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Judges

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2010, 10:28:40 PM »
Laugh,,,as you must,,the final lawer was admist adverse conditions(liken it to fighting with your yife,,the day after a big drunk),,,,,I had attempted,(but failed) to anneal w/acetylene/oxygen torch,,winding it proved otherwise.
Take this for what it IS rather than how bad it looks,I admit,,it do look BAD!
the next layer down is better,this square wire wound with the same face up,not easy,it its 50 turns per layer,,4 layers,,so 200 turns,BUT,,I have a silicone steel grain oriented CORE that I can
slide into this,,also i can easily magnetize(saturate able reactor) with 12v dc battery(or charger) (wrap some of the wire around it and connect ends to battery)
OHMS 0.0001,,,,i.664mh air,wo/core

Try not to laugh to hard,I am not the young buck I was at one time
cant resist:dum spiro pugno (sorry Wilby Hero Member,I just like it.)

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2010, 10:51:33 PM »
Sorry guys,,lot of that stuff is totally photographic,pathetic(NOT my coi) JUNK pictures.
BA<<<BA<<<BAD Up-Load
RATS11
and to boot its ice again
Joe in Cold Texas 41F degree,,(NO,don't talk nasty,the F stands for Fahrenheit,,,Barometric Pressure,103.5 kilopascalls,,Relative Humidety 69%

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2010, 11:20:47 PM »
Driver :C W MaCall
Place:WolfCreek Pass,Colorado
Time: High Noon

It was a CabOver Pete,with a Reefer on and a,Jimmy hawling hawgs
or was it a Cab Over Pete,with a reefer lit,and Jimmy was calling the dogs?
We were headed for Bear on eye one oh,about a mile out of shakey town,,
I said,Calling all Trucks,, this here's the Duck and were gonna let the hammer down.

Well,we hit that gate doing 108,and I said Let them Truckers Roll!!
Joe in Texas
HELP,,their takeing over the asylum,,HELP! Help

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2010, 06:15:33 PM »
I added some more images,,,,,firing it up later today.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 03:31:08 AM »
Decided to go with making a high temp furnace.
Big,LARGE,freezer,refrigerator,large to put fire brink inside,wall thickness can be 20 inches,ceramic,pig ear length,electrode.Two required.
I believe I would employ a Highly Reflective Barrier,primary oven surface,employing plasma and cubicle with ore/whatever.

The $$$$ is in the Cubicle that moves the boiling metal into a form,
I am not concerned with the form as much,as the boiling mixture.

Glass would hopefully be my first  choice to start,as I have plenty of the old telephone-line pole insulators,green and clear in color.Also,OLD window glass,with light bends in it.

I would be interested to add things to boiling glass.Ferrite dust perhaps,I have a LOT of this,,copper shavings from the lathe,or for that matter any,shaving from the lathe,,, clean of course,and brought to a boil,before adding,,,,,should be possible to interface oven with vacuum line.compress and store gas,,analyze later.

And another question,,,how long does it take to boil your way up (or down?) to copper in its purest form.Or is this even possible??

Ah the Mysteries,I love this Forum,where mysteries are invented daily!
Cheers
Joe in Texas
I need to Google,temperature,electric arc,furnace and see if I can find any specs.I know what mine are,,,,70 Amps at 32.5kv.AC or DC,,,I think DC would be less,but can't remember.Might as well Google the price of a ,Cubicle for melting,Furnace.THAT will be the Go/No Go decision.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2010, 06:03:07 AM »
I have 14kva and what I THINK is a good saturatable reactor,,,we shall see,when I am back from Louisiana>
Joe in Texas

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2010, 06:15:58 AM »
  have a good trip. 

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2010, 08:43:33 AM »
Thanks Sparks,
Back from Louisiana.Jena is still the same it has been for all the years I have been gone.Change just does not happen in Jena,Louisiana.

