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Title: Russian magnet motor
Post by: joe on March 22, 2006, 03:26:11 AM
Hi,

Last week I found this russian site. It shows a magnetic motor with video and description.
I have sent and Email to the inventor and he did not reply. I have wrote in English and french I suppose he is not speaking english.

The site is very slow to download and I did download the videos but they don't not work properly.

Anyway if you want to take a look!

Joe

 http://kalininaa.narod.ru/

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/manufact.html

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/sxema.html
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: joe on March 22, 2006, 03:35:01 AM
I  did also find another site  with a different magnetic device.

Joe

http://www.empyros.org/?j=id_&avt=vsk&sod=018

 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Omnibus on March 22, 2006, 03:47:05 AM
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Hi,

Last week I found this russian site. It shows a magnetic motor with video and description.
I have sent and Email to the inventor and he did not reply. I have wrote in English and french I suppose he is not speaking english.

The site is very slow to download and I did download the videos but they don't not work properly.

Anyway if you want to take a look!

Joe

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/manufact.html

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/sxema.html

This motor was discussed already in one of the previous topics. I can't remember where because it didn't seem ineresting to me. You have to go back and find that previous topic.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Omnibus on March 22, 2006, 04:14:27 AM
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I  did also find another site  with a different magnetic device.

Joe

http://www.empyros.org/?j=id_&avt=vsk&sod=018

The principle of this motor seems very close to what Torbay from Argentina has done. The difference is that, in the words of the above author, there has never been a working device while Torbay probably has it working, judging from the Argentinian press releases. More evidence is needed, though, that Torbay's motor really works.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on March 22, 2006, 08:25:34 AM
Hi,

Last week I found this russian site. It shows a magnetic motor with video and description.
I have sent and Email to the inventor and he did not reply. I have wrote in English and french I suppose he is not speaking english.

The site is very slow to download and I did download the videos but they don't not work properly.

Anyway if you want to take a look!

Joe

To me yet there was no time to answer. I have some secrets of manufacturing which I do not want while to open
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 02:17:27 PM
It seems it does not yet work from the videos.
He still pushes it by his hands only...

As the Russian site is so slow and the connetion always fails after a few bytes,
I needed to download them via Netvampire and putting the videos here up for better
download.
Here are the videos:
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 02:20:59 PM
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Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 02:21:34 PM
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Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 02:33:02 PM
Maybe he just needs a bigger flywheel to overcome the phase with the losses ?
Flywheels can really help such a design.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on March 22, 2006, 03:22:56 PM
Hello!
I the author of the given engine. Now all is ready that it has earned.
I wait when will make a missing magnet.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Omnibus on March 22, 2006, 03:32:02 PM
Anatoliy, say it in Russian and I'll translate it.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 03:45:09 PM
@Omnibus:
Maybe you can translate some important infos from his homepage ?

@Antoly:
What is still missing ? Better magnets ?
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Omnibus on March 22, 2006, 03:48:22 PM
Stefan, let me try. What passages do you want me to translate?
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2006, 03:51:20 PM
As I can?t read Russian language, I don?t understand, what is written at all on
ALL his pages, I can only look into the graphics.

The principle is clear to me, the question still is, if he has magnet problems,
maybe he did not yet get Neodym magnets or if there are still mechanical problems
or what else he has tried so far... Many thanks.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Omnibus on March 22, 2006, 05:22:17 PM
Stefan, here is a rough translation of the text in http://kalininaa.narod.ru/manufact.html  (http://kalininaa.narod.ru/manufact.html):

DESCRIPTION OF MAKING THE MOTOR

At the beginning some inexpensive and handy details were used: rings ferrite magnets from acoustic systems, some kind of old equipment. The rest of the details were ordered from machine shops or I made them myself. The Piston and the cylinder were made of caprolone.

However, these materials didn?t provide the expected effect: friction between them turned out to be significant. The screen was made of steel. It moves on bearings. At this moment the motor is made of machine made details which I ordered and they have the required quality.

I made measurements on the exit shaft (#5 on the schematic) and the resistance for the movement of the shade (#12 on the schematic) of the manufactured model of the motor. Using MathCAD I calculated the work of the shaft and the work necessary to move the shade. Integrals of the function of the given sections allowed to calculate the work of the magnets and the work for moving of the shade. Various values of the work were obtained depending on the different ways of placing the magnets. Therefore, I only present the values from the one particular way which I chose to work with.

