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high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« on: March 24, 2006, 04:19:24 PM »
 He bousted of resonance but it requires a large high voltage super capacitor to acheive OU with such tactic. The idea is to capture  most of the voltages at megahertz levels but I couldn't find any diodes to use at such levels so I settled with the fastest diodes I could find and they were usable only to 20kh . Luckily, I found out the old farts been avoiding such impossable demands by just wrapping his resonant coils not around air core material but resonanting a coil using a crystal oscillator (5volt) .The surrounding resonant coils don't pick up OU amounts of energy via resonance. But, simply trigger oscillation in surrounding coils 20hz which if wrapped aroung magnets in the correct fashion will leach roughly 5volts off magnets per cycle. Understand?

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2006, 04:22:46 PM »
He bousted of resonance but it requires a large high voltage super capacitor to acheive OU with such tactic. The idea is to capture? most of the voltages at megahertz levels but I couldn't find any diodes to use at such levels so I settled with the fastest diodes I could find and they were usable only to 20kh . Luckily, I found out the old farts been avoiding such impossable demands by just wrapping his resonant coils not around air core material but resonanting a coil using a crystal oscillator (5volt) .The surrounding resonant coils don't pick up OU amounts of energy via resonance. But, simply trigger oscillation in surrounding coils 20hz which if wrapped aroung magnets in the correct fashion will leach roughly 5volts off magnets per cycle. Understand?
obtw I think the beardin (spelling?) motionless transformer is simply doing the same.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2006, 09:58:58 PM »
He bousted of resonance but it requires a large high voltage super capacitor to acheive OU with such tactic. The idea is to capture? most of the voltages at megahertz levels but I couldn't find any diodes to use at such levels so I settled with the fastest diodes I could find and they were usable only to 20kh . Luckily, I found out the old farts been avoiding such impossable demands by just wrapping his resonant coils not around air core material but resonanting a coil using a crystal oscillator (5volt) .The surrounding resonant coils don't pick up OU amounts of energy via resonance. But, simply trigger oscillation in surrounding coils 20hz which if wrapped aroung magnets in the correct fashion will leach roughly 5volts off magnets per cycle. Understand?

Can you post a picture please of your device ?
What kind of output toinput power level do you get ?
Thanks.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2006, 09:58:58 PM »
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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2006, 03:33:22 AM »
 Hi Mr. Hartman

 Perhaps I'll post pics but I have to admit to being as bad as Don Smith when details are given. Thank you for asking. Don't waste your time on any similar looking attempts to Don's pics on his site. I spent lots of money and time studying his said tactics and He failed to mention a number of things such as the fact that frequencies above 20hz can't be converted to a usable D.C. .The diodes on the market just can't produce clean d.c beyond 20hz .His devices don't work unless you apply a source of free energy (magnets) to them. At the moment I'm working on a second alternator in an attempt to duplicate Tilley's fashion of free energy. The first one failed but I'm very excited about the improvements done on my second attempt. I have alot of faith in this second attempt and will definitely look into patenting it and I'll feel safe in posting pics of disassembled alternator.
 Oh, by the way the amount of energy feedback is limited only by how many magnet/coil units you tie into system.


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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2006, 08:13:12 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong... But mains 110/220 AC is 60hz, and is daily converted to DC with on-the-shelf diodes. However, I assume we are not dealing with a sinusoidal current/voltage.
From what I can tell [in my Limited understanding] then is that the primary or triggering coil, which is driven with 5 volts or so, drives the surrounding coils wrapped around magnets to act as the secondary of a pseudo-transformer, somehow drawing power out of the magnets. This is how he separates the input from the output, which was the reason for the capacitors in the first instance. By driving only one coil at a certain frequency, surrounding coils can interact [based on windings] with this frequency, building upon it, and putting power out, without having to filter that output from the input as when the input and output coils are one and the same. I think I see what is going on...

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2006, 06:53:02 AM »
Correction- I meant to state 20khz not 20hz. ::)

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2006, 07:24:33 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong... But mains 110/220 AC is 60hz, and is daily converted to DC with on-the-shelf diodes. However, I assume we are not dealing with a sinusoidal current/voltage.
From what I can tell [in my Limited understanding] then is that the primary or triggering coil, which is driven with 5 volts or so, drives the surrounding coils wrapped around magnets to act as the secondary of a pseudo-transformer, somehow drawing power out of the magnets. This is how he separates the input from the output, which was the reason for the capacitors in the first instance. By driving only one coil at a certain frequency, surrounding coils can interact [based on windings] with this frequency, building upon it, and putting power out, without having to filter that output from the input as when the input and output coils are one and the same. I think I see what is going on...
The 5volts mentioned is ONLY TO TRIGGER oscillations in surrounding magnets to thus allow leeching off of mangets which doesn't amount to much at all but the great and wonderfull thing about it is the power is limited only to the number of? secondary coils tied into system.It takes at least two secondary to acheive ou. Its an open door to free energy. I suspect the Sweet vta to be similar and thus hints at a possable ten fold improvement possable in "leeching" extraction. Just a guess though. It's a fact Sweet used magnets.
 

