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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 189906 times)

Offline jbh

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #225 on: March 31, 2006, 12:11:26 PM »
Here's the link to the video: http://overunity.com/snyder/

thanks for the links, but those are not from the machine that torbay made.
Anyway, the first video does not show anything impressive. it is just a rotor with a very low friction, that cannot start by itself, it needs literally a "helping hand".
The second video, shows a rotor with magnets, holded by hand with rotates at a constant speed. if the device can generate energy, the speed should increase with time. It seems to me that there is a hidden battery somewhere (constant voltage, constant speed) probably in the white ring, which they do not show in the inside.

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a working "torbay" motor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #225 on: March 31, 2006, 12:11:26 PM »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #226 on: March 31, 2006, 01:18:39 PM »
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By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a working "torbay" motor.

I don?t think you need to be shown a working Torbay motor. Why? Because you?re like the people who live in the villages in the outskirts of Sofia, Bulgaria. This is a community of its own ? very nice people, laborious, with a unique culture, but quite set in their ways. Here?s what Shops say:

?There? nothing higher than Vitosha (Vitosha is their mountain) and nothing deeper than Iskyr (Iskyr is their brook, hardly a river).

?Why should I worry since even if I worry it will soon pass.?

?I hate to think. When I think it feels like I?m wrestling a bear.?

One day a Shop found himself in the zoo facing the giraffe. He kept watching and watching and in the end concluded: ?There is no such animal?.

Proof that your reaction doesn?t differ much from that of the Shop is the following conclusion you make regarding second Snyder?s video:

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The second video, shows a rotor with magnets, holded by hand with rotates at a constant speed. if the device can generate energy, the speed should increase with time. It seems to me that there is a hidden battery somewhere (constant voltage, constant speed) probably in the white ring, which they do not show in the inside.

First, the device does generate energy because it obviously rotates which means that a body with a mass is being driven by a force to cover distance, becoming greater and greater. This energy, generated by the body, is at the expense of no energy input from the outside.

Notice, the device is generating energy even if its speed isn?t increasing with time. Have you ever seen a motor turning at given rotations per minute without external input of energy? I haven?t. Until Snyder?s video.

Your comment about the hidden battery is so ridiculous and offensive that needn?t even be mentioned. Here me out well ? there is no hidden battery in Snyder?s device. Period. Also, seeing Snyder?s working, you don?t need to see Torbay?s device to convince yourself that self-sustaining magnetic motors are real.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #227 on: March 31, 2006, 01:47:14 PM »
Hi everyone,

So far I've been only following the discussions about the torbay engine. Somehow I felt the time has come to join this discussion :)
At the moment I think this engine is one of the few that might possibly work.
I've studied the information given here quite well and think that the only way to get forward with this is to join the "believers" (not negatively meant)  understanding together in a joined plan of how this thing is to be build. I think everyone could agree to the fact that we should continue here with the people that are open to this sort of innovations. As for all others that think it is a hoax or it doesn't work anyway, just leave and stop bothering the rest....
As for myself I would say I've got a pretty good understanding of the engine. There is only one thing at the moment which i do not grasp yet and that is where the springs are exactly and how are attached to the rest of the stator construction.
Anyone here that understand the mounting of the spring exactly?

Dutchy
 

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #227 on: March 31, 2006, 01:47:14 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #228 on: March 31, 2006, 01:50:22 PM »

If I were talking about **APPARENTLY working** designs I would have said hundreds.? Unfortuantely the majority are hoaxes.? I do believe a few I've read about work.? I'd say Tesla had a working system.? As well as the group in Switzerland, Minato, Ed Gray, etc.? I've not seen enough about this design.

see, there is your problem: believing is for God, life after death, and such things. Not for motors, engines, tools and such devices.

Everything adds up, they should work.? But I have to use "believe" because I've not personally evaluated them.? The evidence for this is there.? What you mentioned above has no evidence of existence.? I'd put my money on the magnetic motor way before something that has no evidence at all.  In fact I'd say its impossible that something out there does not work.?

