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Author Topic: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work  (Read 72074 times)

Offline mscoffman

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 03:04:46 AM »
Without work? But it takes work to rotate that thing 90 degrees...

@rapadura

They are getting this wrong...This is a generator...I think work is done
where magfield lines are broken - that occurs in the non-rotating
ferrite ring. The magnet rotates but feels no reaction forces as no lines are
broken between it and the ring. The arms of the device support generator
windings  - not fully shown. The induced current could power the rotating
magnet if there really are no reaction forces, just friction. How does
nature conserve forces in this case - I have no idea. Ferrite materials
don't allow eddy currents to flow or build up as they have particle based
electrical insulation.

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Offline Rapadura

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 03:20:48 AM »
Do you think that idea of my last animated GIF (the idea of the weight of the ball making the wheel rotate) should work???

Because if it work, it's not difficult to put the ball back in the initial position again. A curved SMOT can do this.  A curved SMOT like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLILn3sCdQ

We just need the atraction force on the wheel to be stronger than the atraction force of the last magnet of the SMOT, so the wheel can "steal" the ball from the SMOT:


Offline Rapadura

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 11:11:28 AM »
I think people are not realizing the importance of this thread.

I think they didn't find the videos that matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOwK9D2rmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-9H6IpJTE

Someone could watch the videos and try to understand what is really happening?

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 11:11:28 AM »
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Offline penno64

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »
Guys,

How certain are we that it is a ferrite ring and not simply iron ?

Penno

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 09:47:03 PM »
I can't believe that no one is giving attention to this thread!

Hellooooo!!! Someone is listening? There's a guy claiming he created a device that can rotate freely, and when the device turns 90 degrees it loses all its magnetic force of attraction!!!!

When people will stop trying to use electricity to generate more electricity, and will surrender to the evidence that, yes, you can generate electricity with a device that is permanent-magnet-only?

Why nobody is concerned about the implications of the existence of a device that can rotate easily, and when it rotates a few degrees it completely loses its magnetic force of attraction?

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 10:03:31 PM »
Hi Rapadura
I have the utmost respect for Butch and his team,but, turning the mag. off,with no work and letting the ring drop,is one thing, turning it on again,without the ring being there,will take work,equal to the work gained from the ring being attracted back.
I reserve the right to be totally wrong.
peter

Offline Rapadura

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 02:17:58 AM »
If that thing can really rotate freely, with no much effort, there's no need for a ring, just a ball is needed. If the device is lying in a side position, gravity will rotate the device, and therefore release the ball. After the ball is released, a counterweight can pull the device to the starting position. All this, of course, only can be possible if the device can really rotate freely.


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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Offline Paul-R

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 05:18:38 PM »

*Important Announcement*

I have just had a word with Butch about his development, and he mentioned
that some people should know this:

"Please tell the people that the switcher is a AC generator not a motor. The only
moving part is the rotor magnet and it has a constant air gap. They are going in
the wrong direction". Butch.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 08:57:33 PM »
Hi Paul-R
Is Butch saying Lenz's Law doesn't apply,when used as a genny?
peter

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Offline penno64

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 09:13:46 PM »
Hi Paul,

Thanks for that.

I have been racking my brain (ha-ha) trying to visualise some configuration.

So, as MS says, are we looking at a highly efficient AC generator that could possibly self run ?

Is this not a motor  ???

I think (ouch), I am still confused.

Regards, Penno

Offline Magluvin

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 01:11:19 AM »
I think it could work as a motor with commutator and brushes or optical and such to cause ac to the coils in sync with the rotor. If 1 pole is centered with a gap, of you apply current to the coil, the magnet will be attracted to 1 shell of the stator and repelled by the other. I can see it.

So there just might be a resistance to the rotor due to a load on the pickups wanting to reverse the field.
i had good thoughts about this before the pickup coils came into play.  Showing an iron ring lock then drop, will not show what happens with the loaded pickup coils.

Will have to see it.

Mags

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 01:40:25 AM »
I think a motor like this would be bad because at partial load there
would be no back emf...and the magnetic field internally would be
unidirectionally increasing.Motor are already near 100% eff. A motor
actually benefits from back emf.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 12:37:58 PM »

Like I said, UP not off.


One may as well attempt to tap the Coriolis force with such compartmentalized imagineering.


TS

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 01:38:35 PM »
These videos have just been posted:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteGroup


Wow, Butch and friends, really cool principle.

This should definately work !

Please don´t build it too small otherwise you will have too many losses.
But this should really violate the Lenz law and be a dragless generator ! Well done !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2010, 02:18:29 PM »
Hi Paul-R
Is Butch saying Lenz's Law doesn't apply,when used as a genny?
peter
Err ... um...he won't mind me quoting:

"The lenz reaction still takes place, but it does not effect the rotor. No drag is induced on the rotor...Please tell those guys to look at ALL the switcher videos. There is one that shows what effect the coils being loaded has on the rotor, absolutely none".

Some extra material:
http://fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files\ButchLaFonte\Switcher\
« Last Edit: March 14, 2010, 03:26:46 PM by Paul-R »

 

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