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Title: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on January 29, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
I must start this thread because everywhere I go people are building other devices and this is usually not what others are exploring.
My Name is Zane, I live in Clovis Ca.
51 yrs old this mo.
I am to the point of actually charging caps, and having a ball at it.
Larger caps charge faster than smaller ones, thus suggesting a measurable advantage using larger caps.
If you are currently building a DS plasma globe I want you here to colaberate with.
This is showing where I have am currently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb_V3wu32x0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb_V3wu32x0)

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Paul-R on January 29, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I must start this thread because everywhere I go people are building other devices and this is usually not what others are exploring.
There are three Don Smith threads on this site. The Search box will take you there.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on January 30, 2010, 02:51:58 AM
What Paul, you want me to justify why I am starting this thread, again.....
this is a place where I am starting from, the plasma from the Globe.
If you or anyone else wants to start with a HV module do it, but what I intend on exposing here is, how we can accomplish this project from the plasma globe.

I personally chose the plasma globe for a few different reasons, One As long as I have known them being around as a passive novelty. Never would harm anyone.   I saw this probably 40 years ago. da da da da da..
I wanted to start from a source that we all felt had no power.

When most everybody has dropped this and moved onto the NST's and such I will stay here and find what DS said was here.
If you read through the other threads you will find everyone who had tried a plasma globe has moved to something else.
We are all still trying to find what don said was here "in that I agree not to move". so if that is what you want to do, feel free.
Do you remember when NT first discovered the radiant energy? I am speaking of the enormous energy coming from the generators before he hooked up the helix coil, you could feel the energy, powerful, intimidating to approach, etc.
I have felt that sort of power before and if I can just grab hold of a small part of it from the plasma globe. I could rebuild the garden of Eden in the death valley desert.
I am simply trying to find a comfortable place to post my observations and testing, where I will not be slamed by someone who, "is not building a plasma globe device." My posts are usually off topic for various reasons that deal with this issue.
There is great information on these threads also, "I am not degrading their value in any way by starting this thread".
These threads should recombine at some time because supposedly we can accomplish this same task by following the directions. What ever there are of the directions. Its obvious to everyone who knows of the various designs of DS's that each device is operated from the various laws DS has proposed exist.
I was happy to start where I wanted to, where I was theoretically, and skills wise.  I chose the plasma globe because it looked to have the clearest directions.

This thread is where quarterbacks rule. 

I have learned so much from people on this forum, I have learned to experiment with what I have, try things that are not written, innovate, think outside the box, all kinds of things. This has been totally invaluable, I have watched people stumble and fall, get up and get set for another play. The people who will succeed are those who can get set for the next play, and do not want to discourage others for doing what their mind tells them to try. Quarteback rules......

don't make me slam you. I am not an idiot! if you would have been to the other threads, you could have seen I have been there too. you've been benched!

If I don't get enough comrodery here I will go someplace else.
whoopee!
Thanks for your "not" input.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2010, 03:34:59 AM
Zane

Sweet   ;D

Thanks for sharing, I hope you keep posting your findings here.

 Chet
PS
Don't ever argue with an idiot ,they'll bring you down to their level
and then they have the home field advantage  ;D

[just something funny I heard today]
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Judges on January 30, 2010, 04:13:58 AM
Yes by all means continuie,,who knows,,,some one might learn something,,,or not,,,,in any case please continuie.I have dropped my HV Plasma brute strength project for the time being,
Capicators are interesting,,,diodes are interesting,leds are interesting,,,show it to us,we will watch.
Thanks
Joe.
Title: Circuit clarifications
Post by: h2ocommuter on January 31, 2010, 05:19:47 AM
I neglected to show a pic of the spark gap bread board so hear it is.
Next is the new circuit with only one side of the L-2.
No matter what I have tried it has not given any added value.
So I just stopped using it, for now.

The modifications stated are these; turn the rectifier around, take out the SG.
As I know nothing about electronics I could not see how the other way worked, this one is more clearly understood.

The drawbacks are associated with being able to measure a Tesla. without the spark gap no magnetic values are evident. until I start producing large amounts of energy I may not be able to. we will see....

Funny thing is the capacitors; 200V 220 uf and the 400 v 24 uf caps both charge to 165 V,  I should note here, These capacitors charge right up to this level and just stop charging.
The 400v charges in 11 sec while the 200v takes 2 min.
The little 50v 1uf charges instantaneously to 100v and carries the charge without unloading when shorted. 
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2010, 10:13:42 AM
Hey H2O

I had seen in a Don Smith vid where he put coil on top of a plasma globe, but didnt show the result, he just said, do this and your in business.
I have a lil 2 inch plasma globe you can get at PepBoys that you plug into a lighter socket. Well I bought one to test this.
After taking the clear plastic protective sphere apart, 2 halves, I put a lil coil of wire on top of the globe and sure enough, a spark jumps off the coil end an actually burns my finger, you can smell it. lol

I hadnt thought to put a diode on it thinking it wouldnt take the hv. What voltage are your diodes?

Also from another thread, someone asked about plasma globe, wire coil and a light bulb. Where is that thread?
Well now that I think about it, the spark was so hot that it just may light a filament bulb.
The hv wire that goes to the globe really burns stuff.  Thin wire melts like solder.
I will try the light bulb test today and post my results with a vid.

If it does light the bulb, the battery current that it takes to do it, will be far less than the bulb needs at 120v.

Thanks for showing  =]

Mags
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 31, 2010, 02:06:37 PM
Also from another thread, someone asked about plasma globe, wire coil and a light bulb. Where is that thread?
Well now that I think about it, the spark was so hot that it just may light a filament bulb.
The hv wire that goes to the globe really burns stuff.  Thin wire melts like solder.
I will try the light bulb test today and post my results with a vid.

If it does light the bulb, the battery current that it takes to do it, will be far less than the bulb needs at 120v.

Thanks for showing  =]

Mags
it was me on the jt thread. as no one replied other than ist, i look forward to your results.

you don't actually need a coil on top of your plasma ball to pull a spark/arc, anything metal will do. a pop can, a alligator clip wrapped around the globe and clipped to itself, etc.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2010, 02:41:03 PM
Hey Wilby
I did see it here at OU then.  I looked but couldnt find.