Work on the motor shaft is 2,022 J.

Работа на перемещение заслонки 1,195 J.

Work for moving the shade is 1,195 J.

Work gain is not great but it is enough for the motor to get going.

Measurements are taken from a model with all resistances accounted for.

The usual setup doesn?t work and it was necessary to choose the magnetic system. At this moment it has been found and its workability has been proven. Measurements were not only made in static state but also when all elements were in motion accounting for the inertia and the resistance.
A working motor is not available because of lack of funds for its further manufacturing and, unfortunately, it can only continue in half a year. What remains is to make the lever for the movement of the shade, rotating push mechanism and the mechanism for shifting of the shade. In general, what remains is not much but it requires manufacturing exactness since the inaccuracies and gaps do not allow for the proper coordination of the shade and the shaft.

If there is someone from St. Petersburg who would be interested I would demonstrate these results and we could finish the manufacturing of the motor together.

The latest modification which I now am working on is shown in Fig. 6.

This page is unfinished and as the work progresses it will be supplemented.

Addition from 26 January 2006.

At this moment significant changes in the construction of the motor have occurred.Дополнения 26 января 2006 г. There are videos with results from trials and work of an almost ready motor. It is seen quite well in the video how the force of magnet repulsion turns the shaft while at the same time opening the shade. Video is available for those who would be interested in it.

RECOMMENDATIONS ON MANUFACTURING

The practical effect of the magnetic field turned out to be quite an important feature in manufacturing. It was found that the shade must be sufficiently large so that less of its sides cross the magnetic field. (see Fig. 3). Best if it is on, that is, the one which covers the magnets. The form of the bounds is best to match the form of the magnet. My shade is rectangular.
I found a practical solution for overcoming the attracting force of the upper magnet field. It is necessary to increase the sirface area of the magnet so that the shade will always be in the magnetic field when it moves. The simplest is to place one more magnet in the path of shifting the shade, which I actually did in my model.

Resistance to shifting (F) became negligible and close to the theoretical:

F = f*N

where f  is the coefficient of friction of motion (0,02), N is the force of interaction of the magnetic field H. Since I do not have at this moment a strong magnet with the necessary dimensions I decided to use an electromagnet. It is necessary just to create a strong magnetic field which afterwards will be formed by a permanent magnet. When studying the available magnets I found some manufacturers and the prices of super strong magnets. Therefore, if a need arises all of it can be ordered. In making an analogy with an internal combustion engine (ICE) it is possible to calculate the characteristics and price of the magnetic motor in advance.

In the picture it is seen that the turning push shaft has not been fixed to the axis but is only affixed with the help of a tube and this is done just to tune it up at the beginning. The axis with the push shaft will be replaced with a sturdier construction. For less powerful models it is necessary to decrease the rotations of the shaft via a flywheel so that the forces of inertia from the shade shift wouldn?t cause a strong friction.

The optimum is to have a large pass of the piston and lower rotations so that less energy is spent for the overcoming of the inertia of the shade and avoid the formation of eddy currents.
 The shade has to be made of transformer steel to avoid its magnetization. It is necessary to take into account the electric current in the shade and rest of the ferromagnetic details appearing due to the changing magnetic field
 Preliminary calculations show that the motor of 1 kW would cost around $400. These calculations are based on the real price of the magnets and the details from manufacturers.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on March 24, 2006, 01:40:41 PM
@Antoly:
What is still missing ? Better magnets ?
The magnet with the special sizes is necessary for me.
Therefore it should be ordered. One magnet do for a long time.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: TEguy on June 02, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
Hi Anatoliy,
I am very sceptical about your design and here is why:
In your diagram for component number 3 it says Ferromagnetic shield. Correct? If I got this bit right then I don't see how the motor will work because ferromagnetic materials are attracted to magnets. This is the very reason they are able to shield the magnetic field. They shield by interacting with the field. And interaction with the field causes them to be attracted. This is a problem because in your design you have a piece of ferromagnetic material lets say steel. The steel is basically between two magnets. The steel is pulled away from the magnets by the spring. This will require a lot of energy from the system, because if the spring is strong enough to pull the shield away, the repelling force of the magnets will not be strong enough to stretch the spring again. The repelling force between the two magnets will always be smaller than the attraction force between the magnets and the steel. The reason for this is because the steel is always closer to the magnets than the magnets are to each other. And as we all know the closer you go to a magnet the denser the magnetic flux becomes. I think this is the main problem - the steel is always closer to the top magnet than the bottom magnet is because the steel is between them and is exposed to much stronger field than the bottom magnet. As with hundreds of other mechanisms I've seen on this forum, if you use a material which shields magnetic field but is not attracted by the magnet, then your motor will work.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 07, 2006, 03:51:03 PM
This motor design is one of the few designs I've seen that may actually work, provided you manage to make the magnetic screening a pure modulation, thus extracting minimal energy from the downward motion. The screening material between the magnet should NOT interact with the magnetic fields in any way other than to diminish its effect. If this design is to be successful at all you cannot have significant work associated with the insertion/exsertion of the screening material per "combustion" cycle. Using ferromagnetic materials is not the way to go here because you'll experience substantial force when moving the metal screen in and out of the gap.

