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Author Topic: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin  (Read 246587 times)

ramset

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delboy
Seems like we are talking about two different things
1. A set of contacts points[switch].

2. A spark gap [way to maintain pressure /control other aspects of the circuit]?

Well you are saying a spark gap is a "big" mistake for #2 .

Seems like you have accomplished something special,a lot of what you are saying 'Rings true".
So you are saying the supply doesn't "feel" the one wire "Tap"?

"If the supply doesn't "know" the tap is there,how can it ever be charged for withdrawal?"
Or is it more like the supply becomes so "huge" the withdrawals are a pittance?

You are doing this with 'Time" and "pressure" and Harvest[tap] ?

This is hard to get the brain around , I suppose that is why we don't have it yet?
Although it sounds like you do![and this guy-> ;D ]

Chet
Ps Tito says its easy once you Know how.
This part ->  FOR THE BENEFIT OF MANKIND!<-
Is the best part ,and the "Only" reason I'm interested.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2010, 04:48:12 PM by ramset »

Goat

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Hi all;

I've been looking at Tito's circuit that was mentioned earlier, I'd like to try it but I'm having difficulty in figuring out the values of the components and the way things are drawn and explained in the notes..any feedback would be greatly appreciated....the way it's written is that:

The relay acts as a vibrator switch

For every cut of the secondary coil the collapse produces high voltage

Reverse diode is used to direct the flow back to the battery

Like half wave battery charger

Caps and diodes to protect contacts

Primary of transformer is also used to charge the battery

Resitor...?

Transformer: 220V Secondary, 24V Primary

Questions and Comments:

Notes of drawing on transformer say "Transformer used in reverse"

Is what is pictured in the schematic and labeled as secondary the 24V side of the transformer or the other?

Where is the Reverse diode?  If it's missing in the schematic would it go on the wire from the full bridge rectifier back to the battery?

If you had a 12V relay hooked as a vibrator and the contacts became stuck would placing a fuse on the line to the battery be good enough of a safeguard to prevent a short circuit?

What values of the components would be safe to use?

How big of a transformer do you need?  One from a Microwave or larger?

Any comments and suggestions welcome.

Thanks

penno64

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Hi Mags,

I have located and read Pat No. 609250.

Sadly, I am not seeing what is exciting you.

I admit that my understanding is not at all good, and I would appreciate some clue or hint as to the
goodness of this patent.

Kind Regards, Penno

Tito L. Oracion

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Hi all;

I've been looking at Tito's circuit that was mentioned earlier, I'd like to try it but I'm having difficulty in figuring out the values of the components and the way things are drawn and explained in the notes..any feedback would be greatly appreciated....the way it's written is that:

The relay acts as a vibrator switch

For every cut of the secondary coil the collapse produces high voltage

Reverse diode is used to direct the flow back to the battery

Like half wave battery charger

Caps and diodes to protect contacts

Primary of transformer is also used to charge the battery

Resitor...?

Transformer: 220V Secondary, 24V Primary

Questions and Comments:

Notes of drawing on transformer say "Transformer used in reverse"

Is what is pictured in the schematic and labeled as secondary the 24V side of the transformer or the other?

Where is the Reverse diode?  If it's missing in the schematic would it go on the wire from the full bridge rectifier back to the battery?

If you had a 12V relay hooked as a vibrator and the contacts became stuck would placing a fuse on the line to the battery be good enough of a safeguard to prevent a short circuit?

What values of the components would be safe to use?

How big of a transformer do you need?  One from a Microwave or larger?

Any comments and suggestions welcome.

Thanks

hi goat goodday  ;D

many in youtube are doing it now

just forget my circuit ok?, what i really want to do is just something like this at that time ok: and that is a long time ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJi4tSz8_j0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJqMDCsXus&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjxV3c7pTo&feature=related
very simple and easy to do ok.

just want to add this is interesting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmY3iAKJKXc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4cd7LEPfc&feature=related

this one will answer some of your question watch this is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUdrEhFxOM0


include this for quiet version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u82tBke0sp4&NR=1


sorry i'm tooooooo lazy   ;D
otits  ;D
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 05:48:00 AM by Tito L. Oracion »

ramset

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Teets
Thanks for bringing the "movies"

Chet

Tito L. Oracion

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Teets
Thanks for bringing the "movies"

Chet

Thats nothing, and i'm not interested with those circuit anymore but they are great ok  ;D
really gives free energy thats the important thing there ok?  ;D
even though they are a little bit manual and noisy hahahahaha  ;D

baroutologos

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Hm....

