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Offline silverdragonrs

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #540 on: April 08, 2006, 09:44:51 PM »
question - i have been storing my magnets stuck together (s/n natural atraction, so on) ...... will this hurt the magnets? i am not familiar with demagnitization at all.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #541 on: April 08, 2006, 10:15:59 PM »
I believe that the force required to push the lifted magnet back into the stator ring will be quite high. Therefore, some kind of spring to aid in pushing the stator magnet back down again may be beneficial. If the spring restoring force is somewhat equal to the force  pushing the stator magnet back out of the ring, the motor will be more efficient. Although matching the spring force to the repulsive force of the stator magnets will be difficult.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #542 on: April 08, 2006, 10:27:47 PM »
Actually matching spring to repulsion force of the magnet is probably extremely difficult because both forces are nonlinear and are switched, that is, the spring pushing the lifted stator magnet back in is at maximum extension( weakest force) when the lifted stator magnet is almost back in position(maximum repulsion)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #543 on: April 08, 2006, 10:30:59 PM »
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I think it's safe to say though that Torbay has DONE IT, all those newsparper articles and TV recording and eyewitnesses, so all we need worry about is how exactly to replicate his design. Wink

Oh, has a video of his motor been found then? Does someone have a functioning link for it?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #544 on: April 08, 2006, 10:37:19 PM »
ok i believe that you could be right. however i am only concerned with building a working motor at this point and improving on that motor after replication is complete. we have already talked about the possablility of needing a spring and most of us have chosen not to use it in prototypes. continued effort to improve the device is needed and always will be but one step at a time :)

anywho, my wife is having contractions so i am headed to the hospital in a minute. will be back in a few hours to check on the thread. good luck with all ?your replications! :)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #545 on: April 08, 2006, 10:57:26 PM »
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anywho, my wife is having contractions so i am headed to the hospital in a minute. will be back in a few hours to check on the thread. good luck with all  your replications! Smiley

It's either your first one then, and you've no idea whats coming. Or it's the latest of many, and you're an old hand at it. At any rate, best of luck..... and with your motor.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #546 on: April 09, 2006, 12:30:58 AM »
question - i have been storing my magnets stuck together (s/n natural atraction, so on) ...... will this hurt the magnets? i am not familiar with demagnitization at all.

thanks
danny

Hi Danny,

Actually, having magnets stuck together in attraction is good for them and will help to preserve the field strength. That is why most horseshoe magnets come with a metal keeper bar across the legs to keep it from demagnetizing.

@Tao

What 3D simulation software are you using? I have Maxwell3D but am also looking for other packages to compare results with.

God Bless,
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #547 on: April 09, 2006, 01:18:51 AM »
One more thing, to everyone, the idea of degaussing the magnets isn't really that much of an issue as long as you use matched magnets for the stators and rotor like ceramic 5s, ceramic 8s, NdFeb magnets. They are quite prone to not degauss. Look at Bedini's clarifier device, it has two ceramic magnets glued together in a repulsion S<->S and they don't degauss themselves, because they have LIKE fields.

Anyway, good work.

Tao


Yes, but the problem is when magnets have not got an EQUIVALENT magnetization (rotor-stator) and this is the case, and the best case to avoid an strong resistance to push down each stator. As large is the difference between rotor-stator magnetization as large is the net torque you have to push down each stator. The problem with FEMM is to simulate z components (this case). You can use other point of view of magnets (stator and rotor) to view it or test it with a simple experiment. If stator magnets are similar to rotor the force observed is very very strong and even "moves" the rotor when the stator is forced by hand, that is, it is greater than torque in rotor and in this case the devices will not work or... there is a special parameter combination to avoid it: distance between stators, between rotor-stator, etc.

