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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 188600 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #435 on: April 06, 2006, 06:14:43 PM »
@silverdragonrs
it depends how your magnets are polarized via the magnetisation.
You can probably use a few of the "magnet four" of your drawing
for the stator magnets and for the rotor magnet get a disc magnets
where the North-Southpole polarisation goes through its diameter.
You can use a small bar magnet to see, where the poles are on your magnets
and where it repells or attracts.
Sometimes magnets are polarized also with many poles on its surfaces, like
N-S-N-S-N-S changing all the time, so they stick best to iron surfaces and
have thus more attraction force to the surface. These could not be used
for the Torbay motor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #435 on: April 06, 2006, 06:14:43 PM »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #436 on: April 06, 2006, 07:24:31 PM »
I think I finally understand what is going on in this system, and I admit, it is very impressive.  :D

One thing though, and this goes toward ease of building; Instead of lifting the magnet away, why not place the wheel in tangent ??? to the disc magnet, and as it progresses the individual stator magnets are PUSHED AWAY from the rotor; ala pulling slices out of the pie rather than lifting them from the pie...  8)

From what I see is all that is needed to impart the movement towards equilibrium is to move a magnet out of the way and create a magnetic 'gap' for the rotor magnet to align with, so just pushing the magnet out of the way would accomplish this. In this way one could make a system completely two-dimensional and then you could make everything as long or tall as needed for the required power output, so you could have a very long cylindrical unit or just a short disc unit, with corresponding stator sizes, of course. Pretty much, you would be able to stack units on a common axis for more output.

Correct me if I am mistaken, I havent had the time to read the whole thread!  ;D

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #437 on: April 06, 2006, 07:29:13 PM »
Wow.  It looks like you guys have been busy here. 

If you would like to organize the presentation of what you have come up with so far, so newcomers don't have to plow through all previous posts, feel free to do so at PESWiki.

I have a feature page for what is on the Argentine site
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Walter_Torbay%27s_Magnetic_Transgenerator
It includes translations of the various pages.

Here is a beginning index page for you
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Argentina_%28Torbay%29_Magnet_Motor

We can create a side-bar for easy, consistent navigation between the various sub-pages:
- home
- introduction
- materials
- plans
- photos
- videos
- replications
- variants
- theory
- FORUM (links back here)

Each of those can be a sub-page.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #437 on: April 06, 2006, 07:29:13 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #438 on: April 06, 2006, 07:34:38 PM »
I see, sort of the difference between pulling two attracted magnets apart vs. sliding them past each other...
Ingenious indeed! It looks too that this device will be very simple to replicate... I must build one...

EDIT: One question, must the stators be so long, depth-wise? Could they be just as easily short, so that no hinge is needed but just a track to move up and down within?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #439 on: April 06, 2006, 07:57:25 PM »
I would say it's time to stop theorizing and rendering, and start cutting and gluing.

I think the optimism is unjustified, (surely you have noticed that the most promising free energy motor is, and always has been,
"the next one"?) but if I had the time and materials, I'd make one right now.

Don't worry about machine shops until you've got a wood version that works.

I suggest that nearly anything can be made from balsa wood... the secret is that you glue all the pieces together with
superglue (cyanoacrylate) and then coat the whole thing with epoxy glue. The result will be ugly and might need sanding
but will be very durable- the fragile balsa is acting as little more than a sponge to hold the glues, which dry very hard and
strong.

You can have a CAD drawing of all the pieces that prints out at 1/1 scale, and you could trace the pieces onto your balsa,
cut them out, and then assemble. This might be the best way to ensure anyone could replicate your device if you get it
working.

Diametrically magnetized ring or cylinder magnets are hard to find, especially if you want one larger than 2 inches...
everything else you can get at the local hardware store.








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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #440 on: April 06, 2006, 08:05:59 PM »
will ring magnets from microwave ovens work? i haven't noticed their magnetic poles.....