So should I wrap the globe in foil to get more?  I have 2 of them, one with the globe and the other just the power supply, due to the globe broke when the bag slipped off the table.  Ill try both direct and outer globe pickup.

Mags
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 31, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
how does this work?
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Paul-R on January 31, 2010, 02:44:42 PM
What Paul, you want me to justify why I am starting this thread, again.....
this is a place where I am starting from, the plasma from the Globe.
Take a look at these. The globe has been discussed. I point out the two circuits interlocked by a transformer which all need to resonate one with another:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4233.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=502.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7837
Paul-R
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2010, 04:15:42 PM
Wilby
Howd ya do that?  Did you make a run to Pepboys?  =]

So it does work

Mags
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2010, 06:36:13 PM
Hey Wilby
I tried the lil plasma globe and it wasnt enough to light a bulb, tried a couple.

Mags
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 31, 2010, 08:55:12 PM
Wilby
Howd ya do that?  Did you make a run to Pepboys?  =]

So it does work

Mags
i think it works because i'm an idiot (according to some of this sites knowitalls).  nope, i didn't make a run to pepboys :)

yup it works, but shouldn't we have about 40 more pages of speculation by milehigh, grumpy, poynty, marco, yucca, etc. about why it doesn't/can't work?

edit: my plasma globe is wall powered, 8' globe (approx) and the bulb will not light if the globe is not removed.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: FatBird on February 01, 2010, 12:36:10 AM
Thank you for the Plasma Video.  I too have monkeyed around with a Plasma Lamp, and the best I could do was light up a 4 foot long Fluorescent Bulb by holding it in my hand and touching the Plasma Lamp with one end of the bulb.

I never tried your spark plug spark gap, which is a great idea.  Try wrapping some aluminum foil around your Plasma Lamp and fasten your wire to that.  That worked best for me for maximum output.

You mentioned that your capacitor voltage went up and down.  That is because only AC comes off of Plasma Lamps, and Caps need DC to charge them up.  So maybe you should try placing a Diode in between the Spark Plug and Capacitor.

.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Magluvin on February 01, 2010, 10:43:24 PM
More plasma globe things to do

http://www.instructables.com/id/Amazing-plasma-globe-tricks-that-you-never-knew-be/


Mags
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 04, 2010, 04:31:21 AM
Take a look at these. The globe has been discussed. I point out the two circuits interlocked by a transformer which all need to resonate one with another:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4233.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=502.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7837
Paul-R

I stand corrected.  I have been on other forums and  different threads commented there, I stand by starting this thread as a plasma globe research area.
No condemnation meant, I do appreciate your links.  Wings has done some wonderful things with his globe.
I am doing everything to keep abreast of what is and has been discovered about DS work, and the plasma globe in particular.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 04, 2010, 06:01:17 AM
@Magluvin,
I am pretty much oblivious to the correct nomenclature when it comes to electronics so I will tell you everything I am using so you can decide what I have operating my circuit.
I am using an NTE 125 SI general purpose rectifier 1000V max  50A max and the LED is a 18mcd - 5mm linrose super brite B4304H5, 2.15 Vf @ 20ma

@ FatBird,
The up and down I read on my meter is at the top end of the charged caps. That is to say my plasma globe will not add any more voltage to the high value of the charge therein.
This video is showing how fast the caps are charging with a considerable amount of voltage. 
I tested the amperage on the discharge of these caps today  "under 200 V", and this measurement is well over 300A.
This reading is being picked up using a 400 Ampere analog meter.  I'll send video shortly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYaFdHQYuI&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYaFdHQYuI&feature=channel)

@ all,
As I am trying to really understand what in the world is going on with All of this magnetic flux jargon, The Static electricity,,, And whatever is actually coming from the L-2 on top the plasmaglobe. and my circuit......
I guess it is not important at this point, being as I really have nothing yet.... but if I get something for the 30 watts my plasma globe uses to run. I hope someone will explain to me how and what my circuit is doing.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: innovation_station on February 05, 2010, 05:15:34 AM
pretty kool topic ... 

bet this is a TESLA toy !   

need a pattend? 

lol

is that a blowen bulb will ?  1 wire in the dirt?   lol

lol 

: )

W
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 05, 2010, 05:29:08 AM
OK,
when trying to get various readings on the amperes during discharge of the caps around 15 joules I took a jolt through my ring finger. this shock felt like A/C the pulsing feeling was there. I did not like that too much so I put it in a J-box and isolated the risk.
By the way using this setup, "with the first circuit"; now called the "A" circuit; the ccw 6 turn L-2, the amperes is 1 1/2 times the voltage stored in the caps. More testing to reduce the amps will continue.

I know at this point I can get the voltage and the amperage to run my 12KVA isolation transformer. the next step will be driving the discharge pulses through the IT. Induction at this point is a no brain-er.

I am going to figure out how to build another circuit that will discharge the caps in a closed system. No need to use it to power anything.  The induction is all that we need to do to the isolation transformer to work. As per Dons' directions.

Clearly defined goals, obtainable objectives. God speed. health and happiness. best wishes....
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Paul-R on February 05, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
You should remember that you are dealing with an LR circuit driven by an alternating driver source.

Tegherfore, there will be a resonant frequency. You need to run at that frequency.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 05, 2010, 11:35:47 PM
Paul thanks for the input,
I am only partially confident that the place I am taking the Freq reading is correct, it is around 15.1 khz. Oh, please forgive my arrogance, As we all know many EE, et al professional and experimenters have tried to accomplish what I am with little to no success. I am not too concerned with the resonance just yet. time will tell if that is what I eventually get to.  That being said I am only somewhat competent with testing and parts arraignment.
I really do not have a clue as to what I am really doing with this device.
Sure I am getting results but for me to explain what I have is only by trial and error.
This thing is really getting dangerous. I took another jolt from this thing today I got it on video and oochi wa wa 700 V well over that in amperes.
I will post that video when I get calmed down.......
I changed the circuit and the caps charge two to three times faster.  400V in 10 to 12 sec.

I must put more things together to make it safer and safer..
This thing is starting to get my respect! I have picked up many bad habits handling wires before I made the circuit so now at this stage, I cannot afford to get sloppy....
I must slow down and be conscientious about this being a power supply unit!!!!!!!