Plus there is definately evidence of coverup in the US.? Tells me something is definately going on.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #229 on: March 31, 2006, 01:58:26 PM »
Here's the link to the video: http://overunity.com/snyder/

if the device can generate energy, the speed should increase with time.

Not really.? Take two magnets and hold them N-N or S-S at a given distance.? The resistance force is going to be pretty much constant until you change the distance.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #229 on: March 31, 2006, 01:58:26 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #230 on: March 31, 2006, 03:21:14 PM »
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By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a working "torbay" motor.

I don?t think you need to be shown a working Torbay motor. Why? Because you?re like the people who live in the villages in the outskirts of Sofia, Bulgaria. This is a community of its own ? very nice people, laborious, with a unique culture, but quite set in their ways. Here?s what Shops say:

?There? nothing higher than Vitosha (Vitosha is their mountain) and nothing deeper than Iskyr (Iskyr is their brook, hardly a river).

?Why should I worry since even if I worry it will soon pass.?

?I hate to think. When I think it feels like I?m wrestling a bear.?

One day a Shop found himself in the zoo facing the giraffe. He kept watching and watching and in the end concluded: ?There is no such animal?.

Proof that your reaction doesn?t differ much from that of the Shop is the following conclusion you make regarding second Snyder?s video:

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The second video, shows a rotor with magnets, holded by hand with rotates at a constant speed. if the device can generate energy, the speed should increase with time. It seems to me that there is a hidden battery somewhere (constant voltage, constant speed) probably in the white ring, which they do not show in the inside.

First, the device does generate energy because it obviously rotates which means that a body with a mass is being driven by a force to cover distance, becoming greater and greater. This energy, generated by the body, is at the expense of no energy input from the outside.

Notice, the device is generating energy even if its speed isn?t increasing with time. Have you ever seen a motor turning at given rotations per minute without external input of energy? I haven?t. Until Snyder?s video.

Your comment about the hidden battery is so ridiculous and offensive that needn?t even be mentioned. Here me out well ? there is no hidden battery in Snyder?s device. Period. Also, seeing Snyder?s working, you don?t need to see Torbay?s device to convince yourself that self-sustaining magnetic motors are real.

In hundreds of years of **serious** scientific work, nobody has found a single machine able to do "perpetual motion" or in other words, the ability for generating energy from "nothing", and I (or any other skeptic) are the one who has to come with evidence that such devices are frauds??? I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the system works in the other way. If you find something like this, it has to be reproducible again and again by  independent investigators in order to be considered serious.

That's all, I haven't seen any **serious** evidence of a working perpetual-magnetic motor here. SUre I've seen evidence of rotors/wheels turning **apparently** without external energy, but I can find many other more plausible explanations.

About your last phrase, why is so ridiculous to comment about a hidden battery?? why is it offensive?? is'n it  more ridiculous to say that the device breaks  phisic's laws tested and retested over and over again by thousands of much more intelligent scientist, experts in phisics and with lot of resources, than saying that there there is some hidden trick?

I come again to the same point: if it works, just prove it!! it should not be so hard, to build such a machine isn'it? if "self-sustaining magnetic motors are real" I should be able to build one don't you think?


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #231 on: March 31, 2006, 03:33:12 PM »

Plus there is definately evidence of coverup in the US.  Tells me something is definately going on.

You may be right about that, but think about this: would the US gov. be able to coverup such a simple device (a few magnets and other common pieces) in the whole world??? I've seen reports of such supposed-magnetic-perpetual-motors in europe, russia, argentina, panama, just to mention some. ANd nobody never has comed up with a working modell, instead we have seen hundreds of frauds and lies and hidden energy sources in such marvelous devices.

Please tell me have really anybody here thought about, that ***maybe*** the simplest explanation (and hence the most probable) tho the whole torbay or magnetic motor story, is that it is a fraud?? just think about it.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #231 on: March 31, 2006, 03:33:12 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #232 on: March 31, 2006, 03:55:37 PM »
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In hundreds of years of **serious** scientific work, nobody has found a single machine able to do "perpetual motion" or in other words, the ability for generating energy from "nothing", and I (or any other skeptic) are the one who has to come with evidence that such devices are frauds??? I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the system works in the other way. If you find something like this, it has to be reproducible again and again by  independent investigators in order to be considered serious.