Springs can help to push down, indeed I thought so before, but then we will have another problem to lift stators before rotor reaches it. Due to no linear model, maybe it is possible to use a different behaviour for lifting and pushing ... There is a very nice diferential equation to solve or so many test to do ... but it is the science challenge  :D

Best wishes to Silverdragonrs  :-X. Good luck.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #548 on: April 09, 2006, 03:14:25 AM »
Yes, it might work, if in a Rotor we'll have one magnet (for start) with repulsion polarity with the Stator' magnets and pushing guide in the front of it, which will lift up one Stator's magnet and create disballance of forces. Rotor moves because of this disballans and pushing up another Stator's magnet and so on...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #549 on: April 09, 2006, 05:31:21 AM »
'...just as you described Torbay has already done'.
-Tao, how sure you are? The magnetic field is a 3Dimensional. When Stator's magnet goes up something has to put it down in the row, after Rotor passed by. And it needs an energy to do it. At least in my Stator magnets pops out from the row, and I need to do something to put it down.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #550 on: April 09, 2006, 06:21:28 AM »
The actual question is,after all the newspaper articles,when
will be the coming-out of Walter Torbay ?
We can read:- the transgenerator" could" reach 2,5 KW-
under which conditions ?
Is this the nominal power of prototype II ?
Is the 2,5 KW Transgenerator the 150$ device ?
Is the kinetic2electricity transformer included ?
Why is the inventor in a "passive" stadium ?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #551 on: April 09, 2006, 07:30:13 AM »
Tao.
Before or after depends of polarity. But your question is right - it's a matter of calculations or long practice with compensation mechanism to figure out needed balance of forces.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #552 on: April 09, 2006, 07:51:11 AM »
Hello All,

Not to detract from the current discussion but what is the status of us tracking down and getting in contact with Walter Torbay? Have any of the many media publishers responded to anyone here with any usable contact information? What about the technical school he was working at?? It seems like there are so many sources to check that it doesn't make sense that nobody has made contact with him yet... It would make this replication effort tons easier if we could focus our efforts on contacting him. At least we know that he would be willing to help us build one if we could simply track him down.

Perhaps we could start a separate thread dedicated to the task. If anyone can post whatever information they have found (be it good or bad) at least we will be able to exhaust the idea and conclude that we can or cannot find him.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #553 on: April 09, 2006, 09:58:48 AM »
hey everyone contractions were as i thaught just a dud no baby yet :( this is my seventh tao :) can't wait.

to answer a question posted.. about when is torbay's coming out party.... NEVER

if any such device was to be published then the public would demand mass production. mass production would lead to the fall of several of the largest businesses in the world.

electric companies every place would be no competition and would fall
gas companies (same)
many car companies would fall do to their lack of ability to adapt. large companies would try to use the motors in their cars and those cars would take over the market leaving the little guy to drown

contries would fall (contries like aran are 100% dependant on fossil fuel sales because they have no other rescources the world market wants)

the world would not end. people driving the magnetic car would be happy and their homes would be powered. but at what cost? the USA already has a gross unemployment rate. just emagine the millions of layoffs from ford motor company as the magnetic motor and its simple settup replaced the thousands of assembly jobs around the world not to mention the companies that created those parts.

the fall of such a large giant (and there would be many more than just one) would affect every job and every person directly in an unpleasant way.

i believe that as long as these devices remain to the select few able to understand them and build them then the economy will be fine. its just a question of "at what point do we draw the line"

in other words if you live in the US then you will likely never hear of any successful free energy devices or replications unless you find it online where your voice is trully free.

the government is not the bad guy here it is the good guy. it would be nice if we all lived in a world that rotated on improvement and moving forward but we do not. we live in a world of balances.

these are the reasons that comunities such as this forum are here. it is the voice of inventors and idealists that wish to share their achievements with others that are interested in the same things.

im sorry i got a little carried away in that......... will move on to a new post now :)

thanks for reading,
danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #554 on: April 09, 2006, 10:08:36 AM »
jdo - i do not believe he is reachable any longer. he has probably had all the scepticism he can handle and as he has posted on another board he is not interested in proving his device only in sharing knowledge with the world. (not word for word)

i sent him an email four days ago stating that i had created a replica of his magnetic motor and had a few design changes i wanted to run past him........ no reply.... yet




i was just thinking about the skeptics in this very forum who say they will not believe it works untill they hear one of us replicate it......

there was an individual who posted in this thread who stated that they had seen taken apart and held the device and saw it running.

the skeptics still argued with that....

so if i come in there next week and say i did it! i replicated it! then they will likely be skeptical of that...... right?....

well i am tired of talking about if it works or not there is only one way to find out.... build it.

i entend to do just that (after some sleep! :) )

sknaht,
ynnad

 

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