yes the system can produce AC pulses, but the current output will vary with the type of load, resistive or capacitive or a combination. Electronics will come into play to get the most out of it then.
Hope I understood your question and answered it for you.
Butch

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2010, 05:31:02 AM »
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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2010, 05:37:35 AM »
Quote
Hi Butch,
get yourself Ironoxid from a painter´s shop.
It is a dark black powder, which is pretty magnetic , BUT
non conducting ! Mix this together with water and an acrylic binder
you also get at a painter´s utility shop or an epoxy glue and you have the
best selfmade ferrite core you can build
which will have almost no eddy current losses...

Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.

Thanks Stefan, that will move this project ahead. We were almost at a stand still.
Thanks again,
Butch
« Last Edit: March 24, 2010, 06:11:17 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2010, 06:39:47 AM »
Great,
yes, you can get this powder in shops were they sell selfmixable
colors for painters.
There they have many different color powders and also this
nice IronOxid powder.

You can probably also get it cheaper directly from
any chemical supply distributor.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron%28II,III%29_oxide

but in my case of the color pigment it is non conductive..
You can probably also get it from black sand at the beach for
free.,
Just go with a big sized neodym magnet to the beach and try to
pick it up there via the magnet.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #50 on: March 24, 2010, 06:45:04 AM »
P.S:

Uses: Fe3O4 is used as a black pigment and is known as C.I pigment black 11 (C.I. No.77499)

But better go to the beach and  pick it up there with a magnet and you will
have it for free, maybe not so pure, but this should still be okay, if you grind
it some more to get smaller particles.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2010, 11:46:26 AM »
Isn't F3O4 basically rust? could we not get a load of rust and crush
it up to get it in powder form?

Is there another item, readily available, that could be removed from
its assembly and crushed to a powder? (For instance, specialist toroid
manufacturers make their stuff in a very wide range of peculiar
materials. Would one of their products, duly powdered, serve us?).

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »
This is still a work in progress, but I decided to show it now, as an easier alternative design, but would still work as a Lafonte Switcher.

On the left top is a transformer core where a section on each end has been removed, changing the EI to an H. It came from an old PS and is 2 1/2"L X 1 3/8"W X 2 1/4"H.

The top middle is a toroid core made of band wound silicon steel, so that the lamination's can be seen on top. It does not have the slots cut yet. It is 2 1/4"D x 3/4"H. This was a toroidal transformer from All Electronics for $9. They also have a larger one for $25.

The top right is a rotor with holes to attach the North South magnets.

The bottom middle has the rough design. Basically the H core lamination's will be against the Toroid core lamination's at top and bottom 90 degrees away from the toroid slots. Then the external rotors North South magnets will produce the same effect as the internal rotors that Lafonte has. 

Regards, Larry

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2010, 06:04:45 PM »
Hi Larry,
looks great, but better make these designs at least 3 to 5 times bigger in size
to overcome all the losses cause  a bigger unit will put out more power
and thus the maybe 10 Watts of losses will not count anymore so big,
if you have over 100 Watts of output.
But if you only have with these smaller units around in the 10 Watts
output, then 10 Watts losses will not make your circuit go overunity.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2010, 06:16:29 PM »
Isn't F3O4 basically rust? could we not get a load of rust and crush
it up to get it in powder form?

Is there another item, readily available, that could be removed from
its assembly and crushed to a powder? (For instance, specialist toroid
manufacturers make their stuff in a very wide range of peculiar
materials. Would one of their products, duly powdered, serve us?).

Yes, you could also crush a few ferrite cores to get the powder,
but the black sand from the beach collected via a magnet is probably the cheapest
source.

Here is a quote from:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061224141352AAyrywl

Red Rust is not ferromagnetic (what we typically mean with the term "Magnetic") .

Ferrous Oxide (black rust) IS magnetic.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2010, 06:32:25 PM »
Hi, Butch;

Any chance that this could be retrofited into an existing
automobile alternator coil and body for experimenting?

---

I think it will have less energy density per weight and
unit volume then normal generators...but with a
distinct advantage.

Where is Mr. Tesla in all of this...He said there was another then
current unknown "wheel" in electrodynamics, one that could enable
free energy...But he didn't say one could achieve it by adding
a metal ring into the rotor position of one of his generators.

:S:MarkSCoffman
« Last Edit: March 24, 2010, 09:39:44 PM by mscoffman »

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2010, 06:32:25 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2010, 09:04:28 PM »
Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.
I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.
Back in several hours,
Butch

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2010, 12:33:58 AM »
Hi Butch,

I have a little different way than Stephan.  Simply leave out the activated charcoal.

My iron oxide was purchased on Ebay...very cheeply!  LOL

I hope this helps:

DIY:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnY1Zbi7sgM

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2010, 03:16:43 AM »
Hi Butch,

I have a little different way than Stephan.  Simply leave out the activated charcoal.

My iron oxide was purchased on Ebay...very cheeply!  LOL

I hope this helps:

DIY:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnY1Zbi7sgM

Cheers,

Bruce
Bruce, Could I ask a favor of you? Could you put the leads of an ohm
meter about an inch apart into a pile of iron oxide to see what the
resistance is? This is without the charcoal.
Thanks, Butch LaFonte, The LaFonte Group,

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2010, 04:11:59 AM »
Bruce, Could I ask a favor of you? Could you put the leads of an ohm
meter about an inch apart into a pile of iron oxide to see what the
resistance is? This is without the charcoal.
Thanks, Butch LaFonte, The LaFonte Group,


Hi Butch,

It oscillated between 10 and 11 M   ohms.

I hope that helps you out.

Cheers,

Bruce

 

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