Please everyone this is my most sincere direction about this circuit be careful!
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 06, 2010, 03:20:16 AM
Here is the video of the new circuit. it is working ok.
I will try to clean up my act and not get shocked again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rOsELFyZnM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rOsELFyZnM)


h2ocommuter.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 06, 2010, 04:01:11 AM
@ Mags and wilbe,
I am not ignoring you guys I am dumber than both of you guys.
I can't make any sort of light light.
I have done a bunch of looking on utube and the instructables before now and picked up some incites I do not want to try. The one guy on tube had a long list of comments where  I learned a bunch of stuff that will melt a hole in the glass, things like that I do not want to try. just putting your finger on the globe when it is in high resonance will cause it to get warm.
There also is the fact my wife told me I was going to ruin it.
She is funny, I don't abuse it or anything, but she had to say that. Like she wanted to put some gri gri on my project or jinx it. I have to be carefull not to break my PWM plasma globe.

Thanks guys for the input.

The reading I took today before the new circuit design came out like this...
From the L-2 through the circuit;
The time it takes to get voltages of 100, 200, and 300 are as followes;
Bottom of L-2 = 3, 6, and 19 sec.
Top of L-2 = 3, 8, and 22 sec.
I realize I will need to accomplish this at a much faster rate when this thing is pulsing the IT but OK for now.
I will take the readings on the new circuit tomarrow to see if these charging rates are faster.

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: Paul-R on February 06, 2010, 02:55:57 PM
I am not too concerned with the resonance just yet.
Its OK to feel your way in the dark. We all do this. But most stuff to do with Tesla, including Don Smith, needs resonance to get results. The circuit needs to be tuned.

I wonder if you play the guitar? If you have a guitar that is properly in tune, then when you play the lowest 6th string, the highest first string will also sound off. (Best noticed with strings 2,3,4, and 5 damped). If the guitar is not properly tuned, then when the low string is plucked, the top one will be silent.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 06, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
Paul Thanks,
I remember my brother doing that guitar thing.
I remember when they were tuning up they would sot of get the strings into a harmonic balance. I do know what you are talking about.
Not to deviate here because I do believe it is important, I do not have the concept of tuning for resonance yet inside a circuit.  Most of the resonance stuff I have read sounds pretty basic as far as taking readings and measurement and then adjusting them all so the "I will say it my way", mechanical reverberations are in an equilibrium or harmonic balance.
I cleaned up my bench and stray hooked up wires and Satetyfied the operation today, after yesterday getting that huge shock it really sobered me up about this operation.
So anyway after that I probed around to find out how far back the HV went in my circuit. and to my surprise it does go all the way into the feed side of the spark gap. This means it is in my circuit also.  This explains why I have blown all but one of my LED's.

Anyway next to revamping the grounding switch for discharging the caps manually I incorporated the isolation transformer. Now when I discharge the caps the IT is pulsed as DS has said. With another analogue light meter set on the two Hot leads on the output side the meter is lit up.  The lights that are lighting up are the 400 hz and others but this is very premature to make any definitions about it except that point DS made about only pulsing the IT for it to work.

I hope you are viewing the videos as this may help communicate what you see I should adjust in my operation.

Now back to the voltage readings at the input side of the SG;
when grounding the caps the voltages are immediately over 300 upon opening the circuit. "My God I need to be careful".
If this was not an anomaly I will show it on the video

Thanks Paul.

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: bw on February 06, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
nice work h2oc.  good progress.  Paul is right about resonance,  google "energy sucking antenna"  Try tuning your L2 coil with a resistor to match the frequency of the ball, use the charts from the ARRL to find what resistor you need to hit the target freq.

p.s. keep one hand in your pocket, when you get it right it can kill without warning;  Careful Brother. 
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 07, 2010, 05:17:13 AM
How sad, I fried my massive 400 VDC ammeter.

I was adding perspectives into my databank Brain and came across some novel realizations about capacitor charging and displacement of voltages inside the bank.
While moving onto other information and adding to the databank I progressed from 3 to 4 caps and down to one cap.
The data was interresting and predictable on some values. others were unpredicted and unforeseen. 
This is what snuck up on my operation. as found before, "more space for the magnetic resonance input", the substance moves more easily into storage. So reducing that storage area requires more time to force it in....
At that point of reduction the discharge is more compact in magnetic value so at much lower voltages 300 % increase in amperes is observed. 50 V = 350 A when discharged. At this point I found letting the voltages go to 75 Volts resulted in the ammeter gauge moving so fast that it was nearly invisible pegging, but then as it was returning to zero the movement would slow enough to reapear about half way back. If you would dare to believe it.   Well That did not sink into my thick skull soon enough.  It seemed impervious to these types of discharges. I looked at this gauge many times during these tests and decided to move on to see how much voltage the unit would charge this certain cap. 800V 20.1 uF This discharge fu fu fried it.
This would have been nice device to use to measure output coming out of the IT.

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: bw on February 07, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
very interesting findings on cap charge times, thanks for posting.
bw
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: FatBird on February 07, 2010, 04:29:45 PM
@ H2OCommuter,   How sad, I fried my massive 400 VDC ammeter.


====================================================================

The reason it fried is because the sensitive meter is typically a 50 mV meter (.050 V).  That meter was designed to connect to a High Current all metal Shunt that takes the brunt of the current.  When 400 Amps goes thru the Shunt it produces 50 mV which deflects the meter appropriately.  200 Amps will put out 25 mV to the meter, etc.

The 2 big bolts connect the high current cables and the 2 small screws go to the sensitive meter.  The ends of the Shunt and bolts are Nickel plated Steel & the center part is thick copper plate.

In fact, if you look at your meter real close, you will see 50 mV in very small print.

.

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 07, 2010, 05:19:31 PM
@BW,
I am glad you found that interesting, I have other observations about the caps that you may find curious too.
I figured I would measure the charging and discharging values inside the caps directly before and after discharge.
This is how it looked.The first cap closest to the spark gap; I have discussed before say 5 to 600V, the next cap, would be considerably less in charge say 200V the third would be 25V or so and the last cap closest to the ammeter through the IT and them to ground would have just mv. Upon discharge the bank, first cap as discussed would virtually fully discharge; the next cap would reverse the voltage and start counting backwords until zero and then recharge in a positive manner, the third cap acted similar with less value and the fourth cap would measure indifferent, not necessarily static but near .01 mv stable.