I have Plasma,but at the oddest voltage readings that only having measured several times,do I dare post it.
Voltage to variac with Two 120 lines; One 120V line goes straight thru Variac to  POLE Transformer (pig)

Voltage FROM Variac(on the second120v phase of a two phase 240V Line,From Variac,to one end of ballast/solenoid/choke/reactor/, 200 turn 8 awg,4 layers square wire)to other Pig Primary

Voltage from 2, 100 amp,, fused to 30 amp lines,120V each,for a measuring of both post brings 240V
Top of Knife switch 240 volts.
Bottom of knife switch,closed,60 volts AC
Bottom of knife switch also has a center green GROUND wire,DIS-Connected from in-comeing 220 but going all the way thru controls and transformer to 8' pounded copper grounding rod..
The difference being in the grounding system I have Used
BEING:
One Pig Ear (14.4k tranny) Output HV,Grounded to Ground Rod.
Center Lug for Neutral  on Tranny GROUNDED to Same Ground Rod.
Voltage to Pig Primary,,,17 volt=START PLASMA,carbon electrodes on fourth inch apart.(I can't believe I forgot to measure ac HV!!! tired.
Max Variac Output100% out = 60 Volts

Plasma is not plasma more a HF,HV,fast,, stream along parallel electrodes,,pictures tomorrow.
Late,Long Day,,tomorrow I will continue my GROUND System.
What I have done so far I will let stand.First thing in morning,
get some good Amp readings,before and after ballast,,which I
DID fill with silicone steel laminate,,seemed to make slight difference.All I can figure (able to be confirmed) is if it is due to humidity,temperature change.

Plasma ran for over an hour continuous,no heating,,slight burn
on carbon electrodes.After turning off,everything was instantly cool to hand touch.Much more testing to do tomorrow,and pictures added to Photo Stream.

The seventh day of April (birthday)and my sights are  set on a NEW,,YOU-TUBE,AUDIO and VIDEO,,I am not worthy! But I will cherish this,,;>0,,,,,,;>)),,
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-Camera/26150/COOLPIX-S220.html,,,Then we will experiment.
Short List;1.Observe/Record Using different electrodes
                2.Melting metal into a drip pan*
                3.Push Plasma using Micro-waves (Magnetron     
                   beam to plasma)
                 4.Moving Plasma with a"pinch spiral" magnetic
                    field.(pictures Tomorrow of pinch)
Sparks,puzzling numbers eh?I feel sure all will be revealed when I finish this un-orthodox grounding scheme in the name of SAFETY with HV.
Pictures will explain mostly.Till Tomorrow.
g-night in Texas
Joe.

*half inch by one and one half inch tungsten electrode,I will try to run electrodes parallel,for more Plasma,then use fan to force plasma down onto al/cu/brass/lead/glass,(asbestos,or fire brick,maybe ceramic)shelf at an angle.

I currently do not have the Plasma,that lends itself to great movement with minimal air-flow,,but unless I was over-tired,
or had bad batteries,I could Not measure anything over 3 amps,any-where,,,am sure I am wrong on this.Or not.

I am shooting to use at least 40-50 amps.
I have observed (a few years ago) the Perfect Plasma for my line of experiment.
This was a approximately ,four inch square,gentle,slow flame.
almost EXACTLY the same in appearance to a burning match or Zippo cigarette lighter.

(I "muddied" my coal firing forge,yesterday and finished it this morning,,the "clay mud" so far is what used to be a square box of Sheetrock putty,8-10 years old.Am sure it will take 2-3 weeks to dry.This same clay (topped with appropriate ceramic(hello Google),,,will do for a DIY PLASMA FURNACE,,I hope.Mounted on TOP of Pig. Small Fan blowing Down.(LOTS of Insulation/dialectic between shelf and Pig,,looks straight-forward to build/mount.Idea being metal running down hill when liquid.To collect in ANOTHER Clay pot/form/slab/bucket of water?mold?
Any particular metal mix in mind?.I have a tungsten carbide  rod,one half by eight inches to use as stirrer.
A metal mixer and skimmer is a MUST.

