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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 192321 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2006, 01:42:16 AM »
Here is a flux graphics I just made with the great new program:

http://www.vizimag.com

I will post a ZIP archive with all the pics and data files I made
and maybe somebody else can make a real good animation with it.
It is pretty easy, but I don?t have much time right now, cause I have to
finish a different other project.
Many thanks.
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2006, 01:42:16 AM »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2006, 01:50:46 AM »
Here is a WinRAR archive with all the vizimag.com
files about Torbay simulation.
You need WinRAR to unpack them.
Sorry, did not have WinZIP on this PC right now....

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2006, 02:18:57 AM »
Here is another simulation GIF pic with longer rotor magnets,
but I guess I have to make first around the stator circle
just stator magnet by magnet in a row....so it is a real circle....

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2006, 02:18:57 AM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2006, 03:01:37 AM »
Here is another simulation GIF pic with now all 4 rotor magnets
facing the more stator magnet. In the center of the rotor is iron.
Now I just removed stator magnets to see, where the whole
inner flux goes. Too bad this program has no force calculation...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2006, 04:43:02 AM »
Here is still a better setup:

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2006, 05:15:50 AM »
Stefan,
I?m sorry but I can?t complete force simulations until this weekend, but I expect to post it as I promised (I?m using FEMM).
From a preliminary analysis, I agree with you that without springs the device doesn?t work. Even more: it is critical the ratio between string force (potential) and the distance between stator magnets. Even more: the system has losses if only the next magnet is pulled or you need a very very fine syncronism between them ... I?ll try to complete the simulation this weekend...
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #186 on: March 30, 2006, 10:43:02 AM »
I think the essence of the device is in the mechanism for lifting the magnets and the synchronization of their lifting and bringing down.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #186 on: March 30, 2006, 10:43:02 AM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #187 on: March 30, 2006, 01:31:01 PM »
As far as I understand Torbay claims to be pretty open about it and wants to disseminate it widely.




Probably will not happen if he wants to try to sell it.? I'm actually planning more on the execution of getting the information out.? Right now I'd just put togeter a cheap proof of concept device and have 100 people around the world replicate it and 20 other copies.? Then time delivering it with the delivery of 1000 targeted email messages for each person with full data about the device.? Also instuctions on those people seeding torrents like crazy.? So around the world 2000 working devices, 100,000 email messages sent to people interested in the subject and torrent seeds all over the place.? A good target would be engineering students and professors.

If you want money put your information at the bottem of each page and ask for donations from people with working devices.  I'd gladly donate money to someone who got past all the government crap that has been keeping this stuff secret.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #188 on: March 30, 2006, 03:19:12 PM »
I can?t agree more that even if Torbay?s motor works it would be an uphill battle to promote it even with zero profit. Isn?t that amazing, the whole Argentinean press was covering it and no one in the US has even heard of it? Even the Argentinean consul in New York wasn?t aware of it. Probably even the majority of us interested in this topic would not have heard of it if Jodo300 didn?t post the link here in this topic of the forum.

This is an obvious deliberate silencing of an important invention. As far as I understand the University of Texas at Houston where Wesley Snyder has demonstrated his device is completely silent. Not a word. Trying to kill it by ignoring it.

How am I to be certain that there hadn?t been such working devices in the past which had been deliberately shunned by the powers that be, vigorously promoting the doctrine that building of such devices is impossible? I can?t. Call me a conspiracy theorist but in the face of the facts I?ll wear such label as a badge of honor.

Therefore, I think it is very important as part of this discussion to talk about how to get across to society and to mainstream science, in particular, that self-sustaining motors are not an illusion.

One thing I?d do, and I mentioned it in one of my previous posts, is I will personally see to it that magician James Randi writes a 1 million dollar check to Torbay. As far as I understand, there are some other volunteers that are willing to give sums, although smaller, to an inventor who would show them a self-sustaining machine. I will seek them too and will make sure that they put their money where their mouth is.