@FatBird,
I will certainly get a shunt for that type of operation if I am able to get this ammeter fixed or find another. What I find on the back of the meter are two big 5/16 fine thread wire adapter studs. They are so massive I never thought of using a tiny wire to feed them.

Is a shunt like, or actually a resistor?

Thanks
h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: bw on February 08, 2010, 04:22:19 AM
thank you for sharing all your findings, caps are cool and bad to the bone at the same time. 
I was surprised to see the 400+ amps reading on the youtube thing.  Sorry about burnout.
go Saints       who dat
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 09, 2010, 06:50:17 PM
I have been going through the details and considerations about rectifying the circuit. I posted a video that defines my findings roughly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BorxRV0Nk4&feature=email (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BorxRV0Nk4&feature=email)

What I have said is not absolutely correct but as I refine my understanding I will generally change how I describe the operation.

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: sparks on February 09, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
  Another way to measure lots of current does not use the voltage dropped across the resistor sometimes called a shunt.  It measures the field distortion around the conductor.  Basically a permanent magnet pulling against a spring.  The permanent magnet attempts to align with the magnetic field  disruption around a current carrying conductor.  This is a very non intrusive way to experience current flows.  The magnetic field is going to be warped no matter if the pm is there or not so why not move the magnet while you are at it.  The primary winding is doing work of some sort like lighting a bulb or some other resistance phenomenon or spinning a huge dc electric motor.  The magnetic field disruption is creating a second field from which energy can be drawn.  Just start cycling the primary current flow and the permanent magnets start dancing.  Good way to cycle the flow is have it stop entirely after charging a capacitor.  Then reverse flow as the capacitor is discharged into an inductive load.  Meanwhile the magnets are having a hell of a ride observing all this action. 


Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 10, 2010, 12:00:20 AM
Sparks, I am laughing at myself uncontrollably,
I see the words but I am blind as in pitch black.  I like the presentation it congers up all kinds of pictures but I cannot see it.
Could you make a picture of it, or a video.?
I have a 400A clamp but I cannot get it to take a reliable reading for the life of me.

I tried loading a 12 V squirle cage motor and all it did was blow my LED's in my circuit. if I insert a diode there; I may be able to use it, "the cap charge" the way you are saying.

I am going to do another video showing an 800+ v charge in a 370 v cap as I discharge this you may be able to direct my thinking the correct way to utilize this power..
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: sparks on February 10, 2010, 02:04:12 AM
h20

    This is all doable.  The currents circulating in the capacitor inductor network can be millions of times the currents circulating through the battery input circuit. 
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 10, 2010, 05:40:53 AM
Thanks A,

This is clearly a cap in a parallel circuit, that being said I have been charging my caps in series.
So I will need to change the configuration around a bit to get it right.
I was under the impression caps only charge when they are in a series configuration. When they are in parallel they go + and - back and forth. is that correct?
I will redesign my brain and see if I can accomplish what you have shown.

Oh! before I get too carried away with this analogy I want to clearly state the protocol of my objective. I do not want disregard anything you or anyone else has to offer, at any time or any place, unless you are a smurf. then I would not care to let you fall off a cliff before I rescued you.

# 1 First of all I would like to learn to pump an enclosed circuit using the plasma globe. I have demonstrated on the utube videos I can build up verifiable amounts of electrical and magnetic matter. 
# 2 I simply want to pulsate this energy through the IT in this closed circuit.  I do not want to harvest this energy by utilizing it to power a bulb, motor, or other device unless it relates to achieving #1
# 3 After achieving #'s 1 and 2, I will search the annuls of time or heaven itself to figure out how to push the water up the hill.
it may be as simple as DS has said.... let the more negative come from the earth to the circuit with use of a veractor on the output side of the IT ground.

Now back to your advice.
As I hopefully understand your drawing correctly; the pm would be positioned at the precise distance to move the weight / needle along its path to its maximum travel and this would be the greatest reading that the shunt/ resistor/ wire would be exciting the pm. thus when the circuit is in operation driving a HF motor , a light , or other device the magnetic effect will be greater or less pulling or pushing on the pm (amperage).
and displaying a calculable difference to the zero position.
If this is absolutely correct I think I've got it.

This tact of mine is probably all incorrect as I think about it.
There is a possibility I am searching for the wrong information.
DS has shown and mentiond umpteen many time he uses an electrostatic voltmeter to determine if these devices are working as designed. Even though I have one, I have not taken any readings lately on my circuit operation. Just thinking out-loud

Thanks Sparks.
Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 10, 2010, 07:57:41 AM
I have posted another two video's one showing 800 V cap charges and 1000+V cap charges being charged from the plasma globe.
I have determined one cap is not working like the other three and nearly blew another cap apart, but didn't.

I know I have a very long way to go here but I am satisfied for now.
I just needed to let you know.

I am going to try to learn how to use the parallel configuration to get me back to AC. going through the caps.

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 10, 2010, 08:12:20 AM
I have posted another two video's one showing 800 V cap charges and 1000+V cap charges being charged from the A globe.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l57c4Zlots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l57c4Zlots)
I have determined one cap is not working like the other three and nearly blew another cap apart, but didn't.

I know I have a very long way to go here but I am satisfied for now.
I just needed to let you know. untill I can get some much larger caps I cannot try to go any further driving this plasma globe energy into these caps in series.

I am going to try to learn how to use the parallel configuration to get me back to AC. Or said differently, I think this will froce me to go back to A/C

I know Don was manipulating the electricty from AC to DC and bach in some of his devices, again not sure if I need to convert to AC. just yet.
One of his plasma globe pictures suggests yes, and the directions suggest not.

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 12, 2010, 02:10:19 AM
You should remember that you are dealing with an LR circuit driven by an alternating driver source.

There fore, there will be a resonant frequency. You need to run at that frequency.

Question @ Paul,
http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/
This link has to do with resonance of an LC circuit. This calculator will convert all values relating to directions from DS. Proposed directions are in the handbook of electronic tables and formulas. The nomographs...
 As I read up on the LR circuit:
An RL circuit is one that contains only resistors and inductors. The simplest possible RL circuit is the series circuit.
 I am wondering if this is an out of place comment or just how did you propose I understand this information?

