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Author Topic: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin  (Read 247317 times)

Goat

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@ Bart

I feel your pain...I've been where you have been many times but I keep coming back...hope I guess is what keeps us trying...meanwhile I'm still stuck at the same old problem...all roads seem to lead to resonance and HV BEMF but how to extract it without killing the dipole...still looking for answers without getting too complicated...hopefully Tito will enlighten you in the right direction...best of luck


Magluvin

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Hey Goat
Have you tried it with an air core transformer? I have tried it with regular and the output is good, just not enough to replace what was used. Delboy says that it is my transformers that are a problem. Im working on a couple air core designs that I want to give a go. we will see.  =]
In this circuit, I dont see that resonance is a tuned thing. Think about it, a gas engine will be changing rpm, thus the speed of the timing will change also. That is why I felt strongly about this. Now if we were able to store the output, can that be converted to a viable power that can run things or even recharge its own battery? Thats the way I see it.

Mags

Goat

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Hey Mags

Unfortunately I've been away from my shop for months now so I haven't tried the core-less coils yet but I'm still following you and everyone's progress...that's why I've been on the sidelines thinking over the different ideas presented...I'm not always an armchair warrior though...once I'm back home in my shop I'll try to build different projects to test out different ideas but I've never found any OU just a lot of batteries that end up needing a regular recharge....I've had some unusual effects like recharging my camera batteries once where they lasted a long time in the camera but eventually dying and become un-rechargeable...I've also seen this when using pulse charged regular lead acid batteries....go figure...

But I'm curious about the 1 wire method that Delboy talked about...but instead of going to a second receiver I was thinking of the following (see pic below)....I've done and recorded this behavior awhile back either here or on the energetic forum where I had used the Avramenko type setup on the end of the wire coming off an ignition coil which functioned to seperate the 1 wire HV into + and - voltage...might be worth looking into since I'm not advanced enough in electronics to build a transmitter and reciever...besides I like to keep things as simple as possible :)   

Thanks and keep up the good work...
Paul

Magluvin

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I agree Goat, I love simple
What delboy is saying is, you get the setup going at a freq of resonance, and if you have another separate resonant coil/cap, it will resonate by only 1 wire between the 2. This way we are not killing the oscillations of the original resonator.  And we can put as many separate resonators connected by 1 wire, to the original circuit without actually drawing from it. The same with rf. Many receivers without causing the transmitter to loose power output.
I need to try some of these things myself to get it right in my head with the resonance and how to draw power from the separate resonators.
So if this is true, if we can get power from 1 separate resonator that is even 50% of the source resonators input, then if we have 4 separate resonators running 1 wire, the total of the 4 resonators power will be 200% output as compared to the source input. Thats where the freebe comes from.  =]
Lol  Im just figuring this stuff out now.   Sound great doesnt it?  Im slow at some things, but once I get it, it sticks.  ;]
It is just the drawing from the separate resonators that I am thinking about at the moment. That is why I speculated 50% from each separate resonator, just as a guess. Cuz as we draw from them, we are killing their resonance as we do. If it is only 10%, then we need 20 receivers, 1 wire, to get 200% out as in.


Make sense?  =]

Mags

Magluvin

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Oh  your redraw is good. Put the rectified output to a cap and then convert that as necessary. If the input is low as said as compared to the output, then the conversion can be done in a normal dc/dc fashion to bring it down to the input voltage level, that should be capable of more than what is used at the source input.  I hope.  =]

Mags

forest

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Read this http://www.rexresearch.com/mckie/mckie.htm carefully.
This guy replicated Tesla circuit from one of patents ( I can't find the exact number but it was a patent Tito mentioned probably with two tank circuits, when one capacitor is discharging the second inductor is charged)
So all we need is to build such circuit with load as a part of it (but here probably resistive load would be the best) .
Don't loose hope. I see at least 3-4 possible ways to achieve overunity and that without counting permanent magnets.
Those Tesla patents are one of such. They implemented what Tesla saw in childhood - snowball effect.
They are EXACT implementation of pendulum with special method of working.Pendulum which is powered by feeble impulses in phase AND additionally on each cycle it GROWS like snowball. Like a child on swing who eats hamburgers he he. Imagine that !

See ? Nature is our best teacher. Swing,snowball, also whip. Who can tell me what would be the implementation of whip in electric circuit ?

Magluvin

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Hey Forest
I just looked at that link. Man it is going to take a bit to get that setup all together the way its presented. So much mumbo jumbo all over  the circuit.  Looks interesting though, good find. It will take me a bit of time to redraw the circuit without all the crazy stuff.  And exact pt's list is a study.
But to see an electronic version is refreshing.  =]
Very cool forest. ;]

Mags

Goat

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@ Mags & Forest

I was searching for self induction coils and I came across a Nikola Tesla lecture book which had diagrams resembling the igniter type and also a double tank circuit so I thought of posting the link and one of the diagrams in the hopes someone might get inspired by it....very interesting reading and not very expensive book at $12.95....

http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/351ntl.htm

Thanks,
Paul


the_big_m_in_ok

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I was not useful lately so I found Tito first schematic and added polarity marks  ;D
Keep going.
With respect to Reply #62, A thought experiment...?

Replace the transformer with a set of 10 each 1:1 counter-wound toroids having the 12v sides in parallel and the opposite side coils in series to a set of 12v batteries in series.  There are a wide variety of types of variable frequency signal generators available to drive the system.

--Lee

Goat

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@ Qwert

Excellent find...how do we tie in your finding of magnetic amplifiers into this thread?  I've seen this before but how does it integrate??

Thanks,
Paul


Magluvin

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I was doing some research and I think I found a picture of Tito and his coils.
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ramset

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My My
Teets looks like he had some work done.

Almost like "debonair"!

And he's workin so hard!!

Chet


Magluvin

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Teets is working with flapjack coils too.

He is a genius  =]


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skippula

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WOW!
Who's that handsome fellow?