As far as I can tell, the biggest hurdle with this design is the magnetic screening material used during the upward cycle, but other than that we have a classic combustion engine. We need a material that does not interact with the magnetic fields but merely functions as a barrier. Also, the screening material should be as thin as possible to allow very close proximity of the magnets, thereby maximizing the "combustion" pressure. Would a thin sheet of high density lead work?

Keep up the good work! 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: jake on June 07, 2006, 04:21:54 PM
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...we have a classic combustion engine.

Worth noting that typical internal combustion engines are 30% efficient (mostly heat loss, but the mechanical losses are pretty stiff too).
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: gn0stik on June 07, 2006, 09:01:39 PM
This motor design is one of the few designs I've seen that may actually work, provided you manage to make the magnetic screening a pure modulation, thus extracting minimal energy from the downward motion. The screening material between the magnet should NOT interact with the magnetic fields in any way other than to diminish its effect. If this design is to be successful at all you cannot have significant work associated with the insertion/exsertion of the screening material per "combustion" cycle. Using ferromagnetic materials is not the way to go here because you'll experience substantial force when moving the metal screen in and out of the gap.

As far as I can tell, the biggest hurdle with this design is the magnetic screening material used during the upward cycle, but other than that we have a classic combustion engine. We need a material that does not interact with the magnetic fields but merely functions as a barrier. Also, the screening material should be as thin as possible to allow very close proximity of the magnets, thereby maximizing the "combustion" pressure. Would a thin sheet of high density lead work?

Keep up the good work! 


There is no such thing as a shielding material that is NOT ferromagnetic.

Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 07, 2006, 11:35:42 PM
There is no such thing as a shielding material that is NOT ferromagnetic.

It's been a long time since I actually looked at this stuff. Anyway, the screening material should be some diamagnetic material (plastics, lead, gold, etc. )
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 07, 2006, 11:43:41 PM
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...we have a classic combustion engine.

Worth noting that typical internal combustion engines are 30% efficient (mostly heat loss, but the mechanical losses are pretty stiff too).

True, but we are able to cruise a 160 km/hr on the Autobahn despite the bad efficiency of the combustion engine. This Russiam setup remains interesting nevertheless.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: FreeEnergy on June 08, 2006, 01:18:15 AM
from: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1073.0.html

You would need diamagnetic material like bismuth or pyrolytic graphite sheets which are highly diamagnetic.

Found a link on bismuth: http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/levmag.htm and it seems to be formed easily at home to a flat sheet format too due to its low melting temperature point.

Also a good info on diamagnetic materials is here:

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/marty/diamag/ajp601.pdf        and also here:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/marty/diamag/diajap00.pdf

The "latest" strongly diamagnetic material is pyrolytic graphite and it is available just in the correct shape for your arm:
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite.html

Now your idea can be tested! Go ahead!

rgds
Gyula
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on June 08, 2006, 10:09:55 AM
Hello!
Meanwhile I hide some secrets of a design of the engine. Due to them, the engine will work with the ferromagnetic screen.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 08, 2006, 03:01:07 PM
Hello!
Meanwhile I hide some secrets of a design of the engine. Due to them, the engine will work with the ferromagnetic screen.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.

What about a shutter mechanism such as this for the up stroke screening?