I am not being flippant I just want to understand how to apply what you have suggested. On the other hand if this was an attempt to see if I was thinking ... it worked and I appreciate it. Theretoo if this was a ploy to see if I would try to take advice and learn more, that worked too.
Below is a list of measurements needed to accomplish my task using the above mentioned book and calculator in the link. This objective has taken quite a while to validate mathematically the Nomographs in this book. As I cannot do the math longhand.
# 1, The 120 Hz for the IT (This calculation gives me the required Hz to pump the IT with magnetic flux.  Requiring one resistor. This may be an LR circuit.
# 2, the resonant freq. of the plasma globe. with the L-2. This is as accurate as I can get at this point. "22,525 Hz", 
# 3, The HF need to pump the L-2 to accomplish the 240 Volts using the Globe, this will take 1.7 MHz .. The previous two I think would include the capacitors, making it an LCR circuit.

Quote from DS. The Farads and Henrys of the resonant system provide the
resonant frequency when pulsed by an external energy system.
  A system shunt in the resonant circuit sets the containment
level for energy potential.

Don states this as a timing formula T = RC   and    T = L/R   
    T = Frequency   in cycles per second
    C = Capacitance in microfarads
    L = Inductance  in millihenries
    R = Resistance  in Ohms
And this:
           Desired Voltage     
      _________________     = Required Frequency in hertz     
 
 Capacitance in Microfarads

Now, above are many gaps in my knowledge base and structural writing. Instead of trying to fix all of that first may I ask you a theoretical question.
Would you determine the closed and open parts of the plasma globe circuit  as you understand it.
yes it sounds like a test question but simply it is strictly for a conceptual understanding for me.
This will tell me what I am not understanding of your post.

For instance the way I see it the plasma globe itself is a closed circuit.
The crown on top, I call my L-2 connected to my capacitor bank and resistor would be another closed circuit. "LCR".
Third, the IT, the spark gap and resistor would be another closed circuit. "LR".

If I have written the answer and don't understand it, so-be-it no reply necessary.

Thanks Paul
Zane


Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 18, 2010, 04:55:55 AM
OK here is the process proposed by DS for my particular IT.

I will explain it in total.
What I am going to ask of the professional EE's is a direction about how to choose the right description for my cap bank values when ordering these parts.

When using this LC calculator, http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/ (http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/) the last sentence is precisely the explanation DS had so many times referred to when using freq's above 20K Hz.
With this calculator insert the L and T and it will give you the C value. These Measurements align exactly with the Nomograph in the electronic tables and formulas he suggested to use for setting the timing of your application.

The circuit diagram is from NT as Don said to use it to finish your device.


Using this link you will read the curious question about changing freq. changed by using a resistor, "in so many words". http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/vres.htm (http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/vres.htm)
Rheostat
 
This is the simplest way of using a variable resistor. Two terminals are used: one connected to an end of the track, the other to the moveable wiper. Turning the spindle changes the resistance between the two terminals from zero up to the maximum resistance.
Rheostats are often used to vary current, for example to control the brightness of a lamp or the rate at which a capacitor charges. 

Many difficulties occur when trying to incorporate a resistor into a closed circuit as you all  know. what Don has done is by leaving the spark gap in the circuit the closed circuit will not short itself out. thus allowing the magnetic occurrence to flow in the circuit.
 
I do not expect any grief just yet. I on the other hand would like some help choosing the in depth criteria for my capacitor bank.  Expert EE's Wanted!
 
Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 18, 2010, 06:53:17 AM
I will be more clear with my findings about the variables as stated by DS. I admit I have not figured it out.
Here are three scenarios I want to try.

# 1. 120 CPS = 60 Hz with It = .1352 H shows a 95 ohm resistor giving us a 13 uF cap.

# 2. L-2 =12.55uH with Globe naturally cycles at 22,525 Hz with a 4 uF cap and a 1.9 ohm resistor.

# 3. Required CPS for 240 Volts = 1.7 MHz using the .01255 uH L-2, a .13 ohm resistor and a .07 uF cap

With these variables inserted into the homograph or the previous calculator will show the three tests I want to measure.  This stated, the resistor is emitted.
The capacitor types is where I am having trouble understanding.
Electrolytic, mica, oil filled , paper, omg there are so many choices. I would be wasting my money if I didn't ask.
I can waste my money on testing but not on stupid ignorance.
I have humbled myself can someone help me choose?

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 26, 2010, 07:35:57 PM
What I have done is using the proposed circuit from DS acquired from NT is, use it for the plasma globe.  Nothing perfect yet. but I have accomplished sending magnetic flux through the IT.
This is preliminary testing; this configuration pumps an unknown DC pulse through the IT. It inductively excites the output side where I have this wired into a circuit breaker box, receptacle, and a normal light bar.  This is all on the test stand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCOiiehk3A

I have made some observations that may clear some abstract peculiarities up. Although no definitive choice has been made I have chosen to analyze the NT circuit. Here is what I find.

Through many tests; I have concluded that no magnetic readings can be obtained without a spark gap.  As there is more than one type of SG, I have chosen to build both types. (With and without earth grounding). These two SG have micro adjustments so, a myriad of intensities can be obtained. With the earth grounding SG, I use 316 SS because it has nearly no magnetic attraction. I should continue with these advantages. You can vary the gap to where the spark is barely able to jump and this causes less Tesla. Closing the gap will emit more Tesla. Note, The ambient + or - values are not easily readable with my Gauss meter. So at this point I am satisfied with this meter. Furthermore, The freq can be adjusted in the same manner; less didstance faster commute. more distance longer commute.  POW. play on words!
Now the positioning of the SG is pretty important. Being that it is next to the IT. And I should mention that this is an air gap, not a earth grounding SG as pictured. 

As things go , I will hypothesize that using an earth grounding will absorb a certain type of ambient background energy; probably more neg, and the air grounding will absorb the less negative ambient energy.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: starcruiser on February 26, 2010, 11:03:27 PM
@h20,

Let me start out by saying that I watched your vid's and I am impressed, keep at it!