Full loop. We returned to Bedini theories and Imhotep demos...
From my research and making of simple Adam motor with reed, Bedini's SSG and Imhotep relay charger, I have not be able to produce excess energy... No way. Actually losses were always as excpected.

How do they produce free energy? I have not met anyone in this or energetic forum that can claim those circuits can create excess energy. At best they create an electet effect to the batteries, appearing as charging good, after much conditioning, but always circuit stops no matter what.

@Tito,

Are those demonstartions of concept or you believe are sustainable OU devices? Perhaps with lower coil resistance and larger inductunces, as larger transformers and thicker cables, larger currents etc we can obtain better results?

Tito, a serious proof will excude any battery from design. At least at pickup stage. Batteries are a pain and a source of misleading facts.

How is supposed this amplification works? We charge an inductor and? Upon EMF abrupt stop, we harvest considerable EMF as voltage/current spike. In energy terms this is OU?

 ??? ??? ???

delboy

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Hm....

Full loop. We returned to Bedini theories and Imhotep demos...
From my research and making of simple Adam motor with reed, Bedini's SSG and Imhotep relay charger, I have not be able to produce excess energy... No way. Actually losses were always as excpected.

How is supposed this amplification works? We charge an inductor and? Upon EMF abrupt stop, we harvest considerable EMF as voltage/current spike. In energy terms this is OU?
:s :s
Don't mix Bedini here! Pickup BEMF PARALLEL from inductivity over DIODE to some battery is not the way to do that!
Ask Tesla how to do that! Capacity is parallel to switch and is charged by break of contact, that means on the END OF IMPULSE, not on the beggining like most of them do! When you charge capacity, then discharge it over primary, transfer to loose connected secondary and then mix diode, MOSFET , other capacity and whatever to power receiver or you can once more amplify by geting resonance in secondary and connecting one-wire receiver which will not disturb resonance!

Tito L. Oracion

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Hm....

Full loop. We returned to Bedini theories and Imhotep demos...
From my research and making of simple Adam motor with reed, Bedini's SSG and Imhotep relay charger, I have not be able to produce excess energy... No way. Actually losses were always as excpected.

How do they produce free energy? I have not met anyone in this or energetic forum that can claim those circuits can create excess energy. At best they create an electet effect to the batteries, appearing as charging good, after much conditioning, but always circuit stops no matter what.

@Tito,

Are those demonstartions of concept or you believe are sustainable OU devices? Perhaps with lower coil resistance and larger inductunces, as larger transformers and thicker cables, larger currents etc we can obtain better results?

Tito, a serious proof will excude any battery from design. At least at pickup stage. Batteries are a pain and a source of misleading facts.

How is supposed this amplification works? We charge an inductor and? Upon  abrupt stop, we harvest considerable  as voltage/current spike. In energy terms this is OU?

 ??? ??? ???

Hi bar
actually they are talking about the collapsing magnetic field in those demos, and tesla discovered that, there is a slight increase in the collapsing magnetic field, you know this is actually the secret, all you need to know is how will you make the slight increase be more increase, and that were amplification works.  8)

no sir! batteries are good and reliable to use, you must just know how to make the dipole always alive. don't kill the dipole. bearden.

don't worry i'm searching  on my old computer, i will give my design of not killing the dipole i promise you that sir!

i actually made an improvement in beardens design of not killing the dipole just be patient ok?  ;D

Their designs are really free energy but they are not teaching the slight secret free energy technique. that is the reason why you cannot get free energy but they can.  ;D

don' t worry i am now beginning to releasing some of my real and simple free energy designs ok?.

baroutologos

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Hello... Teacher!

I am conducting, as we speak, resonance experiments based on Don Smith concepts etc. I am finding out, the hard way, that although Q values etc are good and nice, i cannot achieve considerable resonance if the inductunce is not large enough. At least now.

Also the very Q formula is based upon inductunce. So it all boils down to inductunce used per cycle, as if in every cycle the inductunce adds something to amplification ?..

It has not been long time ago, that i stareted a thread in energetic forum, declaring that we finally need guidance and proposed an e-learning suggestion. Perhaps you, can fulfil this task Tito.

Please, do not let us down :)

...
ps: Using my Kacher, pulsed by a fully adjustable 555timer, i can achieve resonance of the drum coil. By the way, resonance at best is still weak. The indicating bulb, is per Tesla specs, a single loop at the back of the coil, showing how strong resonance is.

Tito L. Oracion

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Hello... Teacher!

I am conducting, as we speak, resonance experiments based on Don Smith concepts etc. I am finding out, the hard way, that although Q values etc are good and nice, i cannot achieve considerable resonance if the inductunce is not large enough. At least now.

