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Author Topic: Russian magnet motor  (Read 41857 times)

gn0stik

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2006, 07:46:11 PM »
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The repelling force between the two magnets will always be smaller than the attraction force between the magnets and the steel. The reason for this is because the steel is always closer to the magnets than the magnets are to each other.

Sure, but don?t forget your sliding the steel sidewise away (in 90 degrees to the magnetic "forcelines").
When you have to magnets stucked together, what are you going to do to separte them. Would yo try to separate them by pulling agains the direccion of the magnetic force or would you try to simply slide them away from each other.
I think you would them slide away from each other. But why you should do this, even when the force is the same.
Try it out and you will see that it?s not the same.

I think that this design is better than Torbay?s design. Torbay?s Motor seems to me like a donkey-truck pulled by a carot. :D

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Aside from the fact that torbay's motor probably works, and this one cannot possibly work, I guess it's just a matter of preference.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2006, 07:46:11 PM »

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2006, 10:36:21 AM »
Yesterday I try a little experiment.
Simply to replicate with a piece of wood,two Neo?s, a kitchenknife (stainless steel) and a kitchenbalance.
Please take a look @ the picture.
The 2 Neo?s are repelling each other.

A. I press this "setup" (F1 on the balance) without the knife between the gap on the balance and depending of the gap I messure 300g to 3,2 Kg = 3N to 32N.
With knife I need only 400g = 4N till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife. (knife shielding??? Yes Sir!)

B. I press the "setup" this time with the knife (F2) on the balance and I messure only 300 g 3N till the knife begins to slide on the Neo.

So what can be a better shield then this stainless steel knife??
When you calculate 4 N for push the Neo on the knife and 3N to pull the knife out of the gap and perhaps thinking about friction losses add 4example 5N, so you need round about 11N to create 32N ~~1:3 .

Please tell me if I did something wrong in my experiment.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2006, 02:16:24 PM »
No,it is allright !
This is also the "physical macro-demonstration" of the
MEG-function !

S
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Re: Russian magnet motor
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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2006, 05:48:06 PM »
So what can be a better shield then this stainless steel knife??

Try a thin sheet of solid lead. I'm curious what happens with that.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2006, 12:36:46 AM »
@2Tiger,
where is the the kitchen balance in both experiments and what are you doing exactly in
experiment A with the knife ?`

I did not exactly understand, what you want to do.
Please explain in more details.
Many thanks.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2006, 01:44:02 PM »
Hello Stefan
Well I will try with a better draw,?cause my english is not yet good enough for complex explanations.

On experiment A now you can see where the kitchen balance is. The balance is connected with the plastic axel to the sliding Neo and by pushing on it, it shows me the repulsion force 300g to 3,2Kg, depending of the distance between the two magnets.

In experiment B you install the knife in the gap it will stuck instantly to the lower Neo.
Now you push down the balance (Pos. 1). You will see that the balance shows you roundabout 400g, till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife too.
Next step - with the same balance you try to push the knife (Pos. 2), that is "caught" by the two Neos and the balance will show you about 300 g till the knife overcomes the friccion in that "magnet-sandwich".

I hope this will help you understand, what I mean.

I think that this motor setup seems to look very promising. 
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 03:21:49 PM by 2tiger »

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2006, 10:45:43 AM »
Hi
If U don?t have the ressources (kitchenbalance, piece of wood, etc.), you can try this and feel the difference with your fingers.

A. Try to remove the knife up, away from the magnet -> high force  =  attraction force (doesn?t matter if it is an other magnet or any other piece of ferromagnetic material)

B. Try to move the knife sidewise -> about ten times lower force!

I cannot say why, but I?m sure that this smal force is only necessary to overcome the fricction between the magnet and the knife. This would mean there are forces in front of and behind the magnet that cancel each other out.
If we minimize the fricction, perhaps with s stripe of teflon, one on the magnet and another one on the knife, and the force we need to push the knife over the magnet goes down, then my assumption could be confirmed.

Unfortunately I?m now constructing myself a house and don?t have much time to test this out.
If anyone of you is going to test this, please report us the results.
Thanks.