So, if it is reproduced by others, despite the **serious** scientific work that has been done ?in hundreds of years? proving it?s impossible, you would accept it. Don?t you see the lack of lack of logic in what you?re saying.

This way of contradictory thinking and lack of understanding of the scientific method indicates that you are not a scientist or have very limited scientific credentials. Therefore, you should restrain from expressing opinions about scientific matters, especially when they are of the magnitude we?re discussing here.

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That's all, I haven't seen any **serious** evidence of a working perpetual-magnetic motor here. SUre I've seen evidence of rotors/wheels turning **apparently** without external energy, but I can find many other more plausible explanations.

It doesn?t matter that you haven?t seen. You?re not qualified to judge the merits of a scientific discovery.

besides, I?ve given you a link to a video from which you would be able to see what you need to convince yourself of the viability of self-sustaining magnetic motors. As I said, however, it was in vain giving you that link because you don?t have the credentials, you?re not qualified to judge properly about the viability of the claims.

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About your last phrase, why is so ridiculous to comment about a hidden battery?? why is it offensive?? is'n it  more ridiculous to say that the device breaks  phisic's laws tested and retested over and over again by thousands of much more intelligent scientist, experts in phisics and with lot of resources, than saying that there there is some hidden trick?
 

The failure of others (if they indeed have been failures and not coverup) by no means justifies alleging Snyder as being a fraud.

It is not only ridiculous, it is offensive. You should apologize to Snyder for making such un-sustained, libelous suggestion. Otherwise you?ll prove that you?re worse than the scam artists you describe. You?re a fraud, if you don?t appologize to Snyder.

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I come again to the same point: if it works, just prove it!! it should not be so hard, to build such a machine isn'it? if "self-sustaining magnetic motors are real" I should be able to build one don't you think?

These are empty words uttered by a person of limited education with no or limited scientific credentials. You?d better not waste the bandwidth of this forum.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #233 on: March 31, 2006, 04:11:35 PM »
Like i said berore.. Please keep this post only about information on the motor... If you want to discredit it, do it in your head and don't post. I'm no Moderator of any kind, but i'm very interested in this device. Besides if you think things like this won't work.... What the hell are you doing reading a site like this? ???

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #234 on: March 31, 2006, 04:14:41 PM »
Like i said berore.. Please keep this post only about information on the motor... If you want to discredit it, do it in your head and don't post. I'm no Moderator of any kind, but i'm very interested in this device. Besides if you think things like this won't work.... What the hell are you doing reading a site like this? ???

My thoughts exactly!!

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #235 on: March 31, 2006, 04:21:00 PM »
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As for myself I would say I've got a pretty good understanding of the engine. There is only one thing at the moment which i do not grasp yet and that is where the springs are exactly and how are attached to the rest of the stator construction.
Anyone here that understand the mounting of the spring exactly?

Dutchy

 ?That is a question I am working on also...I feel that I have a very good concept of how "I think" this works...I even have been testing the ideas behind it as I go...but I am having a small problem with the springs also.

 ?I think the springs would keep a constant force DOWNWARD on the magnet levers... these levers need to be positioned at just the right place (a little above mid-center) of the rotor (all in repel)...the repel force of the rotor and magnet lever would try to force the magnet lever up, (with the fulcrum at the rear), but the lip-edge on the rotor-cover would not allow this until a "sweet spot" (notice the Up-Turned lip edge) allows it to...the spring may only "help" the magnet lever as it works its way back down to a steady repel-repel mode.

 ?More later, with pictures of my findings so far.


Jay



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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #236 on: March 31, 2006, 04:23:09 PM »
Hi,
Sorry for my english, i'm from argentina. And sorry for the translation too.

There is an explanation in the hispaseti forum from Mr Torbay that reply the questions from others members.
Sorry if you already have this information.

