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Offline Dansway

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #270 on: March 31, 2006, 10:27:44 PM »
Triangle in yellow.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #272 on: March 31, 2006, 10:36:19 PM »
Yes, I see the triangle ... where are the stator magnets ...

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Offline Feb2006

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #273 on: March 31, 2006, 10:47:36 PM »
Yes, I see the triangle ... where are the stator magnets ...
well were did he atached them?
im only tryring to explain how he puch the leveres upp and down.
The fourth stator magnet is going down wile the fifth is going up.
one push from abow and one from below.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #274 on: March 31, 2006, 10:57:03 PM »
ok how did he make the the fifth levere rise?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #275 on: March 31, 2006, 11:45:38 PM »
So, the photo shows only the triangle attached immovably to the rotor, correct? The photo doesn't show the stator magnets or the ramp? Where are the wheels? Are the wheels part of the stator magnets?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #276 on: April 01, 2006, 12:38:44 AM »
So, the photo shows only the triangle attached immovably to the rotor, correct? The photo doesn't show the stator magnets or the ramp? Where are the wheels? Are the wheels part of the stator magnets?
not the rotor the triangle is on the leveres ,the big weel are attached to the rotor the smal weels on topp of the leveres.
The big weel is pushing one levere upp and a slanted levere atached to the rotor is  pushing one leveres down.
One going upp one going down.
look at all the pictures its so simple.

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« Reply #277 on: April 01, 2006, 12:57:45 AM »
Omnibus,

   Responding to your reply #275, I think there are a couple of observations you may be missing here, and this of course is only my opinion. First, what we see is not the rotor disc but the stator assembly sitting on the disc base. This assembly appears too big to be the rotor. If you look closely at the left edge of the photograph, just above center, you can see a smaller hub looking thing that is probably the rotor.
   Another reason this assembly is probably not part of the rotor is that we see a hinge pin in the foremost (stator) magnet holder. As far as I understand, the rotor has no parts that hinge.
   And now for the confusing part: that same foremost stator magnet holder HAS NOT YET BEEN MOUNTED TO THE BASE IN ITS PROPER POSITION. It is turned around 180 degrees so that, for purposes of the photograph, the viewer can see the triangle. And by the way, the triangle IS the ramp.
   There are two reasons I think the magnet holder is turned around: First, look at the position of the hingepin. It is inboard on the disc. All the other configurations we've seen of Torbay's device show the hingepins in the outboard position. Second, if you look closely at the next stator magnet holder in the background, you can see that it is mounted (or at least placed) in opposite fashion on the base plate. If you can't see the hingepin outboard, look at the top trays on the two different magnet holders. Each tray has two short verticle siderails that do not run the full length of the tray. It is apparent that the parts of the top trays without siderails are in opposite configuration, i.e. the foreground one is outboard and the background one is inboard.
   If there are springs here, they may be held inside the long boxes (running radially) that form the base of the magnet holder. The configuration for their engagement would be as shown in Liberty's sketch Rotorlift.jpg, reply #262.     
   As for the wheels, they have not yet been installed in this assembly.
Hope this helps.



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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #278 on: April 01, 2006, 01:28:03 AM »
Cisco, your explanation of the photo makes a lot of sense. If your explanation is correct (which I believe is) then my previous understanding that a triangle is attached immovably on top of each stator magnet is valid. In such a case, a wheel (the large wheel, according to liberty) attached on the rotor, ahead of the three rotor magnets, will get underneath the triangle attached to the fourth stator magnet (the triangle protruding somewhat so that it can reach the large wheel) and as the rotor moves will start lifting it (there may or may not be a spring engaged; that?s not the substantial part). This was my initial understanding of the lifting process. Of course, the stator magnets are on hinges and, as you correctly point out, one can see the hingepins at the rear part of the assembly in the photo.

Now, suppose fourth magnet is at the apex, please explain the mechanism for lowering the fourth magnet (we already know how the fifth magnet will be lifted)?

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« Reply #279 on: April 01, 2006, 02:09:17 AM »
Continuing ... The big wheel attached to the rotor is way ahead of the three rotor magnets so that when it pushes up the triangle attached to the fourth stator magnet that fourth stator magnet reaches the apex right at the moment when the three rotor magnets exactly face three stator magnets.

At the next moment, as the rotor advances to the gap (where the ?missing? fourth magnet was supposed to be) the big wheel gets underneath the triangle attached to the fifth stator magnet.

At this same moment another ramp, attached to the rotor, having a special profile ?picks up? the fourth magnet and as the rotation progresses slowly lowers the fourth magnet down until the three rotor magnets again face three stator magnets (this time stator magnets 2, 3 and 4). How exactly does that profiled ramp attached to the rotor ?pick up? the stator magnet and lower it down? Is there a small wheel attached to the lifted stator magnet that gets into a groove in the profiled ramp? liberty says ramp pushes the stator magnet down but stator magnet if not supported, as is the case when it goes beyond the triangle, will fall by itself (either under its own weight or pulled by a spring) so there?s no need to push it down.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #280 on: April 01, 2006, 05:08:46 AM »
Here are some examples of what I feel is going on...

(some are reposted for clarity)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #281 on: April 01, 2006, 05:09:20 AM »
and here...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #282 on: April 01, 2006, 05:11:14 AM »
also evident is the TRACK MARKS from perhaps the "magnet wheel" riding around and contacting the "ramp" on the underside of the wooden prototype;

 NOTE: if it IS TRULY track marks, how many revolutions did it take to etch those into that wood? 1000's?...it may be something else, but it could be track marks.

 Also, i believe these magnets are the ones he had to "Shape" by hand....put a slight curve to match the curve of the rotor...closer means more torque.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2006, 04:25:49 PM by jaybird »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #283 on: April 01, 2006, 10:51:15 AM »
Jaybird, it appears that the wooden prototype (p15.jpg) and the one we are discussing with Feb2006 and Cisco (12a.jpg) are two different variants of a stator magnet with a triangular ramp. One (wooden prototype p15.jpg) has the triangular ramp underneath the stator magnet, the other (12a.jpg) above it. This requires the rotor wheel (wheels) to be under the level of the rotor magnets for the wooden prototype, as in your schematic, and above the level of the rotor magnets for the prototype in 12a.jpg. This now seems to be established.

The new moment for me from your explanation is that because of the mutual repulsion the stator magnets when pushed up stay there (and don?t fall spontaneously under their weight) until the specially shaped rotor cap forces them down in a slope. It appears, however, that the rotor cap is the ?sist. de descenso controlado? in the general view of the motor (prototipo en corte.jpg on page 25) and not the ?tapa? as you?ve indicated in your schematic.

Now that we know what the concrete form of the lifting mechanism is (triangular ramp) it?s interesting to find out what the rotor cap exactly looks like.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #284 on: April 01, 2006, 12:14:42 PM »
(12a.jpg) is one arm underconstruction no magnet on it yet.

 

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