Are those resistor plugs? Thought I would ask since that might skew your results if they are.

A few thoughts to share with you...

Why not use a few pieces of iron bar (round stock) for the electrodes instead? grab some 1/4" or 3/16" stuff from home depot.

Have you thought about adding another coil into the design? the DS design shows a centertapped coil (transformer) just an observation. Plenty of variable to try I am sure. I am trying the replication of DS's design using a tesla coil instead of a NST. I will see how that goes.

Good luck
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on February 26, 2010, 11:55:14 PM
@ Starcruser,

I don't feel the need to deviate much from the written directions for the plasma globe.
What I am validating are the initiations DS has put forth in his literature.
NOI, no offence intended, The centertap aircore coil or the centertap neon sign transformer are for other various devices.
The only drawing, video or lit. about a centertapped transformer is the suitcase output transformer. "as far as I can find". I have turned my IT around so I can pump it through the centertap and see if the respective more neg. and less neg. will collect from the respective SG's
The plugs are not resistor plugs, I chose plugs for mounting ease, and longevity. these off the shelf parts, and are virtually indestructible with the pressure I am driving them with. I think.
If I have major problems I will fab what you are suggesting.

I have wound two other coils that seem to work less effective but when I get a circuit working to its optimal I change out the coils to see if another will outperform the one I am using. I have stacked them up working at the same time and the results are there too. So realistically there is plenty of room to find more energy if that is desired.
I can validate 1/2 of the output in Tesla's' DS insisted were emanating from the globe and my meter is hammered. So I am sure this globe will put out 400 mG. Lets remember that equates to 40,000 RMS.
My IT will only accommodate 12,000 RMS max. so I need to hold the ponies back to a small 30 % of the overall possible.

What I am doing again is validating what DS has proposed, are the laws of our universe. Physical unequivocal absolute laws.
This will be the objective if you want to reproduce any of these devices. IMHO.

We not only must find the magnetic resonance but be able to manipulate it at will.

(Any spark gap will build massive !!!! magnetic eminence. This magnetic value is pulsed through the IT and there it is, the pulsing of that magnetic value through the IT in the proper dimensions is all we need. to power the system. )
My conjecture and understanding from what DS has proposed we do.

Zane

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 03, 2010, 05:47:54 AM
OK,
I picked up a scope.
I have documented the preliminary signal coming from the Plasma globe.

I am cutting through hard pan dirt with this new ground I am turning over. I have never touched a scope. God how much I have missed!

anyway here are a couple of pics and if you like you can see my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsT93s2gi4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsT93s2gi4)

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 04, 2010, 02:17:51 AM
Allright,
I have put together a vid of the first circuit using the spark gap and displayed them on the scope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7-I0Bpiok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7-I0Bpiok)

Here are two spark gap pics that clearly show this happening

I wanted to include all my findings just to be thorough.
I need to walk my own steps to fully understand what I have accomplished, and to further view clues that I may have missed without the scope. This may be tedious but I feel it is important.
When I get proficient with the scope things should move faster.

The LED is an nte 30040 if anybody cares.

If you haven't looked at the videos do so, I don't like my drivel just flopped out there for too long.

What I have done on the last video and this one is show how the earth ground and the air ground effect the signal from the plasma globe.
I have not displayed much of the Earth grounding because it has so much action within the signal. This is an antiquated scope and just cannot read well enough. Or it may just be me.
I have got a long way to go towards understanding the scope and the signal I am reading.

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 07, 2010, 07:00:07 AM
As things are going slower here, with the many interruptions and preoccupations I am involved with I offer a little video of how I have figured out how to get the signal way more organized.
Here are some pics that show the progression by adjusting the spark gap to a closer position using a grounded spark gap.

The last pic will be on the 20 V range to get the signal to fit onto the screen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKfJoYmfTo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKfJoYmfTo)

Enjoy
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 10, 2010, 06:22:56 AM
Yes things keep moving along, As I slowly progress still examining the first circuits I am finding variations that continue to amaze me.
As the last video showed the signal becoming more organized as the spark gap was narrowed. and the neg. voltage growing. now the signal is more defined into a DC square wave. As Don suggested you need to pulse the IT.

I set up an analogue AC meter on the IT and I measure 120 Volts AC. The hookup is bastardized though. The miligauss was more than enough to get the needed 2.5 necessary for 240 volts.
What did I just say?
I am short the voltage.
I am setting up the electrostatic voltmeter and going to place it around to see what values there are at this stage anyway.
I am jazzed The spark gap is producing good ozone now and I really haven't done anything different. The same two nte 125's and two LED's. I have incorporated the IT into all my testing just in case I find the electricity that is there as Don would say. The last variation I have done is taken both leads from the crown and set them bucking both diodes. then using the two LED's I am feeding the IT ( As a grounding effect) and that has given me these results.
Go figure? 
Lastly I am feeding the spark gap from the bucking side of the circuit.
I will continue to take readings on the earlier circuits until I exhaust all variations. 
I was given the impossible to find manuals for my scope and I need to bone up on its operation.

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?pi=0&ps=20&sf=added&sa=0&dm=1 (http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?pi=0&ps=20&sf=added&sa=0&dm=1)

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 22, 2010, 03:16:31 AM
As things have been going I posted more videos on my utube channel.

These are showing the relationships of the signal coming from the plasma globe, how these signals can be manipulated by the spark gap, How this signal may be separated using a spark gap, how many different signals can be defined within that one signal and so forth.

http://www.youtube.com/user/h2ocommuter?feature=mhw5#p/u/0/XPO0gIVu1jQ

Enjoy

Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 22, 2010, 05:08:11 AM
One of my friends found this today when I was looking for the Eric Dollard video for him

This is way more than I had ever imagined. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZWrjcrPl4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZWrjcrPl4&NR=1)

Enjoy. Get out your notebook to take notes when watching.

Get this out to others in your world.

Working together we can achieve what we set out to do.
Blessings and good will to all.

Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on March 23, 2010, 08:01:59 PM
Video acknowledgements and plasma globe associations.

Recent mentoring notes sent to me,
"Remember that don smiths devices are extremely difficult to understand, you need to be a radio freq. expert."

Gulp!

Then I found the videos... serendipity. A student ready to learn. what ever it is, I am answering the call.