(http://www.dcviews.com/cursus/images/tt51010.gif)
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 08, 2006, 03:07:24 PM
from: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1073.0.html

You would need diamagnetic material like bismuth or pyrolytic graphite sheets which are highly diamagnetic.

Found a link on bismuth: http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/levmag.htm and it seems to be formed easily at home to a flat sheet format too due to its low melting temperature point.

Also a good info on diamagnetic materials is here:

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/marty/diamag/ajp601.pdf        and also here:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/marty/diamag/diajap00.pdf

The "latest" strongly diamagnetic material is pyrolytic graphite and it is available just in the correct shape for your arm:
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite.html

Now your idea can be tested! Go ahead!

rgds
Gyula

Didn't read all the posts. Anyway, like Gyula says, diamagnetic material is probably needed to minimize insertion/exsertions forces.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: TEguy on June 08, 2006, 03:46:58 PM



There is no such thing as a shielding material that is NOT ferromagnetic.




I wasn't sure about this gn0stick. If this is true then this engine is a waste of time
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: pucella on June 08, 2006, 08:08:17 PM
Hi
I have some idea how to cancel force of removing barrier from this system.
If we will make disc from still with let say 16 wholes and 15 motor systems with synchronization we will accomplish cancellation of barrier removing forces. Don?t you think?
 Sorry for my English
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: gn0stik on June 08, 2006, 09:40:44 PM



There is no such thing as a shielding material that is NOT ferromagnetic.




I wasn't sure about this gn0stick. If this is true then this engine is a waste of time


ding ding ding ding ding... you win the thread.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on June 12, 2006, 03:28:40 PM
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The repelling force between the two magnets will always be smaller than the attraction force between the magnets and the steel. The reason for this is because the steel is always closer to the magnets than the magnets are to each other.

Sure, but don?t forget your sliding the steel sidewise away (in 90 degrees to the magnetic "forcelines").
When you have to magnets stucked together, what are you going to do to separte them. Would yo try to separate them by pulling agains the direccion of the magnetic force or would you try to simply slide them away from each other.
I think you would them slide away from each other. But why you should do this, even when the force is the same.
Try it out and you will see that it?s not the same.

I think that this design is better than Torbay?s design. Torbay?s Motor seems to me like a donkey-truck pulled by a carot. :D

By
 2Tiger 

Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: gn0stik on June 12, 2006, 07:46:11 PM
Quote
The repelling force between the two magnets will always be smaller than the attraction force between the magnets and the steel. The reason for this is because the steel is always closer to the magnets than the magnets are to each other.

Sure, but don?t forget your sliding the steel sidewise away (in 90 degrees to the magnetic "forcelines").
When you have to magnets stucked together, what are you going to do to separte them. Would yo try to separate them by pulling agains the direccion of the magnetic force or would you try to simply slide them away from each other.
I think you would them slide away from each other. But why you should do this, even when the force is the same.
Try it out and you will see that it?s not the same.

I think that this design is better than Torbay?s design. Torbay?s Motor seems to me like a donkey-truck pulled by a carot. :D

By
 2Tiger 



Aside from the fact that torbay's motor probably works, and this one cannot possibly work, I guess it's just a matter of preference.

Regards, Gn0stik.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on June 13, 2006, 10:36:21 AM
Yesterday I try a little experiment.
Simply to replicate with a piece of wood,two Neo?s, a kitchenknife (stainless steel) and a kitchenbalance.
Please take a look @ the picture.
The 2 Neo?s are repelling each other.

A. I press this "setup" (F1 on the balance) without the knife between the gap on the balance and depending of the gap I messure 300g to 3,2 Kg = 3N to 32N.
With knife I need only 400g = 4N till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife. (knife shielding??? Yes Sir!)

B. I press the "setup" this time with the knife (F2) on the balance and I messure only 300 g 3N till the knife begins to slide on the Neo.

So what can be a better shield then this stainless steel knife??
When you calculate 4 N for push the Neo on the knife and 3N to pull the knife out of the gap and perhaps thinking about friction losses add 4example 5N, so you need round about 11N to create 32N ~~1:3 .

Please tell me if I did something wrong in my experiment.

CU
2Tiger   



Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: lancaIV on June 13, 2006, 02:16:24 PM
No,it is allright !
This is also the "physical macro-demonstration" of the
MEG-function !