Mr torbay say:

QUERIDO AMIGO
Dear friend

LA FUERZA UTILIZADA PARA QUE GIRE EL BRAZO ROTOR ES EL MAGNETISMO ENCERRADO EN LOS IMANES PERMANENTES.COMO PRODAS VER EN EL VIDEO CONSTANTEMENTE HAY 8 IMANES QUE SE ENCUENTRAN ENFRENTADOS .

The force used for the rotation of the rotor arm is the magnetism inside the magnets. How you can see in the video there are 8 magnets in front permanetly.

EL BRAZO ROTOR( EL QUE GIRA) TIENE 4 IMANES PERMANENTES CON SUS POLOS NORTE ORIENTADOS HACIA LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES EXTERNOS , LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES A SU VEZ TIENEN EN SU EXTREMO INTERIOR IMANES PERMANENTES CON SUS POLOS NORTE ORIENTADOS HACIA EL BRAZO ROTOR, DE ESTA MANERA SON 8 LOS IMANES QUE SE ENCUENTRAN BAJO EL EFECTO DE RECHAZO DE POLOS IGUALES .ESTA ENERGIA ES MUCHO MAYOR QUE LA NECESARIA PARA ELEVAR INDIVIDUALMENTE UNO DE LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES EXTERNOS . AL ELEVAR UNO DE LOS BRAZOS LOGRAMOS QUE EL RECHAZO MAGNETICO SEA MENOR EN ESA ZONA POR LO QUE EL BRAZO ROTOR TENDERA A GIRAR HACIA DONDE RECIBA MENOR RECHAZO ,AL ALCANZAR ESTA POSICION EL BRAZO ELEVADO ES LIBERADO Y BAJA POR EFECTO DE UN RESORTE MIENTRAS EL BRAZO INMEDIATO POSTERIOR ES ELEVADO.DE ESTA MANERA OBTENEMOS UN DESPLAZAMIENTO CIRCULAR CONTINUO

The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion. This energy is much greater than necessary to raise one external raising arm. Wheb we raising one arm we get that the magnetic repulsion is lesser in that zone and the rotor arm tend to gyrate to the zone of lesser repulsion, in this position the raising arm is released and it go down for the action of a spring while the next arm is raisinsg. Then we get a continuos circular movement.


.RECORDEMOS QUE INVESTIGACIONES CIENTIFICAS HAN DEMOSTRADO QUE LOS IMANES PERMANENTES QUE SE ENCUENTREN BAJO EL RECHAZO DE POLOS IGUALES CONSERVARAN SUS PROPIEDADES MAGNETICAS CASI SIN ALTERACIONES DURANTE APROXIMADAMENTE ENTRE 5000 Y 50000 A?OS (DEPENDIENDO DEL MATERIAL CON EL QUE SEAN FABRICADOS LOS IMANES PERMANENTES)

Remember that cientifics investigations demonstrate that permanent magnets under magnetic same poles repulsion  will conserve theri magnetic propertys without alterations between 5000 and 50000 years. (depending of materials of magnets)

CON RESPECTO A PORQUE EL MOVIMIENTO NO ES UNIFORME ( ALGUNOS BRAZOS SE ELEVAN MAS Y OTROS MENOS) ES DEBIDO A QUE LOS CORTES REALIZADOS EN LOS IMANES LAMENTABLEMENTE NO SON PERFECTOS ,YA QUE ES MUY DIFICIL CORTARLOS A TODOS IGUALES (CUALQUIERA QUE HALLA INTENTADO CORTAR UN IMAN PERMANENTE DE TIERRAS RARAS SIN TODAS LAS HERRAMIENTAS NECESARIAS SABRA A QUE ME REFIERO) DE IGUAL MANERA ESTE DEFECTO NO IMPIDIO QUE EL DISPOSITIVO GIRE IGUAL .

Referred to why the movement is not uniform (some arms are raising more and others less) it is because
the cuts made in the magnets are not perfect because it is very difficult to cut them in the same manner) Anyone that has tried to cut permanent magnet without the necessary tools  know this) But this defect does not impede that the device gyrate.

