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Hi There!
I never before heard Tesla's specific version of the "get electricity from nature" (particularly Sun, cosmic rays and earth).
I've seen incarnations: Earth batteries ... different apparatus including gigantic coils, antennaes, etc.
But this article I found seems QUITE EASY and simple to replicate.
AN excerpt:
Tesla patented his free-energy receiver in 1901 as An Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy. The patent refers to the sun as well as other sources of radiant energy, e.g. cosmic rays. The device functioning at night is explained in terms of the availability of nighttime cosmic rays. Tesla also refers to the ground as "a vast reservoir of negative electricity."
How Tesla’s Radiant Energy Receiver works
An electrical potential exists between the elevated plate (positive) and the ground (negative) plate, energy is accumulated and builds within the capacitor and, after "a suitable time interval the accumulated energy will "manifest itself in a powerful discharge" which can do work. According to Tesla, the capacitor should be "of considerable electrostatic capacity and its dielectric made of the best quality mica, for it has to withstand potentials that could rupture a weaker dielectric.
I include a diagram: H. Plauson’s Conversion Of Atmospheric Electric Energy 1921
The whole thing is down here: http://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/id9.html
It states that you can do useful things with the captured energy .... does anyone got any idea on quantification ? how many amps / hour / voltage, etc ? I am tempted to replicate this.
Regards,
SigmaX
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http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
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OK, now I'm sure there's some genius hillbilly out there living under high tension power lines and running his entire house off the radiation.
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This is a correct statement,,the way I was told is ,,Lay your wires parallel to the HV lines that run low to the ground,(+-20 feet),this wire is the same as we use today.Every "normal" junk yard had a few thousand feet of this(high-line wire).Things were different back then,The mountainous area of Kentucky,comes to mind.Although I know a place here,in this county,where Power Plant is 3 miles away,,wires run over the end of a 10 acre fish tank,,,when you drive under it you can FEEL the car(Honda hatch-back) vibrating,,,on a foggy morning,,pop,fizzle,hiss,of MANY,MANY,amps and volts,,,GOING ON DOWN the line,
Back then a frequent question""O.K.,,I know it runs thru the wires,but what about those empty places,where nothing is plugged in??Aint there a bunch of electricity getting sprayed out?""
Joe in Texas
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http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
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Chet
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Oh look, a lil picture of Teets
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Mags
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I'm looking at Tesla's, Moray's and Paulson's Radiant Energy Receivers now. If you build the thing on a small scale you will only receive radio level energy, its just information, very little signal. Then, of course if you build it under a high tension line you might get megawatts, but it will burn up your tiny apparatus in an instant. You have to build this thing on a scale that is relative to the frequency of power you want to handle. Its all in the math...
The antenna needs to be suitable. A tiny little wire isn't going to cut it. Tesla's patent suggests using a plate, which we know as a planar antenna. If you build it to resonate at 102.1 MHz then you can get a little tiny signal from a radio station. But if you build it to resonate a frequency that is naturally occurring, and has a significant amplitude, then we're getting somewhere. Like for instance the Earth resonates at the Schumann Resonance Frequency, which is 7.83 Hertz. This is too low in frequency to be useful electrically, but just an example. Also the Earth is a receiving body, and is like a load on our Solar Circuit. The Sun is the Power Supply. It is known that The Sun radiates Radio Frequency energy. Both Tesla and Moray knew this. If we pick a moderate frequency that The Sun radiates and then design the receiver to resonate at that specific frequency then we can make The Radiant Energy Receiver a real working device...
So the trick of the puzzle is what are those frequencies. Has anyone ever come across a spectral analysis of radio frequency energy emitted from The Sun? I've been looking for it, and have not found it. I suspect that this information is prohibited. All the documents that I have looked at state that most of The Suns energy is in the Light Frequency range, and totally sidesteps the Radio Spectrum, except to state that Solar Flares disrupt the Radio Spectrum. I think our solution is there. Somewhere between Ultrasonic and Low Frequency RF, under the AM Band, like around 100 KHz...