S
  dL
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: stiffy on June 13, 2006, 05:48:06 PM
So what can be a better shield then this stainless steel knife??

Try a thin sheet of solid lead. I'm curious what happens with that.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 17, 2006, 12:36:46 AM
@2Tiger,
where is the the kitchen balance in both experiments and what are you doing exactly in
experiment A with the knife ?`

I did not exactly understand, what you want to do.
Please explain in more details.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on June 20, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
Hello Stefan
Well I will try with a better draw,?cause my english is not yet good enough for complex explanations.

On experiment A now you can see where the kitchen balance is. The balance is connected with the plastic axel to the sliding Neo and by pushing on it, it shows me the repulsion force 300g to 3,2Kg, depending of the distance between the two magnets.

In experiment B you install the knife in the gap it will stuck instantly to the lower Neo.
Now you push down the balance (Pos. 1). You will see that the balance shows you roundabout 400g, till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife too.
Next step - with the same balance you try to push the knife (Pos. 2), that is "caught" by the two Neos and the balance will show you about 300 g till the knife overcomes the friccion in that "magnet-sandwich".

I hope this will help you understand, what I mean.

I think that this motor setup seems to look very promising. 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on June 21, 2006, 10:45:43 AM
Hi
If U don?t have the ressources (kitchenbalance, piece of wood, etc.), you can try this and feel the difference with your fingers.

A. Try to remove the knife up, away from the magnet -> high force  =  attraction force (doesn?t matter if it is an other magnet or any other piece of ferromagnetic material)

B. Try to move the knife sidewise -> about ten times lower force!

I cannot say why, but I?m sure that this smal force is only necessary to overcome the fricction between the magnet and the knife. This would mean there are forces in front of and behind the magnet that cancel each other out.
If we minimize the fricction, perhaps with s stripe of teflon, one on the magnet and another one on the knife, and the force we need to push the knife over the magnet goes down, then my assumption could be confirmed.

Unfortunately I?m now constructing myself a house and don?t have much time to test this out.
If anyone of you is going to test this, please report us the results.
Thanks.

2Tiger

   



Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on July 05, 2006, 11:43:01 AM
Hi
Now I found the answer to my question myself.
First, forget my prediction that there are forces canceling each other out.....! 
On the pic you can see scan from my good, old physics book.

In this experiment there are 10 N pulled by 0,2 N even with friccion. So the force you need is 50 times lower!
And you can easily compare this with the pullout from my knife away from the magnet.

Let us say the knife has a weight from about 100 g. Now take a magnet, glued it on the table and let the knife stick to it. When we now messure the weight of the knife against the table, there will be about 3,2 Kg (attracion force from the magnet) plus the 100g of the knife  =  3,3 kg * 9,81= 32 N.
And this is the weight we have to pull, but with 50 times lower force (32N / 50 = 0,64 N) we will only need 0,64N to do this.

The next step would be to install the knife on a steeltrack with steelrolls in order to decrease the glidefriccion.
The glidefriccion between steehl and steel has an index-nr. of 0,002.
So Fglide = 32 N * 0,002 = 0,064N. At least we would need to pull the knife out of the magnet-sandwich with only 0,064 N so that the repelling force (between the magnets) can take effect =32N. And I?m only talking about a Neo-magnet cylinder with 10mm diameter and 5mm thikness.

Waiting for replies.

By
2Tiger



   


 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on July 05, 2006, 01:18:26 PM
Hello!
You argue correctly. But there are some features which do not allow to create the ready engine easily.
At me already almost all is ready, but I move to other city. Therefore works stop for one year.
In Russia it is a lot of oil, therefore such engines are not necessary for it.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on July 05, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
Hello Stefan
Well I will try with a better draw,?cause my english is not yet good enough for complex explanations.

On experiment A now you can see where the kitchen balance is. The balance is connected with the plastic axel to the sliding Neo and by pushing on it, it shows me the repulsion force 300g to 3,2Kg, depending of the distance between the two magnets.

In experiment B you install the knife in the gap it will stuck instantly to the lower Neo.
Now you push down the balance (Pos. 1). You will see that the balance shows you roundabout 400g, till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife too.
Next step - with the same balance you try to push the knife (Pos. 2), that is "caught" by the two Neos and the balance will show you about 300 g till the knife overcomes the friccion in that "magnet-sandwich".