SI OBSEVAN EL DISPOSITIVO QUE ESTA FILMADO EN ESTE VIDEO NO ESTA CONECTADO A NINGUN ARTEFACTO (DINAMO,ALTERNADOR) CON EL FIN DE TRANSFORMAR EL MOVIMIENTO EN ENERGIA ELECTRICA.EN BREVE SUBIREMOS VIDEOS EN LOS QUE SI ESTA APLICADO CON ESE FIN,ADEMAS TENEMOS PENSADO EN PARTICIPAR EN TODAS LAS FERIAS Y EXPOCISIONES DE CIENCIA QUE SE REALICEN EN ARGENTINA ,POR LO QUE PRONTO LO PODRAN VER EN VIVO

If you watch the device in this video, it is not connected to other device (dynamo, alternator) to transform the movement in electric energy. Soon we upload videos in that the device is applied to this goal. Moreover we think to participate in science exhibition in argentina, so soon you can see it.

POR OTRO LADO NOSOTROS EN NINGUN MOMENTO HEMOS PEDIDO DINERO .DE HECHO HEMOS RECIBIDO INFINIDAD DE OFERTAS ECONOMICAS MUY IMPORTANTES LAS CUALES HEMOS RECHAZADO.EL UNICO MOTIVO POR EL QUE INGRESAMOS A ESTE FORO ES CON EL FIN DAR A CONOCER INFORMACION CIENTIFICA DE LA QUE DISPONEMOS Y COMPARTIRLA CON QUIENES QUIERAN RECIBIRLA ,NO ES NUESTRA INTENCION COVENCER A ESCEPTICOS NI ENTRAR EN POLEMICA CON NADIE
SIEMPRE NOS HEMOS DIRIJIDO A USTEDES CON RESPETO Y ESPERAMOS IGUAL TRATO.

In the other hand we never asked for money. We have received infinity economic offers that we rejected. The only reason we have enter to this forum is to bring and share cientific information. It is not our intention to convince covence skeptics neither to cause controversy.
We ever have directed to you with respect and ask you the same behavior.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #237 on: March 31, 2006, 04:29:06 PM »
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The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion. This energy is much greater than necessary to raise one external raising arm. Wheb we raising one arm we get that the magnetic repulsion is lesser in that zone and the rotor arm tend to gyrate to the zone of lesser repulsion, in this position the raising arm is released and it go down for the action of a spring while the next arm is raisinsg. Then we get a continuos circular movement.

? I take that back! The spring DOES in fact keep constant downward force...and the "wheels" are rolling magnets that "lift" the lever magnets....hey!

 Now I am getting somewhere.... Thank you Cesarc !

EDIT ADDED: Now I will have to order magnets...I have been testing using all round magnets, since all of my rectangle and square magnets are used in another project...
  This also confirms my theory that the rotor in fact needs to be as close to 1/2 the size of the diameter of the lever magnets (stator iguess you can call it)...at least that is what I found in my experiments...notice:

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The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion.
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« Reply #238 on: March 31, 2006, 04:44:32 PM »
It appears to me that the purpose of the springs is to assist gravity, to ensure that the magnet returns to the lower resting position.  The rollers on top of the magnets are bearings to provide a physical stop to limit the upward travel of the magnet.  A repulsive magnet might be used in place of the wheel bearing to limit upward travel of the magnet when it flips up out of the way of the rotor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #239 on: March 31, 2006, 04:56:30 PM »
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 ?I think the springs would keep a constant force DOWNWARD on the magnet levers... these levers need to be positioned at just the right place (a little above mid-center) of the rotor (all in repel)...the repel force of the rotor and magnet lever would try to force the magnet lever up, (with the fulcrum at the rear), but the lip-edge on the rotor-cover would not allow this until a "sweet spot" (notice the Up-Turned lip edge) allows it to...the spring may only "help" the magnet lever as it works its way back down to a steady repel-repel mode.

I think thats what stefan meant aswell. But if I look at the pictures from the wooden prototype i see coil like springs laying next to the motor that seem to be used in a pushing fashion. To me they don't look like the type that is used to pull things inward.....
Could you post drawings of how you think one stator segment is constructed including positioning of the spring?

thanks,
Dutchy 

 

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