2Tiger

   



« Last Edit: June 22, 2006, 09:18:06 AM by 2tiger »

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2006, 11:43:01 AM »
Hi
Now I found the answer to my question myself.
First, forget my prediction that there are forces canceling each other out.....! 
On the pic you can see scan from my good, old physics book.

In this experiment there are 10 N pulled by 0,2 N even with friccion. So the force you need is 50 times lower!
And you can easily compare this with the pullout from my knife away from the magnet.

Let us say the knife has a weight from about 100 g. Now take a magnet, glued it on the table and let the knife stick to it. When we now messure the weight of the knife against the table, there will be about 3,2 Kg (attracion force from the magnet) plus the 100g of the knife  =  3,3 kg * 9,81= 32 N.
And this is the weight we have to pull, but with 50 times lower force (32N / 50 = 0,64 N) we will only need 0,64N to do this.

The next step would be to install the knife on a steeltrack with steelrolls in order to decrease the glidefriccion.
The glidefriccion between steehl and steel has an index-nr. of 0,002.
So Fglide = 32 N * 0,002 = 0,064N. At least we would need to pull the knife out of the magnet-sandwich with only 0,064 N so that the repelling force (between the magnets) can take effect =32N. And I?m only talking about a Neo-magnet cylinder with 10mm diameter and 5mm thikness.

Waiting for replies.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2006, 01:18:26 PM »
Hello!
You argue correctly. But there are some features which do not allow to create the ready engine easily.
At me already almost all is ready, but I move to other city. Therefore works stop for one year.
In Russia it is a lot of oil, therefore such engines are not necessary for it.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2006, 01:58:16 PM »
Hello Stefan
Well I will try with a better draw,?cause my english is not yet good enough for complex explanations.

On experiment A now you can see where the kitchen balance is. The balance is connected with the plastic axel to the sliding Neo and by pushing on it, it shows me the repulsion force 300g to 3,2Kg, depending of the distance between the two magnets.

In experiment B you install the knife in the gap it will stuck instantly to the lower Neo.
Now you push down the balance (Pos. 1). You will see that the balance shows you roundabout 400g, till the sliding Neo stucks to the knife too.
Next step - with the same balance you try to push the knife (Pos. 2), that is "caught" by the two Neos and the balance will show you about 300 g till the knife overcomes the friccion in that "magnet-sandwich".

I hope this will help you understand, what I mean.

I think that this motor setup seems to look very promising. 

Hi 2Tiger,
this is interesting !
If you really have measured the forces with your kitchen balance,
then can you calculate how much energy
the upper magnet does, when you pull the knife out ?
As Energy is force x distance, how many mm or inches does the upper
magnet move, when you pull out the knife ?
Yes, it is the same principle as Anatoly uses in his motor
and I hope he can get his motor soon to work.
It probably really depends on the thickness of the knife plate.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2006, 02:46:43 PM »
Hello!
I did calculations of work. Useful work more than harmful work.
There is a positive difference of works. Measurements did already on the model.
Figures are on a site: http://kalininaa.narod.ru.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2006, 04:01:28 PM »
Hi Anatoly,
do you have any english language calculation
on your site.
The most people over here can not read russian language I guess.
Maybe you have a friend, who can translate your site into
english language ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2006, 04:14:04 PM »
Hello!
I had version of a site in three languages: English, German, French. But for non-payment of money it has been closed.
I shall try to make something.
Yours faithfully, Anatoly.

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2006, 04:32:09 PM »
Hello Stefan
For me it?s difficult to calculate the energy, because with my kitchen balance I can only  messure the force only in that moment (32N) . When I take the balance away the NEO fly?s away with plastic axel about a meter.
Do you know a formula to calculate the force (N) related to the distance between magnets?
This would help to calculate the energy.
 
Thanks
2Tiger

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Re: Russian magnet motor
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2009, 02:43:56 AM »
I want to post this because it seems like such a simple design.


It seems like a design that can be easily SCALED UP in size for MORE POWER, by:

1.  Making the DIAMETER LARGER for MORE TORQUE, or

2.  PARALLELING MORE LEVELS of of Magnet Rings, or BOTH.



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