I hope this will help you understand, what I mean.

I think that this motor setup seems to look very promising. 

Hi 2Tiger,
this is interesting !
If you really have measured the forces with your kitchen balance,
then can you calculate how much energy
the upper magnet does, when you pull the knife out ?
As Energy is force x distance, how many mm or inches does the upper
magnet move, when you pull out the knife ?
Yes, it is the same principle as Anatoly uses in his motor
and I hope he can get his motor soon to work.
It probably really depends on the thickness of the knife plate.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on July 05, 2006, 02:46:43 PM
Hello!
I did calculations of work. Useful work more than harmful work.
There is a positive difference of works. Measurements did already on the model.
Figures are on a site: http://kalininaa.narod.ru.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on July 05, 2006, 04:01:28 PM
Hi Anatoly,
do you have any english language calculation
on your site.
The most people over here can not read russian language I guess.
Maybe you have a friend, who can translate your site into
english language ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Anatoliy on July 05, 2006, 04:14:04 PM
Hello!
I had version of a site in three languages: English, German, French. But for non-payment of money it has been closed.
I shall try to make something.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on July 12, 2006, 04:32:09 PM
Hello Stefan
For me it?s difficult to calculate the energy, because with my kitchen balance I can only  messure the force only in that moment (32N) . When I take the balance away the NEO fly?s away with plastic axel about a meter.
Do you know a formula to calculate the force (N) related to the distance between magnets?
This would help to calculate the energy.
 
Thanks
2Tiger
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: FatBird on September 21, 2009, 02:43:56 AM
I want to post this because it seems like such a simple design.


It seems like a design that can be easily SCALED UP in size for MORE POWER, by:

1.  Making the DIAMETER LARGER for MORE TORQUE, or

2.  PARALLELING MORE LEVELS of of Magnet Rings, or BOTH.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEI-1C2RCo&feature=pyv&ad=2912867106&kw=energy



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Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: IceStorm on September 21, 2009, 03:52:03 AM
I want to post this because it seems like such a simple design.


It seems like a design that can be easily SCALED UP in size for MORE POWER, by:

1.  Making the DIAMETER LARGER for MORE TORQUE, or

2.  PARALLELING MORE LEVELS of of Magnet Rings, or BOTH.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEI-1C2RCo&feature=pyv&ad=2912867106&kw=energy



.

That video is a pure scam, look between 0:37 and 0:41 , when it spin it with his finger, the disk start to turn and go faster and faster and faster.  LOL there so much retard who try to scam people, its terrible.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: FatBird on September 21, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
I hope all of you can recognize that the PREVIOUS Post is from a Dis-information TROLL.  Trolls are PAID to discredit good ideas to side-track folks.  BIG OIL wants to stay BIG!!  One BIG IDENTIFYING TRAIT of TROLLS is that they are ALWAYS NEGATIVE.  They NEVER, EVER offer solutions or Positive ideas.


Here is another WORKING Magnet Motor that works on an almost IDENTICAL Principal.  However, the previous one is much simpler.

Let's see if that TROLL will come back and discredit this one too.  LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE


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Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 0c on September 22, 2009, 12:45:40 AM
That device is NOT a Perendev motor! It's known as an OCMPMM or WhipMag. Here's the first official/unofficial youtube link after Alsetalokin deleted the original video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI

(still getting a lot of viewers and comments, I see)

There's a lot of information available about the device. But unfortunately, despite numerous attempts, there have been no successful replications.

The primary overunity.com thread is located here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3871.0
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: IceStorm on September 22, 2009, 01:16:40 AM
I hope all of you can recognize that the PREVIOUS Post is from a Dis-information TROLL.  Trolls are PAID to discredit good ideas to side-track folks.  BIG OIL wants to stay BIG!!

Here is another WORKING Magnet Motor that works on an almost IDENTICAL Principal.  However, the previous one is much simpler.

Let's see if that TROLL will come back and discredit this one too.  LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE


.

Stop putting scam as evidence, i have no idea for the second video but for the first one, only people like you will not see the stupid trick used.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 22, 2009, 02:02:13 AM
the voice in the video sounds so much like TK, TK can you verify this buddy?

