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Author Topic: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics  (Read 5653 times)

Offline Rapadura

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Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« on: February 18, 2010, 06:19:09 AM »
Oh yeah, asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics. The dinosaurs can tell you! Where did all the energy of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs come from?

Asteroids are formed from disks of dust that condense in outer space. The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs was quietly touring the solar system when it was captured by the gravity of Earth, and was greatly accelerated to the point of winning all the kinetic energy that resulted in dramatic impact.

So gravity is the perfect overunity acelerator! You just have to find something that is "up" and may come "down", and this "thing" must have been put up there without using energy produced by mankind.  Examples: The water that fall in the rains, that fuel the rivers, that moves the turbines in hydroelectric plants. The asteroids that are captured Earth's gravitational field. Or... Anything that was put up there by the force of permanent magnets!

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 06:29:15 AM »
Oh yeah, asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics. The dinosaurs can tell you! Where did all the energy of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs come from?

Asteroids are formed from disks of dust that condense in outer space. The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs was quietly touring the solar system when it was captured by the gravity of Earth, and was greatly accelerated to the point of winning all the kinetic energy that resulted in dramatic impact.

So gravity is the perfect overunity acelerator! You just have to find something that is "up" and may come "down", and this "thing" must have been put up there without using energy produced by mankind.  Examples: The water that fall in the rains, that fuel the rivers, that moves the turbines in hydroelectric plants. The asteroids that are captured Earth's gravitational field. Or... Anything that was put up there by the force of permanent magnets!

No, Asteroids are products of failed planetary systems, they are the shrapnel of planets/Planetoids which collided with other planetary/Planetoid systems, this is where there kinetic energy came from.


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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 06:37:43 AM »
If a piece of rock torn from the moon in a collision is floating around with a velocity of 1 meter/second, and then Earth's gravity captures it, and accelerates it more and more, until  reach an acceleration of more than 9 m/s², and the rock impacts Earth surface with a velocity tremendously greater than when it was floating in the space, where the energy came from?

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 06:37:43 AM »
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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 06:58:58 AM »
If a piece of rock torn from the moon in a collision is floating around with a velocity of 1 meter/second, and then Earth's gravity captures it, and accelerates it more and more, until  reach an acceleration of more than 9 m/s², and the rock impacts Earth surface with a velocity tremendously greater than when it was floating in the space, where the energy came from?

First off, I was correcting you about what you said earlier:

'Asteroids are formed from disks of dust that condense in outer space'.

this is mostly wrong. the Asteroid belt is a product of failed planets and or planetoids that collided with other planets and or planetoids. this as a secondary topic doesn't mean that those destroyed planets did or didn't have life of some kind. how many failed planets are there? outside our system? there are already 500 planets outside our own solar system within the first 100 light years of our star that have been detected as being planets..

Next, you say that an object that falls into the earth is accumulating kinetic energy which is true only because the Earths gravitational energy is adding to the objects fall but the earth loses some of its kinetic energy to do so, there is a trade off. nothing perpetual here!

if you were up on your science you would of included that for every action there is an equal and or opposite reaction. this includes falling bodies!

it is not one sided!
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 07:51:30 AM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

Offline Rapadura

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 12:49:58 PM »
First, onthecuttingedge2005, you must realize that I'm not your enemy, and I'm not trying to "steal" your ideas.


Next, you say that an object that falls into the earth is accumulating kinetic energy which is true only because the Earths gravitational energy is adding to the objects fall but the earth loses some of its kinetic energy to do so, there is a trade off. nothing perpetual here!


Well, I'm not sure how much of  its kinetic energy Earth loses when its gravity accelerates an asteroid. But, if you are right, so I have to consider that the "magneto-gravitational" generators that both you and me wish to develop are a very dangerous thing!

Because, if it becomes the only source of "free energy" for humanity, after many centuries abusing of Earth's gravity to make our generators work, we will be draining Earth's kinetic energy, and slowing down our planet!!  :-\

Are we about to invent a new kind of pollution, the kinetic pollution?

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 07:44:22 PM »
If a piece of rock torn from the moon in a collision is floating around with a velocity of 1 meter/second, and then Earth's gravity captures it, and accelerates it more and more, until  reach an acceleration of more than 9 m/s², and the rock impacts Earth surface with a velocity tremendously greater than when it was floating in the space, where the energy came from?

This was caused by the Big Bang. The Big Bang separated the components
and caused the matter in the asteroid to have potential gravitational
energy relative to the matter that formed in the earth. So any infalling
body in space is a standard energetic reaction operating by converting
potential energy into heat and/or vibration.

Actually to intercept the earth a meteoroid needs to have a certain
correct "aiming" and certain speed momentum. This is because a
closer orbit is actually more energetic then a further one. The
moon moves away from the earth by loosing orbital energy via
tidal interaction, rather then coming closer and crashing into the
earth. You fire a rocket to add energy. You fire retrorockets
to de-orbit a spacecraft.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 07:51:03 PM »
This was caused by the Big Bang. The Big Bang separated the components
and caused the matter in the asteroid to have potential gravitational
energy relative to the matter that formed in the earth. So any infalling
body in space is a standard energetic reaction operating by converting
potential energy into heat and/or vibration.

Actually to intercept the earth a meteoroid needs to have a certain
correct "aiming" and certain speed momentum. This is because a
closer orbit is actually more energetic then a further one. The
moon moves away from the earth by loosing orbital energy via
tidal interaction, rather then coming closer and crashing into the
earth. You fire a rocket to add energy. You fire retrorockets
to de-orbit a spacecraft.

:S:MarkSCoffman
the big bang is a theory...

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
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Offline Rapadura

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 06:01:25 AM »
So we just need a magnetic "Little Bang" to separate something from Earth and enjoy the fall, extracting our dear eletricity!

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 04:14:43 PM »
So, I think if some day we can develop a "magneto-gravitational" generator that generates very much power at very low cost, we should do some calculations before we turn this in a large scale method for generating gigawatts of power to mankind, trying to antecipate how its prolonged use can affect Earth's rotation and translation movements.

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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
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Re: Asteroids violate the second law of thermodynamics
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 04:57:01 AM »
1) The second law of thermodynamics assumes a "closed" system.

2) According to Bodes' law of average distances, there should be a very sizable planet right about the middle of where the asteroid field is. Bode was pretty much spot on in his calculations-

 

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