Sure mistakes are in post,tired of editing it,maybe understanding for ALL,,tomorrow.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2010, 09:10:37 PM »
Found 30AMP Fuse blown on one leg of 220,,,I was running with 110 V,,,what a screw-up,,,still haven't up-loaded any pics.Maybe before the day is over.
Thanks to my Engineer Friend that being Chief Engineer Bill,Tidewater Marine,U.S.Coast Guard,Retired.,,Durn good neighbor,,when he is home,which I wish was more often.
Checking those fuses should have been my first thought,it wasn't.
Thanks Bill
Joe in Texas

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2010, 10:36:21 PM »
Now Happily,,showing 55 AMPS from Variac to Air Wound Core,Coil,,,(to Pig Primary)

Plasma is Pure in short episodes.Air sensitive enough to feel
the disturbance of human body in dead air.Seems to consume/generate,,lazily,slowly,build to BIG plasma,then start over.
 At 16 minute into a run,,smoke from ballast,observed heat spot 8 winds down on on 40 plus turns on top layer,,copper below(row 4) cool,,no discoloration.Re-arranged top layer of
winding,a lot of them were crossed.
Start Run3:22
Stop Run 3:35
Hard to believe a direct short THRU ,, around a quarter inch thick.,,PVC Green sewer,,Measure=.5cm,,that is point five cm. or one half cm thick PVC.Shorted to steel core.Massive current here.

Coil (ballast is still cooling) induction too high.
I removed ALL the silicone laminate steel (heavy) core.
Going to try for 5 minute run,,after cooling of ballast,air coil,
Cheers
Later with pictures.
Joe in Texas

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2010, 04:41:44 AM »
Here are some pictures
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Really,hard for me to organize on this photo-bucket,,I wanted the last images to represent the type of Plasma I was after.
Am going to add resistance to the circuit,between ballast and Pig Primary,First to see results,,,then,perhaps move resistive load between Ballast and Variac.
One or the other.Not Both.
cheers
Joe in Texas
added: In regard to the plasma shown,,,,I can only get a (at most) one Minute  of Run-Time,before Ballast over-heating,
That is with Core Fully Inserted.Lot's of configurations(to many!) to try,,,But I at least know,what I want is attainable.
The Energy cost is too High.55 AMP,,,measured,,ballast to pig primary.I am sinking TOO MUCH amperage,,,oh well,,will remove heavy core partly, and test again, with resistive load.
Eventually I will hit correct combination.
j.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 05:36:17 AM »
  The last plasma I made had only one electrode.  Plasma comming out both ends or it could have been going in both ends through the flurescent the picture tube and god only knows what before returning to the ground it was pointing towards. 

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2010, 08:00:55 AM »
Good Grief Man!
The Television blew up while you were watching it?!
Holey Guacamole,,
zzzzzzzzzzzzttttttttttt!
Joe

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2010, 01:01:50 PM »
  It was kinda semi controlled.   I was messing around with the hv supply from an old TV and flurescent bulbs.  I was watching tv in the fluresecent bulb hooked in series with the picture tube.  No kidding the flurescent bulb was the only plasma television set I ever owned.  :)  You could see the information in the bulb.  No audio though. ;D  Anyway somehow the hv supply got hooked up to the flurescent tube holder which was a piece of iron wire coiled into the diameter of the tube.  I smelled ozone and heard this hiss and there was two coronal discharges coming out the ends of the rebar lashing wire.  There was no apparent circuit to ground so I assume this was plasma growing off the ends of the iron coil.  It wasnt a snap crakcle pop more like dualing plasma cutter outputs.  Never popped the horizontal output transistor which is the favorite thing old TV's do when you short the output from the flyback transformer.  The little sprites kinda bent towards each other so I assume there was more plasma creating a loop from end of iron coil to the other but not throwing light.  Oh I forgot the plasma I made with watervapor and a piece of copper wire in a microwave.
Water vapor bulb.  No metal halide or high pressure sodium.  Just a drop of water and 1100 hundred watts of rf bouncing around.