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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 192463 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #360 on: April 03, 2006, 09:32:05 PM »
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f the rotor lid-cap turns every next stator magnet will pop up
due to the repelling forces and the ramp on the lid-cap will
force the already lifted statormagnet to go down again under the lid-cap.
This way there need not to be any wheel or springs, just stator magnets
on a fullcrum, that go automatically uo due to the reppeling forces
when the lidcap hole reaches them.

It would be interesting if that's the case. Maybe we can try it this way first just to see if it will work. In the final version, however, I feel there must be a deliberate lifting mechanism to ensure stator magnets are always lifted at the right time. Correct lifting of stator magnets is crucial for the functioning af the device.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #361 on: April 03, 2006, 10:18:09 PM »
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Omnibus, you need to lay off my back man, what is your problem? You keep attacking me and only me.

I refuse to listen to you, period, this thread is for all, and I put on two VERY informative posts, so back off.

No, you are the one to get off my and everybody else?s back. Go away with your black helicopters and not funny jokes ...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #362 on: April 03, 2006, 10:32:10 PM »
I?m taking this discussion very seriously. Torbay is under heavy attack and there is no place here for silly jokes of any kind. I don?t care who found what funny. This is an extremely serious matter and should be taken accordingly.

It is very inconsiderate to pop-up in the middle of the discussion with apparent interest in something that has already been discussed at length and is already understood by the participants.

Such behavior dilutes the discussion and one may think that it is one of the numerous methods adversaries apply to squash such discussions. This may or may not apply to you but you should be aware that there is such a possibility so I urge you to change your attitude.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #363 on: April 03, 2006, 10:44:37 PM »
Point taken ... Let's move on ...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #364 on: April 04, 2006, 02:58:49 AM »
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if the rotor cap ( lid-cap) is able to hold down all the stator magnet
and only one stator magnet is automatically lifted by the huge repelling forces, where the
lid-cap has a hole (break) in it.
If the rotor lid-cap turns, every next stator magnet will pop up
due to the repelling forces and the ramp on the lid-cap will
force the already lifted statormagnet to go down again under the lid-cap.
This way there need not to be any wheel or springs, just stator magnets
on a fullcrum, that go automatically up due to the reppeling forces
when the lidcap hole reaches them.


Hartiberlin,

Torbay explicitly said that he used springs to help to put arm back in the stator ring.  I strongly believe that he used them to balance out repeling force.  When arm is balanced ( up force = down force ) it is way easier on the rotor to move them into up or down position.  If they are not balanced rotor has to have enough momentary torque to overcome sudden resistance ( as you pointed out - "huge repelling forces") to press the arm back into the stator ring.

George


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #364 on: April 04, 2006, 02:58:49 AM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #365 on: April 04, 2006, 03:22:36 AM »
I agree with you George. I think you need the work from the springs to keep the system unbalanced.

I am presently working on a motor along thhe same line as Torbay. I won't say that it is a replicaton of his motor only that it is based on his principles. I want to try it without springs, but I will definitely have provisions for them.

TJ

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #366 on: April 04, 2006, 03:57:01 AM »
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liberty: I wish you well in your attempts and bid you farewell.

Liberty, please don't be offended and leave, we will need your help....


Hi Jaybird,

Thanks for your concern, but I didn't mean to leave the impression that I was offended and leaving, a little taken back at the level of control perhaps, but not offended. (It is my nature to forgive and I have done so and consider the matter ended). 

I realize that we can all make the style of motor that we believe has the best chance for success.  (No one is locked into producing the 'agreed upon' motor that Omnibus has in mind. (This thread was just intended to be a format to give the people an understanding of how to replicate the performance of the TGM and learn about it).  I encourage Tao and others to continue with the inventive ideas and test their new ideas on their own as they may very well have merit.

I decided to give Omnibus ample room to persue the design of his choice.  I will do the same.

I will be "around" and persue 'my understanding' of the motor quietly and strive to fully understand what knowledge Torbay and others have offered to us, and to get an operational magnet motor that is powerful enough to drive an alternator/generator load.  I believe that we all have this worthy goal in mind and can achieve it if we apply ourselves properly and in a friendly sort of way.

Hope you will all be winners from what you learn, courtesy of Hartiberlin's web site "Overunity.com"!

