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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 188575 times)

Offline Liberty

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #210 on: March 30, 2006, 08:23:49 PM »
If you can do a close up look at the picture or go to the web site to view it, you can see the alignment of the rotor in relationship to the magnets.  You have to imagine where things are at as it rotates.  I currently do not have a sketch of this.  But I wanted to put this idea out so that we all could understand how the device can rotate and how you can build your own replication to verify it's operation.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #211 on: March 30, 2006, 08:28:29 PM »
Liberty, so you think the rotor is made such that it in fact starts lifting the fourth magnet even before the three rotor magnets are fully aligned with the corresponding three stator magnets? When they are fully aligned the fourth magnet is fully lifted and thus it doesn't obstruct the further motion of the rotor which in its part starts lifting the fifth magnet while lowering the fourth. That's interesting. Could you sketch it somehow?

It does not appear that the armature has any magnets.  It only uses a steel rotor.  The magnetic force comes from the stator magnets as it spins.  The rotor accepts and maintains the force of 3 stator magnets into the rotor as it spins to use for a repulsive force.  Does that make sense?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #212 on: March 30, 2006, 08:41:15 PM »
I was just about to post this :

See, the picture appears very blurry on my screen. Is the rotor shown in the picture in motion? I don?t seem to be able to see the three rotor magnets save that they are beveled. Can you somehow place arrows to show where the rotor magnets are and what exactly are the stator magnets, as well as the bevel and the stator magnet that is lifted?

But then you're saying there are no rotor magnets. Is the picture taken while motor is moving, do you think?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #213 on: March 30, 2006, 08:49:25 PM »
Could it be that there is just one slanted leading arm, part of the rotor, which lifts the magnet just ahead of the front of the rotor semicircle edge (rotor appears to be a semicircle). Thus, said magnet doesn't obstruct the motion. When rotor progresses, that magnet is lowed back while the arm lifts the next magnet. Lack of rotor magnets puzzles me.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #214 on: March 30, 2006, 08:58:30 PM »
In the picture you posted Liberty,
the rotor magnets are beneath the upper plate,
which isprobably the plate to lift up the next stator magnets.

It can only work, when magnets are also inside the rotor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #215 on: March 30, 2006, 09:01:44 PM »
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In the picture you posted Liberty,
the rotor magnets are beneath the upper plate,
which isprobably the plate to lift up the next stator magnets.

That sounds reasonable. Where is the lifted stator magnet in the picture, though? Also, do you think the top plate of the rotor obstructs the construction and it cannot really be seen in the picture?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #216 on: March 30, 2006, 09:02:20 PM »
Here is what it looks like to me.  Could be wrong, but I think it may have merit.

The stator magnets are the stationary magnets.

Here is the picture:

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #217 on: March 30, 2006, 09:12:29 PM »
Thanks, liberty, now it's a little clearer what you mean. I still don't see the lifted stator magnet in the picture. The one that appears lifted is too far from the area where the repelling occurs. Also, the mechanism of lifting and lowering the magnets is unclear to me. Probably, it is described in the patent but the patent is still not available, as sbassi pointed out in the other thread.
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #218 on: March 30, 2006, 09:17:01 PM »
There are no magnets mounted in the hinged supports that are in the picture.  Remember that the end of the magnetic field is the reacting force and it extends beyond the physical magnet and rotor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #219 on: March 30, 2006, 10:40:38 PM »
@liberty
The rotor magnets in this picture are under the half circle plate inside the rotor !
You can not see them in this picture.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #220 on: March 30, 2006, 10:56:43 PM »
Hi Hartiberlin,

I was looking for the magnets that might be on the rotor, but I could not find them in the original web site pictures.  Do you have a picture of where you think they are located that you can show us?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #221 on: March 30, 2006, 11:01:28 PM »
@liberty
look back in the thread at the 2 patent drawings
which were posted.
(The one with M4 and M5,
there you see the 3 rotor magnets)

Why do you try to confuse the people over here, by telling them,
that there are no magnets in the rotor ??

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #222 on: March 31, 2006, 12:39:17 AM »
Maybe Gonzo can again translate these things please ?
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Hi Hartiberlin,

Sorry that you were upset about my understanding of the motor.  From your above quote and picture, I see that a magnet may be in the rotor at the tip to assist in lifting the magnet and possibly at the trailing edge of the rotor?  But I can not see any pictures that show this.  It also says that the brass center rotor(I assume that it is the center of the rotor which the picture says is neodymium??? Does not make clear sense) holds the rotor arm. (which the translation of the picture says is magnesium and then it says it is neodymium? (Clear as mud!)   I'm not sure that the rotor arm is made out of magnesium or neodymium, but if it is it may need a magnet on the trailing edge to repel the rotor.  If this is the case, I would have serious doubts that the motor would spin.  It would likely lock up???  What is your best guess of how the motor could spin?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #223 on: March 31, 2006, 12:44:26 AM »
Another thought just occurred to me.  Perhaps a magnet is in the center hub of the rotor arm that is also a north (repelling pole) towards the rotor?  This may add to the repulsive power of the rotor?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #224 on: March 31, 2006, 11:55:18 AM »

If I were talking about **APPARENTLY working** designs I would have said hundreds.  Unfortuantely the majority are hoaxes.  I do believe a few I've read about work.  I'd say Tesla had a working system.  As well as the group in Switzerland, Minato, Ed Gray, etc.  I've not seen enough about this design.

see, there is your problem: believing is for God, life after death, and such things. Not for motors, engines, tools and such devices.

 

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