This is what I have been searching for; Someone who actually does know what electricity is, and how it is correctly understood, defined, manipulated and applied; According to NT. DS and others of this elite field.

Here are three ED documents I have acquired today;

1 http://tinyurl.com/yh4eppl (http://tinyurl.com/yh4eppl)
2 http://tinyurl.com/ykj4vkc (http://tinyurl.com/ykj4vkc)
3 http://tinyurl.com/yfolv69 (http://tinyurl.com/yfolv69)

Authors suggested by ED in the viedos:
Steinmetz,  Wheatstone, Sarnov, Bloom, Boiagen, Bulie, Kenely, Heaviside, Maxwell, Faraday and Mc Farlan.

Conclusion;
Needed is the actual arrangement of the signal coming from the plasma globe, or if it is already correct, we as followers have not found how to utilize what is there.
Don has stated to use the parabolic resonance signal, and the pulsed DC square wave from the Diodes. (This last statement is visually applied to the output of the table top design as most people call it. This is directly adapted to the secondary HV center tap sign transformer on the output side of the two hot wires.)  As far as I can find he has suggested no other comonly referred to electrical signals.

I am new to electronics so if I am wrong please set me strait!

I anyone has further documentation, videos or related Authors books mentioned above please post the links.

h2ocommuter


Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on April 12, 2010, 01:41:30 AM
I have finally been able to manipulate the signal into a combonation AC and DC consistant signal where the DC is a consistant V top and Bottom (like a saw tooth but not bent over), absolutely no fine traces inside or outside, The AC has the spark chopping the complex waves in two. Another wild thing is the DC signal is hundreds of volts higher than the center line for the traces?

The electrostatic voltmeter works the same every time I adjust to this special position.

I am using the double grounded spark gap and taking the signal directly from the output side of the IT. This is also where I am using the electrostatic voltmeter.
The readings at that point are consistently 400 to 500 volts. Either one or the other. rock solid depending where I set the two gaps.
Any way I am feeling lousy so I decide to post the findings verbally and I will post pics and video later.

Note; I tested the scope with house current and voltage. The scope figures are not within the calibrated range. Or I just am confused about taking the readings.
My "B" Chanel does not work so maybe that is the problem.
The Manuel says to use the "B" Chanel but I figured the "A" Chanel would be the same.??

Nothing mind bending yet just improvements.

Good day
Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on April 22, 2010, 12:26:53 AM
Ok.
After being sick for a week and going to work I have been all sucked out. Just feeling a bit better and needing to get back to the shop I had my camera all loaded up and did not feel well enough to take the shots I mentioned in my last post. no biggie.
I went through the steps with my circuit to see what the hell I had done. the process seemed to have something to do with the conical coil I put together and doubled back the amplification to the spark gaps. As I removed this to see if the amplification had anything to do with the electrostatic voltmeter working well I discovered a few other things that I have never seen before in my circuit.
Here is a video showing the ESV readings coming from the output side of the IT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aZy8MjgZRk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aZy8MjgZRk)

1480 Neg spikes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO4IdgI0nE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO4IdgI0nE8)
Next and surely the next step after the last post is this one showing the strait DC voltage triggered pos signal and the deflection, or "voltage increase" caused by the spark gap distance through the imbalance of the circuit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reuc-lklWcA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reuc-lklWcA)

This last video is showing how I am finally! able to get a cap to violently discharge on its own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3wTYOPpdM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3wTYOPpdM)

The last video is how the large speaker magnet effects the sparkgaps and what is surely possible when manipulating the magnetic spark apparatus. This has many possibilities and implications about how you want the circuit to perform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-FXrnmdd6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-FXrnmdd6w)
With this view you could imagine what NT was doing with his circuitry.

That being said, I am speculating how he momentarily interrupted the abrupt discharge to produce various impulses.

Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on April 23, 2010, 05:25:17 AM
Hi all,
The light bulb comes on.
As my last post mentioned I finally found the hot button to get the capacitors to automatically discharge.

well, today I found a silent discharge spark and a noisy discharge spark.

The silent one lights the bulb
The noisy one does nothing but get loud.
Here is the video and Yea the same old circuit. nothing but dull information but the system is producing more results.
I blew all my LED's so I did without them and found these results.
go figure.
From the amount of responces I have been getting, I must be on the right track.
I am very happy to be getting the reads.
Thanks everyone for the encouragement. It is something special.
thank you all
Here is the proof of discoveries mentioned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qC03Bqp7GA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qC03Bqp7GA)

h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on April 24, 2010, 03:15:03 AM
Ok, This is the third try at this post.
errors galore...

What I have done is defined the correct way to extract the energy from a capacitor. meaning; This video shows how I found the correct method. where to apply the grounded spark gap and what the results will be using either one or the other to achieve your desired results.

I realize others may know this, but from what I can tell it is not observed as a rule.

I can make a loud snapping spark or a silent spark that combines the elements of the block wall. The dipole, etc.

This silent spark hits the grounding rod like a pendulum of a bell and the capacitor sends this violent hammering action into the isolation transformer. This same pounding can be heard coming from the IT as well. Also this physical impulse can be felt on the outside of the capacitor."it feels like a rapid outward expansion of the housing of the capacitor".

here is the video and some pics of the circuit in use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjuIIFgarrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjuIIFgarrA)

Good luck
h2ocommuter
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on April 26, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Ok,
What I did next is double the NTE 124's coming from the Crown and inserted the three big capacitors i used in my earlier charge testings. This is a "paralell circuit".
These are the results;
I am able to make and automatic discharge to, light "momentarily" a normal incandescent light.
Pretty sure the silent spark is magnetic not electric.

These results are were obtained by first setting a preliminary charge in the 600 V .7 uF cap then moving the IT 240 V line to the second Capacitor bank. When the second set should reach an equilibrium and then imbalance with the first cap, the first cap will discharge Silently and that will induce the second bank to discharge into the IT causing the light to flash again with a silent spark.
Next I positioned a third cap between the second , "added diodes/circuit" into the first circuit discharge and spark gap position. With this setup I will get an automatic discharge through the system as before (BUT) here is a problem, the silent spark (just one) explodes part of the spark gap creating a dead short. ((( this dead short is like a needle, it can hardly be seen. It is as if the metal or the spark plug electrode has violently produced a thread of material to bond these two materials)))

The signal coming from the plasma globe is now larger than the highest fully visible setting on the scope at maximum. so I am measuring at the output side of the IT.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on May 05, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
While looking for some videos at Boarderland I found this three page A.