Liberty

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #367 on: April 04, 2006, 04:41:30 AM »
Well liberty, I for one hope you stay around and keep posting

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #368 on: April 04, 2006, 08:49:29 AM »
for my sake let me see if i understand the mechanics of this device.

we have a rotor topped by a curved plate surrounded by upwards pivoting
magnets

the rotor contain one magnet on one side and the curve on the top plate is on the other

as the magnet in down position is attracting the rotor magnet the oposite magnet is repulsing the
curved top plate thus creating spin of rotor

oposite the rotors magnet is an arm containing weels that lift the oposing
magnet via ramp as the rotor turns

as the rotor weel arm passes and the next atracting magnet pulls it around the opposing magnet falls
to its resting/atracting possition and the next magnet in line raises to oppose the curved top plate


ball bearings fixed to the base allow the rotor to turn freely

this is what i have gathered as of page 9 in this thread am i close at least a little?

i have been up many many many coffies past my bed time so perhaps ill understand it a little more once it sinks in with sleep.
(btw i dont see any springs) but then i am only on page 9 like i said..... has anything else been descovered about this device since page 9? anyone ever go to the university of NY website for their findings and analogy of the device? ok need to stop typing now....  c-ya l8r

danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #369 on: April 04, 2006, 03:36:38 PM »
there seems to be a cilinder (just below the "top plate") is it possable that it is the "disk" magnet? is it possable to permenently magnetise a solid metal cililder like that? ....... sorry about my spelling just woke up.

(i understand that you all have this thing figured out by now and i am sorry to dragg you down to my level here....i don't understand some of the terms you all are using... have not attempted to look them all up yet so bear with me a little please. I know i have alot to offer this forum just need to do my homework :).

so to start what is this term stator (magnet, ring, so on) everyone keep mentioning...... just read down a little.... i wasnt aware somebody had spoken with Torbay....... well I guess i had better get back to reading.... seems im quite a bit farther behind than i thought! hhhmmm page 9 out of 40 or so.... this could take a while anyone got the highlights?

if somebody could create an understandable (idiot version) layout of this device so I (and I'm sure others) can participate...... I would be eternally greatfull. (not saying im an idiot but i just started in this feild of study and have alot to learn)

danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #370 on: April 04, 2006, 04:10:27 PM »
i am responding to reply 113 i think... about the device being black listed........ if it was then wouldnt the inventors site also be removed?..... after all it does give the basics right there for anyone to finish (as you all are doing) blacklisting in this case doesn't make sense. (probably drudging up old news but its kinda hard to read this stuff and not want to respond (will control myself better in future :)  )

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #371 on: April 04, 2006, 04:11:28 PM »
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After doing about 100 FEMM simulations and FORCE calculations on the rotor I have determined that the rotor has only ONE MAGNET and that magnet is a disc/ring magnet that is MAGNETIZED THROUGH ITS DIAMETER!

Like a speaker magnet?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #372 on: April 04, 2006, 04:33:05 PM »
Wow, that's cool stuff, tao. You've done a great job. What progam did you use to do that? Is it possible to show the individual details and their dimensions? Maybe this way we can start the concrete discussion of the details and come up together with the concrete designs and send it for machining, as jaybird's original idea was. And, yes, I think wood'll be a good first choice. 

I'm not so sure I agree with your rotor magnet concept, however. I know you've done simulations but I still think the original Torbay three(four)-magnet rotor variant is to be preferred. Seems it will make the motor more powerful. You may prove me wrong, though.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #373 on: April 04, 2006, 04:55:34 PM »
perhaps i have misread the following statement

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but for pushing (down) the magnet you need TWO Frep*cos(alpha) from alpha 45 or greater to alpha=0 (exactly in the circle).

No, powering of the magnet (pushing it down, as you put it) is spontaneous ? no energy is spent by the motor. It can occur under the action of gravity, for instance. Therefore, the conclusion you make is incorrect.

in reply 141

i think i read in the newspaper or website (someplace) that this device generated a spin even in the vacuum of space and could be used to power satalites and such. if that is the case then gravity would not be a factor anyplace in this device. or are they refering to the fact that it could be modified to work in space (lightweight springs added over the magnet to push it down again to replace the gravity factor)

i am sorry to bring up old posts i am just trying to understand the posts as i read them so as to "draw" an acurate picture in my mind as to how this device works.

also let me try and understand the physics of the magnet circle and rotor relationship here. ----

the rotor is atracted to the missing force in the circle of magnets wich is caused by the removal/raising of one magnet at a time. (raising caused by unknown force as of reply 141) (i have a theory on how this works but will save it untill i catch up to present replies for the sake of redundancy)
as the rotor turns the next magnet is being raised and the rotor continues in motion toward the now raised magnet.

i still do not understand the purpose of the plate on top...... it has been mentioned to "push" the magnet down but that would create friction and resistance in the rotor so that couldn't be right.... am i missing something?

well back to reading...

danny

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #374 on: April 04, 2006, 04:58:39 PM »
I am going to provide a complete visual communication with calculations I did in FEMM for magnetic analysis of the two rotor ideas. The 3/4 magnet rotor idea DOES work, but I am of the mind, RIGHT NOW, that the disc magnet magnetized through its diameter might be better.

Tao, would you be able to post your FEMM files that you did already on here. That way we/I can do some calculations too?

thanx!

Dutchy

 

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