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2006, 07:57:46 AM »
How do you pulse these magnets ? With what kind of coils and with what kind of waveforms ?
Do you wrap coils directly around magnets ?What kind of magnets ?Neodym magnets ?
What size ?
Thanks.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2006, 05:30:53 PM »
 I used neo mags but I think cheaper ceramic would work just as well because I don't think the free volts arrive strictly due to the shear magnetism but rather from rate and how much wire is used. Each coil consists of 2 lbs of 28 guage wire and 16   2*1*1/4 inch magnets but I think shape is not important. I wasn't originally going to mention this much detail but anyway. A typical sinusoidal wave is used. There's no way to get this to work unless you first locate the resonant frequency of the the secondary magnet/coil by hooking it up to a signal generator and a osc . After finding the frequency you'll want to adjust the source signal (requireselectronic know how) and then slowly pull  the two  apart untill the high voltages diminish in the secondary down to the your source voltages level, be it 5 volts or 200volts ect..  WHEN THE LEVELS ARE EQUAL YOU SHOULD BE ABOUT TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE SOURCE AND YES... ALL THAT VOLTAGE IS FREE. To remain near the primary is to rob the source of energy and can not be done. The secondary should be center tapped with a capacitor to ground so as to induce small amounts of current. At a distance of two feet the current in the secondary don't induce current into the source coil. The currents in the secondary will exceed the current going on in the primary but yet we'll still have duplicate voltages. We now have a power increase.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2006, 06:41:31 PM »
So let me see, if I got this right.
You have a transmitter being a magnet-stack of 16 magnets
and around this a cylindrical coil of 2lbs with 28 gauge wire and
are driving this via the output of a signal generator, probably less than 1 Watt
at the resonance frequency of the coil of the receiver unit ?

Then 2 feet away you have the same device as the receiver unit
with just the change, that your coil has a center tap for a cap to ground.
Now at resonance you have about the same voltage levels as you feed
the transmitter coil via the signal generator, maybe 10 to 15 Volts peak to peak ?
Maybe at 20? Khz ?

Now when you rectify and put a load onto the secondary coil you get more power
out at the load, than you need to supply via the signal generator ?
Is there no drag back coupling via this 2 feet distance ?

Does it need a special position of the 2 magnet stacks to each other
and does it need a special winding of the coils ?
Are the 2 coils made pretty much the same, so they also have almost the
same resonance frequency ?

How did you exactly measure and compare the power output versus power input ?
Did you look for phase angles between voltage and current ( cos phi ) ?

Do you think, that the second unit "sucks" in "free" magnet waves from the surroundings
and thus additional coils get additional induction and thus power output ?
Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2006, 07:01:32 PM »
P.S. Do you have the magnets stacks in repulsion or in attraction at the 2 feet distance ?
Is this important or doesn?t it play a role, how you position the magnets to each other ?
Thanks.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2006, 03:13:33 AM »
 More clearly stated The oscillator circuit being a typical simple circuit located in electronics books or maybe even purchased on the web require only about 5volts or as you put it 1 watt BUT after finding the resonant frequency of the secondary which will be easy considering the the amount of resistance in 2lbs of wire you'll want to make the primary a quarter wave so if the secondary is say 20khz you'll want the primary to be resonant at 80khz BUT YOU'LL WANT TO PUMP 20KHZ INTO THE PRIMARY. This idea doesn't vear from Don's original concept.
 Or a simpler way to make the primary would to divide the amount of resistance in the secondary by four and that will put you in resonance around 80khz if you go with the same dimensions with both coils. Now we're getting into the details Don fails to stress to people. Making the primary resonant at 80khz is not vital but will create higher peak voltage in secondary. After all is said and done you have created a type of tesla coil but with a magnet in presence. I'd rather not detail as to how I applied the magnet because I don't desire copycat devices but improved devices to pop up. Its important to keep the coils below 20khz, like say 15 or 10khz would be nice because the diodes would work well. Here's a very big tip- The key to extracting free amounts of energy from such devices is by having multiple secondaries... People can declare this device to be crap with one secondary but when I've duplicated the source numerous times the jokes on them.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 12:46:39 PM »
So you have one primary and multiple secondaries?

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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2006, 04:15:02 PM »
 One of Don's bigest lies is hi said use of frequencies above 20khz , say 218 mhz and I'll tell you why. Once you go beyond 20khz your coil is now SPAWLING OFF electromagnetic energy into the atmosphere hence we have radio potential. This would be self defeating. What we really want is to be close to 20khz so that our energy remains trapped to its coils but circulates on the surface of the wire producing a sort of cheap super conductivity! And we also have the reactance to take advantage of as well. 2lbs of is alot of wire and alot of resistance but at 15khz frequency the reactance is sufficient to cancel out this concern and everyone knows that the more turns you have the more volts are produced, so why would we want to exceed 20khz. This is Don's biggest; no doubt.

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Re: high rate magnet leaching a.k.a don smith
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2006, 04:30:41 PM »
 I believe a small amount of potential is absorbed from the atmosphere but when we are close to 20khz and working with a fairly wide band secondary the ionized particles in the air are atracted to the concentrated and organized location of our secondary. ionized particles as far as 200 feet will begin to slowly creep toward the strong and concentrated source but will exponentially excell toward the secondary with every inch it falls closer to it. The wider the band width the more atractive the secondary is to ionized particles floating in the air. This topic has been touched upon by Don but with no mention of being close to 20khz but not any higher. You see now Don is brilliant but quite the riddler. You can recreate Don's device by keeping in mind to stay below 20khz because once you exceed 20khz your coil starts to spawl off energy into the atmosphere but a wide band secondary close to 20khz will be attractive to floating ionized particles!

 

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