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #441 on: April 06, 2006, 09:44:08 PM »
tjanzer - i thaught the idea was for the next stator magnet to already be up when the raised one was ready to fall (or at least most of the way) otherwise the entire system would hessetate while waiting for the next break in the possition to open. for smooth continuos motion the stator arm in your drawing that is on the rise should be at lest half way up if not 90% up by the time the last one is ready to fall. thus weakening the feild to the right side of the raised stator arm and allowing for less resistance on the way down.

hartiberlin - thanks i thought of that just moment before i checked your post.. (was on my way to report my findings)
also i looked at the femm site you listed for downloading and all i see are a bunch of bin.exe files and scripts.... what do i need to download and from the looks of things how do i use the darn thing :) (ignore the last part of that i am not trying to bug you all for lessons on software ill figure it out) but i do need to know what im downloading

the magnet drawn from a 3.5 floppy drive is indeed N S N S defferentiating every 1/4 inch throughout the outer edge of the ring magnet.

so somebody mentioned microwave magnets.... anyone checked on this yet? I would be really interested in finding a disk magnet polorised through its diameter like you all say. I (like several others reading) would really like to find one in everyday apliences.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #442 on: April 06, 2006, 09:50:57 PM »
i was going outside to get a few more magnet scources but it's not very pleasant out there. anyone know off the top of their head if a speaker magnet is polorised through its diameter i have everything from tweeters up to 18 inch subwoofers. I am going to do a google search on the subject maybe a few products will come up..... later

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #443 on: April 06, 2006, 09:53:29 PM »
Quote
Are you talking about the conclusion that a particle?s mass increases with velocity?

No, they are not. They are polarized axially. I just spoke with a magnet company. It will cost approx. $500 to have a cylindrival magnet polarized along the diagonal. This is not something usual that they would do.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #444 on: April 06, 2006, 10:05:42 PM »
tao, aren't these of too small a diameter?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #445 on: April 06, 2006, 10:12:24 PM »
tao thank you very much for those links.
this one ....... how strong is it i am sure it is listed but i do not understand all the numbers and such.... plus with it being sphericle instead of what we are looking for wont that effect the performance of the device since when the stator arm rises it will still be interacting with the top half of the n side of the sphere?
http://www.magnet4sale.com/xcart4/product.php?productid=16287&cat=249&page=5

as for the other one it

http://cgi.ebay.com/NdFeB-Ring-1-OD-X-1-4-ID-X-1-2-STRONG_W0QQitemZ4453728058QQcategoryZ303QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 looks like itll work in many ways its cheep and reported as "STRONG"................ only one problem ......... they only have 100 of them available so we need to do our homework faster in order to get any..... i am going to buy two right now.... if anyone thinks they will not work then please state so soon as i do not have the money to waist on ineffective equipment. thanks

danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #446 on: April 06, 2006, 10:14:42 PM »
could somebody give a list of names for this magnet we are looking for (diametric, neo?, ndfeb?) so i can do a few searches of my own....

thanks
danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #447 on: April 06, 2006, 10:47:02 PM »
movie won't play in WMP

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« Reply #448 on: April 06, 2006, 10:54:06 PM »
duranza - the avi is high def so you need a computer able to play it. i used nero media player to play it and it worked great! good job tao! great visual

tao - i found this one by the same maker it seems the same only larger....

http://cgi.ebay.com/NdFeB-Ring-2-1-2-od-x-3-4-id-x-1-2-STRONG_W0QQitemZ6018455899QQcategoryZ20600QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

could you check it out since you know what all the numbers and technical stuff means. thanks....

danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #449 on: April 06, 2006, 11:10:41 PM »
sorry i never even saw the description below the picture... (oops) i was just comparing numbers :D? ;D :)

i do not have an ebay acount so could anyone and the seller if he/she can get ahold of a larger version? i have an idea on how to extend the field but i dont know how these things work so here it goes let me know please,

ok, take one magnet as described. since it is to small in diameter to be affective couldn't one add a peice of magneticaly attracted metal (half disks) to each pole (sitting on top of the magnet as shown here

 

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