It describes many of Tesla's findings about radiant energy, Either, and this being produced by the disruptive discharges.

Therein I found the similarities DS spoke about, what my experiments have shown with the silent spark having much more power. Also that NT was able to separate the magnetic from the electrostatic, and other concerns about these methods.

http://journal.borderlands.com/2010/the-broadcast-power-of-nikola-tesla-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1154 (http://journal.borderlands.com/2010/the-broadcast-power-of-nikola-tesla-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1154)

Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on May 24, 2010, 10:37:36 PM
I've been out of town working, Truck driving and had lots of time to think.

I have been able to simulate the wave forms that look like the Parametric oscillations that JLNauden had accomplished.

Saying that, the concept I have about what is happening is; When the spark jumps upon cap discharge, the multiplying effect is caused by cap charging. starting small then building to max. depending upon spark length. This would suggest the amplification is not overunity simply resistance to assimilate the complete charge to maximum at the first impulse.

These building blocks are what I am shooting at for the time being. As this process continues I am visualizing the reality of seeing the freq. capturing.  As everyone can see with the prior pictures of the signal, the freq is so complex and quick that it is virtually impossible to measure this without a very high speed transmission of this signal.
   Can someone tell me if Oscilloscope speed is crucial at this point? If so I will accommodate the suggestion.

I am going to test and retest the speed of the signal until I get the correct capacitors size. Driving the caps to break  within the spark gap at the first impulse will establish the correct freq.  I believe I should be able to discharge a cap at the highest potential + and the highest potential - . If this is correct.  I should be able to isolate the discharging, which would capture the block wall for further manipulation.

 At that point I will be able to set up the LC tank to a resonant attitude.

I ordered a signal generator 1 Hz to 1 MHz and a variable DC power supply 0-18 V and 0-40 A
These should advance my understandings and capabilities of testing.

Good luck
Zane
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on May 28, 2010, 12:25:24 AM
You people are absolutely awesome!

I came to a Light bulb moment today, LOL and gulping my way through this facet.
OK as anyone who has plugged in a multimeter into their globe and read an excess of 500 volts would have grasped in the dark as well as I am.

If Don is correct about flipping the block wall and learning to manipulate the magnetic resonance rabbit. this is a rigorous protocol of understandings.

Reading NT's patents, ED's videos and grazing the annals of others work regarding magnetic resonance. I am seriously considering just where this resonance starts accumulating.

I feel I must reproduce ED's Longitudinal test, to see how these magnetic values are amplified (Obvious Start),
Then add this knowledge to the DS circuit.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on July 20, 2010, 09:24:59 PM
What I am figuring is the flipping of the block wall has affective results when the C is in an harmonic equilibrium with the output of the L on top of the globe.

As my tests are only giving burst impulses and what I want is an even flow of energy. I am figuring the way to accomplish this has something to do with how fast I flip the block wall.

I have picked up some HV mica caps That will certainly make the flipping much faster.
I am going to try to drive this action through the circuit then to the illusive resistor placement across the IT then to the spark gap.

The mysterious Resistor may be something like a transistor or timer circuit. Anyway don stated that it is there to adjust the freq. to 60 or 120 Hz. depending on the adaption.

I have been very busy lately driving Big trucks so I have not had any time to test these assumptions.

Note:
On my previous project "Hydroxy on demand", I am pseudo obligated to get a system working that has been a nightmare for everyone who has tried.  BB has agreed to help me long with the Hydrogen Junky and The hydrogen garage.
Working through the scheduling of the down time for the truck and interference of my schedule it continues to be a gauntlet.  If things work out well I will start to communicate along these lines on an appropriate thread.

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: magnetman12003 on May 06, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
How far did you get with your plasma globe experiments?  I would like to build a 12 volt battery charger.
have a 6 inch plasma globe as starters.
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on May 08, 2015, 04:45:20 AM
I like your thought Magnetman, Sorry I took down all my videos now but I would like to see the results Here on this thread. 

I have it on the bench now as time and things have been disheveled for quite some time. But I have nearly everything intact except the brilliant spark gap adjusting machine I had built. I really feel this is one of the keys I like the best.


I started learning how to charge larger caps and got waylaid for the last  few years. If things keep going my way I should be able to determine the building blocks again to have the sparks and the DC factors figured out. I just got to that point and diverted away.


The AC is good coming strait from the coil because the signal from the globe is vast and highly complicated to understand. But that is not hard to get around. using diodes to change it into DC A bridge rectifier will give a fine steady line on the scope. I ran out of time then again and had not finished what I was doing.


Thanks for replying I would love to get back into this project.

Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: magnetman12003 on December 01, 2015, 02:58:04 AM
I like your thought Magnetman, Sorry I took down all my videos now but I would like to see the results Here on this thread. 

I have it on the bench now as time and things have been disheveled for quite some time. But I have nearly everything intact except the brilliant spark gap adjusting machine I had built. I really feel this is one of the keys I like the best.


I started learning how to charge larger caps and got waylaid for the last  few years. If things keep going my way I should be able to determine the building blocks again to have the sparks and the DC factors figured out. I just got to that point and diverted away.


The AC is good coming strait from the coil because the signal from the globe is vast and highly complicated to understand. But that is not hard to get around. using diodes to change it into DC A bridge rectifier will give a fine steady line on the scope. I ran out of time then again and had not finished what I was doing.


Thanks for replying I would love to get back into this project.
I have an old 8 inch plasma ball I can sell you that had the circuit blown out.  The ball itself is intact and wonder if you can use it? 
Title: Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
Post by: h2ocommuter on December 02, 2015, 06:48:44 AM

Thanks Magnetman,"I have an old 8 inch plasma ball I can sell you that had the circuit blown out.  The ball itself is intact and wonder if you can use it? "[/size]

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That would  be a cool idea, to make a signal with high voltage and high frequency then it would be easier to set the DC tank circuit ringing.


Thanks for the offer. I think I will pass it up though.