Jerry :)
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on September 22, 2009, 03:39:27 AM
@ Fatbird,

the folks at 33energy.com are scammers. they rip people off by selling fake "free energy plans"
there seems to be a lot of that going around the internet right now.. and if you ask me, it should be illegal...
but for some reason, the powers that be allow them to go on scamming people.....

dont give those guys any money.
 those little yellow magnets in their video are being driven by an unseen (but loudly heard) source. it is not free energy.
 its a scam to get you to go to their website and send them money.

Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: hartiberlin on September 22, 2009, 11:34:55 AM
Yes, I have read also somewhere, that
OCMPMM or WhipMag
from Alsetalokin

seems to be done by our Member TinselKoala
but he does not admit it.

Maybe he can come forward and put this non working design
finally to rest ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: exxcomm0n on September 22, 2009, 01:06:39 PM
Hi all,

Having been in contact with TinselKoala via his youtube channel and recent video collection of solid state tesla coils, I can say that you'll have to wait a bit for him to see this and comment on it.

He's taken some time off from the OU forum to experiment with different coil designs and post the experiments on youtube, but in a few weeks will possibly be back.

As to whether he and Alsetalokin are the same person, I'd have to say that I don't think that's true, but in a few weeks maybe he'll see this thread and comment on it to say if it's true or not.

He did ask me to say "Hi" to the OU community for him though. ;)
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: 2tiger on September 22, 2009, 01:20:48 PM
Hello everybody

This "magic" device has nothing to do with the russian motor at all.
It is far away from its priciple.

Btw - does everyone noticed this too ??

                                      Alsetalokin    ( nicolateslA )

                                      TinselKoala

....... in both names include the same letters, just a little mixedup! Is this coincidense ???

By
2Tiger


 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: IceStorm on September 22, 2009, 02:15:50 PM
Yes, I have read also somewhere, that
OCMPMM or WhipMag
from Alsetalokin

seems to be done by our Member TinselKoala
but he does not admit it.

Maybe he can come forward and put this non working design
finally to rest ?
Many thanks.

@Hartiberlin, Wierd coincidence,
             
                 Alsetalokin
                 NikolaTesla

                 TinselKoala
                 NikolaTesla

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: exxcomm0n on September 22, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
EDIT:

Sorry. It's been a long time since I saw the Alsetalokin video and I finally went back and viewed it again. The voice and speaking style are quite similar, so I guess we'll have to await TK's return to clarify the matter if he chooses to address it.

{deleted}
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: AbbaRue on September 22, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
If I had a device like that shown in post #46, I would find a way to market it as a toy.
Then many people could get a copy of it for themselves, and the inventer could get funding for bigger units.
I wouldn't advertise it as an over unity device, only as a scientific curiosity toy.
Then the big energy companies won't be alerted about it.
Once enough people have a working copy of it, there will be no stopping it.
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: FatBird on October 18, 2009, 03:53:43 AM
I thought that TROLL would come back, & he sure did.

TROLLS like to discredit anything that works.  LOL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEI-1C2RCo&feature=pyv&ad=2912867106&kw=energy
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Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: spoondini on October 18, 2009, 05:46:54 AM
33energy is 99.999999% likely to be a scam fatbird.  This is the second post I've seen linking to these guys tonight.  Let's please stay on topic, if you want to open a thread about magniworks or 33energy, please take it out a unique thread for discussion (or about how can help choreograph class action suits so these scamsters stop giving legit ou seeker a bad name). 
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 18, 2009, 07:21:35 AM
could it be that FatBird is one of the people profiting from that scam?? he sure likes to link that crap to multiple threads...


Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: yaz on October 18, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
That youtube vid is a total fake. The LED lights up BEFORE the motor starts to turn. LOL! The plasticine is hiding the hole and the wires going to a battery. Who would have thought? ::)
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: FatChance!!! on October 18, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
Don't you guy's get it!!!
Fatbird is most likely Richard Willis....the fat crook behind the Magnacoaster scam.

could it be that FatBird is one of the people profiting from that scam?? he sure likes to link that crap to multiple threads...
Title: Re: Russian magnet motor
Post by: Bulbz on November 11, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
I thought that TROLL would come back, & he sure did.

TROLLS like to discredit anything that works.  LOL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEI-1C2RCo&feature=pyv&ad=2912867106&kw=energy
.

It's not that simple, I've been playing around with magnets for years. It's amazing what a plasticine-covered button-cell can do. Sorry FB, it's a fake !