Also the very Q formula is based upon inductunce. So it all boils down to inductunce used per cycle, as if in every cycle the inductunce adds something to amplification ?..

It has not been long time ago, that i stareted a thread in energetic forum, declaring that we finally need guidance and proposed an e-learning suggestion. Perhaps you, can fulfil this task Tito.

Please, do not let us down :)

...
ps: Using my Kacher, pulsed by a fully adjustable 555timer, i can achieve resonance of the drum . By the way, resonance at best is still weak. The indicating bulb, is per Tesla specs, a single loop at the back of the , showing how strong resonance is.


Your punishing yourself  hahahaha ;D  ;D  ;D

notice my post, save them they are truths.  ;D

i have to escape for a moment bye something is tracing...

bye!!!!!

baroutologos

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Can you be more specific tito?

Collapsing extra coils means?
eg You pulse an 10 turn coil and harvest in 5 x 10 turns coil or 1 of 50 turns coil?

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@baroutologos,
 
I don't know if this can help you anything, I hope it will anyway:
Below is an excerpt from "Practical Transformer Handbook"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9659415/Practical-Transformer-Handbook:

"Stepped-up high voltage from not so high turns ratio
An experimenter is interested in determining the approximate turns ratio of an automobile ignition coil. He impresses a small audio frequency sine wave on the primary terminals and uses an oscilloscope to measure the induced voltage in the secondary. As a result of this measurement technique, it is found that the voltage step-up is approximately 100. This does not appear reasonable because 100 times the 12 V of the automobile battery falls far short of the 15 000-30 000 V needed for firing spark plugs. What is the nature of the discrepancy?
Although not commonly referred to as a 'flyback' transformer, the ignition coil develops its high secondary voltage in a similar manner to the flyback transformer in a television set. In both instances, the primary winding requires a waveform with a very high rate of voltage or current change. Such a waveform induces a high voltage counter EMF in the primary and
it is this induced voltage which is stepped-up further in the secondary. Thus in an automobile ignition system, the abrupt cut-off of the applied 12 V induces a counter EMF in the primary with a peak amplitude of about 250-300 V. When this purposely-produced 'transient' is multiplied by a 100 to 1
step-up turns ratio, one obtains the 25 kVor so needed for reliable firing of the plugs.
This situation provides an interesting insight into the operation of all transformers regardless of impressed waveshape."

I think "the abrupt cut-off" is what you are looking for.

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@baroutologos,
I don't know if this can help you anything, I hope it will anyway:
Below is an excerpt from "Practical Transformer Handbook"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9659415/Practical-Transformer-Handbook:
"Stepped-up high voltage from not so high turns ratio
Although not commonly referred to as a 'flyback' transformer, the ignition coil develops its high secondary voltage in a similar manner to the flyback transformer in a television set. In both instances, the primary winding requires a waveform with a very high rate of voltage or current change. Such a waveform induces a high voltage counter EMF in the primary and
it is this induced voltage which is stepped-up further in the secondary. Thus in an automobile ignition system, the abrupt cut-off of the applied 12 V induces a counter EMF in the primary with a peak amplitude of about 250-300 V. When this purposely-produced 'transient' is multiplied by a 100 to 1 step-up turns ratio, one obtains the 25 kVor so needed for reliable firing of the plugs.
This situation provides an interesting insight into the operation of all transformers regardless of impressed waveshape."
I think "the abrupt cut-off" is what you are looking for.
Standard ignition coil is not like in Tesla design!
Standard ignition coil charges transformer primary to full current and than „the abrupt cut-off“ creates HV peak that is transfered to secondary! In standard ignition coil you have high current from source and look at capacity , it is short circuit after „the abrupt cut-off“ and that means that energy accumulated on capacitor is lost. Here capacitor plays really stupid play :D

At Tesla's design we have capacitor playing main part. It is charged from input coil when "the abrupt cut-off" happen and then he disharge this to primary and it is transfered to secondary. And no high current from source even at low frequency of switching just if you keep input inductivity high and resistance small, meaning Q factor must be high!

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@ Tito...thanks, I've tried the Imhotep design and other variants but always found them to be defective as the 30 mA drain was never replenished except for a surface charge or fluff voltage and the battery always goes down eventually so no OU there only discharge...I haven't seen or heard anyone claiming OU on that type of setup yet so I'll wait for your solution on how NOT to kill the dipole.....

@ delboy

How do we use the igniter circuits to achieve OU? 

I know you've mentioned the 1 wire transfer but how would you do this on these types of circuit to either run something or feedback to the source for a self runner? 

Do you have an idea as how to use this circuit and not kill the dipole?

Thanks