http://www.wavelengthcalculator.com/
So, to build a full wave planar antenna for a 100 KHz receiver we would need an isolated sheet of metal that is 3 Kilometers Square. Not very practical. A 1/4 wave antenna would be 0.75 Kilometers square. OK, lets kick the frequency up to 500 KHz. A full wave antenna would need to be 600 meters square, and a 1/4 wave antenna would be 150 meters square. You can see where I am going with this. Now lets kick the frequency to 10 MHz. A full wave antenna is 30 Meters square and a 1/4 wave antenna would be 7.5 Meters square. So, what I am trying to say here is you need to identify what frequency energy you are trying to catch, then design the receiver to fit that frequency. Obviously trying to snatch 60 Hertz power signals is not going to be practical because it would require a 5000 Kilometer antenna. This is why higher frequencies are needed for this type of device, and also why Tesla worked with high frequencies. Both Tesla and Moray claimed to be able to receive Cosmic Rays and down convert them to Direct Current. Cosmic Rays are around 1 THz (Terahertz). A 1 THz (1000 GHz) antenna would be 300 Micrometers, a little easier to deal with, except that you need a microscope to see it...
All things are possible when enough brain power is applied...
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Lets goto the hardware store...
We'll pick the biggest sheet of aluminum that they have, say 1 meter square. We take the sheet of aluminum and bolt it to a 1.5 inch by 10 foot long PVC tube. This will be our antenna. If we consider this to be 1/4 wave antenna then our full wave size is 4 Meters Square. Then we'll convert that to its equivalent frequency which is 75 MHz. So our Home Depot Planar Antenna is good for snagging signals 75 Mhz and up. We'll bolt the Antenna up in a high place, for me would be on top of my greenhouse. I already have a mast there for my Weather Station. Also, when your at the hardware store, get a 6 foot long piece of iron rebar. We'll pound that into the ground for our ground connection. Need a clamp for that also...
Now all we have to do is put together a circuit...
The most simple circuit is to attach the antenna and the ground on opposite sides of a big, high voltage cap. Then use a switch to transfer the charge to another cap isolated by a diode...
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The above circuit (a broadband receiver) will build up a charge until you flip the switch and then dump the charge so the diode doesn't need to be very fast. But, if you build the receiver to oscillate then you are going to need fast diodes. The 1N400X series is not fast enough to do radio frequencies. This next circuit is going to oscillate because there is a Tank Circuit in it. The Cap and the Inductor will alternately charge and discharge, and you can scavenge power with a rectifier diode. This is almost the same thing as a radio receiver, except that we are storing the received energy rather than converting it to sound...
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We can also use a transformer in the Tank Circuit so that we can step up or step down the received voltages...
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Then to make the scavenger part more efficient use a bridge rectifier there on the output side...
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Very good zmonkey. To the point with no bsing. I'm reminded of something, if I'm not mistaken you have placed a radiant barrier on your attic. Wouldn't it be interesting if you hooked that as an antenna and see what it gives. It would be ironic to be called a radiant barrier when it becomes a radiant receiver ;D .
Also zmonkey it might be way more effective if you actually pulsed the antenna at the resonating frequency, if I understand tesla's work this might make your antenna look like a low resistance path to earth, thus more energy will be absorbed than if you didn't pulse it.
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LOL! I was just thinking about that...
Say the rooftop is 25 Meters square. If we consider this a 1/4 wave antenna then the full wave length is 100 Meters. Convert that to the frequency and we have 3 Mhz. That would be a considerable antenna for this...
Awesome!
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Hi There!
I never before heard Tesla's specific version of the "get electricity from nature" (particularly Sun, cosmic rays and earth).
I've seen incarnations: Earth batteries ... different apparatus including gigantic coils, antennaes, etc.
But this article I found seems QUITE EASY and simple to replicate.
AN excerpt:
Tesla patented his free-energy receiver in 1901 as An Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy. The patent refers to the sun as well as other sources of radiant energy, e.g. cosmic rays. The device functioning at night is explained in terms of the availability of nighttime cosmic rays. Tesla also refers to the ground as "a vast reservoir of negative electricity."
How Tesla’s Radiant Energy Receiver works
An electrical potential exists between the elevated plate (positive) and the ground (negative) plate, energy is accumulated and builds within the capacitor and, after "a suitable time interval the accumulated energy will "manifest itself in a powerful discharge" which can do work. According to Tesla, the capacitor should be "of considerable electrostatic capacity and its dielectric made of the best quality mica, for it has to withstand potentials that could rupture a weaker dielectric.
