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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 207634 times)

Offline dutchy1966

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #300 on: April 01, 2006, 07:49:21 PM »
clutchy1966, I suggest that we express all dimensions in metric system. Also, there are two CD formats -- 8cm and 12cm diameter.

Whatever cd size is fine to me, on second thought i think the 8 cm as the rotor would be large enough. Around that the stator magnets/levers can be arranged.
I would suggest that we put all information and plans we agree on in a MS word document which everyone can access. (attach it to messages here?)
I've seen that jaybird is quite good at the graphics, so maybe he wants to draw the plans we agree on. jaybird?

Also I think that we should first concentrate on the stator levers/magnets. Maybe make some working samples of them so we can test the lifting and descending of the magnets.
We can also work out then if it needs springs or not.

Do we need more ppl involved?  Who wants to join?
sofar we got Jaybird,Omnibus,dutchy

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #301 on: April 01, 2006, 08:07:46 PM »
If there is a cap like plate above the rotor fixed to it, which will hold down
all stator magnets except the one which is lifted and it will
also push down the already lifted stator magnet again when turning on,
then I agree, that it would probably need no springs
on the stator magnets.

When will some Argentina friend finally find the AVI file which Torbay
had on his website ?
I would really like to see how fast the rotor is rotating in his motor.

Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Offline Dansway

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #302 on: April 01, 2006, 09:18:02 PM »
Here is another example for rotation.

Menger Motor

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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #303 on: April 02, 2006, 04:15:57 AM »
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Also I think that we should first concentrate on the stator levers/magnets. Maybe make some working samples of them so we can test the lifting and descending of the magnets.
We can also work out then if it needs springs or not.

I agree. Stator, properly made, seems to be the biggest problem.

Also, CD mechanism is fine but I'm afraid it's too flimsy (CD pops-up too readily). Three magnets can be put on the CD but these mechanisms and ramps for lifting and lowering need a sturdier construction, I think.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #304 on: April 02, 2006, 04:47:49 AM »
Hi all...have been busy today as Softball season has started for my kids....I wont be able to be back on probably until tomorrow evening...but I will have a few pics to share.

? I have documented a few things and want to share them also...I can tell you this from todays experimenting with this setup: There are strong forces on the magnets, so both the rotor and the arms need to be pretty sturdy...today I used an old HDD platter and pop-sicle sticks in tandem with wooden dowel axles...force will pretty quickly overcome my setup, but I am very excited about what I see....

 Jay 8)

PS: I hope to drop in every now and again tonite and tomorrow morning...so please share any findings you may have also.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #305 on: April 02, 2006, 11:41:38 AM »
A proposal on how to use the rotor cap to also lift
the stator arm (see picture) .


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Offline dutchy1966

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #306 on: April 02, 2006, 12:31:48 PM »
A proposal on how to use the rotor cap to also lift
the stator arm (see picture) .

Hi Feb2006,

That's funny , I've been thinking about the same principle too (that is putting a guiding weel on the stator segments).
Still I think that the stator magnets should stay down on their own (once they're pushed down by the descending system). If not the wheels on all the stator segments will keep touching the cap and that might well slow down the engine. Thats why I still think a spring can come in handy to keep it down when the segment is not involded in raising or descending. I'll make a little drawing of how i see it and put it on here later....

Omnibus,

I think you're right about the CD's. But I was only thinking about the rotor when aI mentioned the 8 cm cd's. I guess if you have two of them and glue the rotor magnet in between (and some more supports all the way round it should be sturdy enough (and its lightweight). Also jaybirds idea of a harddisc motor and platter sounds good. I still got one 3,5 inch HD here that i can use.

Dutchy

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #307 on: April 02, 2006, 01:18:22 PM »
Feb 2006,Omnibus,Jaybird

Here's the drawing of my idea with the help of a spring. The spring should create a little downforce on the stator magnet while its not being used.
Does it make any sense?

Dutchy

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #308 on: April 02, 2006, 04:27:21 PM »
Lowering the arm in the presence of the rotor may still be difficult. Spring will help a lot. But what about lowering it before rotor even reach it? It is like timing it a little ahead.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #309 on: April 02, 2006, 04:30:11 PM »
dutchy1966, I think the idea for the guiding system seems good as long as it?s appropriately shaped to ensure proper timing of lifting and descending. I wonder about the spring holding down the stator magnet. Wouldn?t it be better to have it attached perpendicularly to the main lever. In this way it will always pull the stator magnet down until it is forcibly lifted by the guiding system.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #310 on: April 02, 2006, 05:30:48 PM »
Lowering the arm in the presence of the rotor may still be difficult. Spring will help a lot. But what about lowering it before rotor even reach it? It is like timing it a little ahead.

@georgemay:
Don't quite get what you mean by that. Do you mean leave all the staor magnets up and get them down by a guiding system as the rotor approaches? Could you make a little drawing of that idea?

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #311 on: April 02, 2006, 06:03:38 PM »
That seems the opposite of the construction we're discussing. What is the advantage, though?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #312 on: April 02, 2006, 06:31:21 PM »
The only thing dutchy1966 added to my idea was a spring.

Ther's no ned for a spring if you tilt the stator arm slighly
down ther will be a downwards force betwen stator magnet and rotor magnet.
See simple and exaggerated picture.

Still no need for a spring.
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #313 on: April 02, 2006, 06:53:34 PM »
Feb2006, the three rotor magnets will keep the opposing three stator magnets down in your construction. How about the rest of the descended stator magnets, how are they gonna be kept steadily down without a motor cap or springs?

Honestly, I?m still debating as to whether Torbay?s solution for keeping the stator magnets down through motor cap and lifting them through a wheel pushing on a triangle wouldn?t be the simplest so far. I like your and dutchy1966?s solutions too but which ones would be easier to make and most efficient still is unclear to me.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #314 on: April 02, 2006, 07:07:42 PM »
Feb2006, the three rotor magnets will keep the opposing three stator magnets down in your construction. How about the rest of the descended stator magnets, how are they gonna be kept steadily down without a motor cap or springs?

Honestly, I?m still debating as to whether Torbay?s solution for keeping the stator magnets down through motor cap and lifting them through a wheel pushing on a triangle wouldn?t be the simplest so far. I like your and dutchy1966?s solutions too but which ones would be easier to make and most efficient still is unclear to me.

The only thing dutchy1966 added to MY idea was a spring.

look at my
{? Reply #305 on: Today at 09:41:38 AM ?
A proposal on how to use the rotor cap to also lift
the stator arm (see picture) .}


And for the cap and wheel i still use it.

I just dont like the need for a spring.


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