Your idea about the torrents and the many people to send motors to is interesting but it needs some more thought, I think. Probably it is not unimportant who these motors are sent to. Unless you want to help directly the poor in Africa by supplying them with energy bypassing the official channels of help (probably because you don?t trust them too much). I think it wouldn?t do much to convince society by convincing just the powerless, be they students or professors. This device has somehow to get through the brick walls of the media and for that matter it has to somehow get across to the official publications of Academia (not just students and professors) ? I still entertain the hope that there are parts of Academia which care for the truth in science and to whom science is not just a job scheme which you maintain through protecting a certain official doctrine.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #188 on: March 30, 2006, 03:19:12 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #189 on: March 30, 2006, 04:23:26 PM »
By the way, can anyone give some clarification regarding some Jose Alberto Zapata who appears to be a competitor of Torbay according to the text from http://www.asalup.org/content/view/156/27/ approximately translated by BabelFish:

"This impossible news was reproduced without pudor by several means, among them, the section news of the Conicet; then, anyway, it was not taaaan unusual: Already from the year 2001 another Argentinean, Jose Alberto Zapata, struck read average doors of loosely protesting recognized like the inventor of engine Magnetic of identical description and supposed benefits aluminium of Torbay. He demanded subsidies although he clarified that already he had received pinguees supplies; and imploraba because the government listened to it, since nothing wished more than invention IN the country dwells to maintain ingeniously. Argentina, deaf means, almost listen to it and were On the verge of receiving $ 30,000. - of hands of the Ministry of Property of the Rioja; by some l?cido the folder vetoed the subsidy printing "overabundant" IN luck. Thus it was as the despechado inventor sold IN the 2003 license of CSU engine To Magnetics of engine company SA, a Panamanian company formed by multinational capitals; In spite of the good that sounds, it does not have dwells to have made sufficient money because it continued demanding "an incentive" stops in robs twelve factories IN the Chamical, where would give to work To TWO thousand people making insumos for magnetic CSU engine. Something left times. IN the 2005, as Sarmiento exile IN the valley of Zonda, wrote a solitary message aluminium foot of the news on bottoms To the technology: "I am the inventor of engine magnetic, that does not consume no type of fuel, nor electricity. Marketable ecological It, it Argentine, it and have an ample future, because it the form to channel magnetic read for CWS that exists IN the Earth. - "[ 2 ]. And no longer we knew of him. Barbarians, read ideas do not imantan themselves!."

Does anyone know any details about Zapata's motor and what this is all about?


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #190 on: March 30, 2006, 05:22:15 PM »

Warning: this is a skeptical site !

http://www.asalup.org/content/view/156/27/


yeah, I already noticed that this is a site for "believers" only.... that site may shake the faith of many here....


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #191 on: March 30, 2006, 05:25:55 PM »
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that site may shake the faith of many here....

On the contrary, that site may have just the opposite effect.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #192 on: March 30, 2006, 05:37:31 PM »
I?m sensing a lot of envy and aggressive incompetence in these Spanish forums. That should be ignored. The facts are making them look like fools.

Sorry, but... would you tell me what facts are you talking about?? until now I have only seen some BLURRY pictures and some diagrams/plans. Besides, nobody has been able to confirm the "invention" by building another working model. If that are your "facts" forgive me for not believieng in Torbay. On the other hand  I think that it make a lot more sense NOT to ignore those forums, and to think about who is realy the fool in this story....

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #193 on: March 30, 2006, 05:44:49 PM »
Mr. Bassi,
you have not seen yet the motor and just title it as a scam.
That is very unscientific !
We have an eye witness over here, Mr. TheHyperT from gnn.tv
and he and his friends  have seen it running and have investigating it.

Of course! analyzing a phenomena through the TV is a very scientific way to go!!!

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #194 on: March 30, 2006, 05:58:11 PM »
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I think that it make a lot more sense NOT to ignore those forums, and to think about who is realy the fool in this story....

Who really is the fool in this story is already known. These are the ones who deny the production of excess energy in devices using permanent magnets. You want facts. OK, here we go: SMOT, Wesley Snyder, Walter Torbay ...

Only SMOT would?ve been enough, if you are really scientifically minded. SMOT is a device which produces excess energy periodically.

For those who are not scientists one should mention, for instance, Wesley Snyder who has already demonstrated directly self-sustaining magnetic motor (cf. http://overunity.com/snyder/ ). Also, the viability of Torbay?s motor has been confirmed by first-hand witnesses (cf. Stefan?s previous posts) as well as by other reliable parties which I will not reveal now. Very soon there?ll be more direct proof on the reality of the claims connected with Torbay?s motor. As I said, however, we don?t even need to go as far as Snyder or Torbay. Production of excess energy is occurring still in the SMOT.

 

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