I include a diagram: H. Plauson’s Conversion Of Atmospheric Electric Energy 1921
The whole thing is down here: http://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/id9.html
It states that you can do useful things with the captured energy .... does anyone got any idea on quantification ? how many amps / hour / voltage, etc ? I am tempted to replicate this.
Regards,
SigmaX
the 20kv diode can onmitted (un-need) because the electrostatic charge that can take (suck) from the antenna have this own staic polarity, and is not alternating !! (it is static DC !
G Pese
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I recently revisited the data on Tesla’s Radiant Energy Receiver recently.
I think that an important aspect of the invention is missing from current attempts at duplication.
That aspect is the fact that the energy will really show up when the collector plate is negatively charged.
That subject is covered well in the following video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8)
It seems, back then, an electrophorus was used to make the plate negatively charged.
So, I tried to think of ways of negatively charging the plate.
I looked into what causes static electricity and turbo electric materials...
Rabbit fur tops the list on the positive charge side.
Teflon tops the list on the negative charge side.
It seems that a good solution would be to coat the plate with possibly a spray/paint Teflon that is a negative turbo electric, and it will act as an insulator for the collector.
Next, place some rabbit fur on a disk, and use a small motor to spin the disk over the Teflon coated area.
This should bring about a strong negative charge to the collector plate. Which will coax larger amounts of radiant energy into it which will then release into the capacitor.
This set up kind of reminds me of the Teslika device.
If it works, the amount of energy required to run the motor that rubs the rabbit fur on the collector plate will be much less that the incoming rush of energy from the environment.
Hmmm... ???
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I recently revisited the data on Tesla’s Radiant Energy Receiver recently.
I think that an important aspect of the invention is missing from current attempts at duplication.
That aspect is the fact that the energy will really show up when the collector plate is negatively charged.
That subject is covered well in the following video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geYfUHh6nD8)
It seems, back then, an electrophorus was used to make the plate negatively charged.
So, I tried to think of ways of negatively charging the plate.
I looked into what causes static electricity and turbo electric materials...
Rabbit fur tops the list on the positive charge side.
Teflon tops the list on the negative charge side.
It seems that a good solution would be to coat the plate with possibly a spray/paint Teflon that is a negative turbo electric, and it will act as an insulator for the collector.
Next, place some rabbit fur on a disk, and use a small motor to spin the disk over the Teflon coated area.
This should bring about a strong negative charge to the collector plate. Which will coax larger amounts of radiant energy into it which will then release into the capacitor.
This set up kind of reminds me of the Teslika device.
If it works, the amount of energy required to run the motor that rubs the rabbit fur on the collector plate will be much less that the incoming rush of energy from the environment.
Hmmm... ???
You are perfectly Right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI
****BLESS ALL****
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You are perfectly Right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI)
****BLESS ALL****
Thanks energia9.
Here is an optimization on the idea...
Rather than using the rabbit fur. Use a pin-forest that emits negative ions on one side of the plate.
Use a pin-forest that emits positive ions on the other side of the plate.
Use digital switching to control the appropriate application of positive and negative charges to the collector plate.
The negative charge pulsing primes the plate creating a vacuum.
The positive charge pulsing starts the ionic avalanche of energy into the collector.
As I understand it, it can be difficult to control a large in-rush of radiant charge.
Maybe this design would allow for greater control.
hmmm... time to start experimenting... ???
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I came across the following patent...
Solar Irradiance Inductive Expeller...
US 2010/0006133 A1
- Claims 60% and more Efficiency.
- Not PhotoVoltaic.
- Collectors are bathed in ionized zones.- 4 to 5.5 percent of obtained solar energy go to self-supply for feeding exciting coils, electrostatic ionizers, primary coils for transducers, antenna, solenoids' servos, electric battery charging, and various losses.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Y3XLAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=7053576&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmOCT6zXIbD9iQKE3t2fAw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=7053576&f=false
Seems to me like a highly optimized Radiant Energy Receiver.
Cool stuff...
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I think that the key of free enrfy is in the ions. Radiant energy receiver receives ions. Henry Moray says that it is ions not electrons.