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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 193736 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #165 on: March 29, 2006, 08:37:29 PM »
Unbelievable. Torbay?s motor is the most sensational thing I?ve ever heard of. It?s true that the principle is inherent still in the SMOT and also that it is Howard Johnson who has spurned on the modern quest for magnetic motors and also that numerous researchers have offered constructions. The great contribution of Torbay is that he has managed to assemble a practical working device which he appears ready to openly share with the world.

Among other things, I will personally see to it that magician James Randy writes a check of $1,000,000 to Torbay, a check I?ve heard Randy has promised to anybody who could show him a working overunity device. I would appreciate it if someone could provide me with concrete info about that Randy?s challenge.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #166 on: March 29, 2006, 08:46:30 PM »
I only have one thing to say about this...... WOW!...... Now I'm glad I posted this. I didn't think we would've been able to dig up nearly this much information! Can't wait to see the video of it running..... Hey can we get in touch with that editor to see if he can lead us to Torbay?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2006, 08:48:06 PM »
I'm definately ready to build this thing. If we can come up with some kind of concrete plan to replicate this, I have plenty of magnets and a guy who can do top-notch machine work for me; so as soon as we are ready to run with this I am too.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2006, 08:48:06 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #168 on: March 29, 2006, 09:06:21 PM »
If someone that truly understands how the magnet path and movement works on the TGM, could make a picture and diagram exactly how the magnets move and when for everyone on this site to see (a diagramed plan).  Then anyone with the ability could make the device for themselves but not for resale and verify the results of Mr. Torbay.    Does anyone totally understand the magnet movement to make this diagram?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #169 on: March 29, 2006, 09:41:33 PM »
Here is a brand new article about it,
but the author did not mention my site, although he posted over here...
Warning: this is a skeptical site !

http://www.asalup.org/content/view/156/27/

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #169 on: March 29, 2006, 09:41:33 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #170 on: March 29, 2006, 10:52:06 PM »
Hi All,
here is a quick drawing I just made of the principle
of the Torbay motor.
As I am not at home, I don?t have my scanner here and
I needed to digitize with my PDA camera which was a bit blurry..
Anyway, I hope the idea gets through.

The lever arm is probably not wide enough drawn.
The lower 6 o?clock stator magnet must be lifted up, shortly before
the 2 rotor magnets are in line with the 12 and 3 o?clock stator magnets.
Then the lever arm must release the 6 o?clock stator magnet down again
and must lift the 9 o?clock stator magnet,
when the rotor magnets are in position 3 and 6 o?clock.

I have drawn only 4 stator magnets for better viewing, but it is
probably better to build it with 6 stator magnets at least.
The springs must be beneath ( under) the stator magnets and
they have to be this hard, that the could pull down the magnets
again, when the rotor lever arm has moved away.

I hope it gets clear a bit from this blurry picture.
If you have any question, please post.
Thanks.
P.S: Maybe it would be good to have a 3rd rotor magnet inside this
drawing at the 9 o?clock position ! Then the repelling forces would be even bigger !
The lever arm is also drawn here wrong, as it must be under the stator magnet to pull it
up not down as here drawn... sorry...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #171 on: March 29, 2006, 10:56:36 PM »
I?m sensing a lot of envy and aggressive incompetence in these Spanish forums. That should be ignored. The facts are making them look like fools.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #172 on: March 29, 2006, 11:01:35 PM »
Stefan, I don't think springs are needed. There must be some kind of profiled shaft which turns together with the rotor and lifts and releases the magnets at the right moments. That shaft I think is the trick.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #173 on: March 29, 2006, 11:29:50 PM »
Omnibus, I think, indeed springs are needed to store the energy
of the lifting of the stator magnets.

Otherwise this energy is lost and the rotor also must supply this energy to pull
the stator magnets down ! I think it will only work with springs.

Read my theory of operation posting a few pages back here, where I describe it
as a superposition of 2 principles.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #174 on: March 29, 2006, 11:43:23 PM »
Why is the energy of lifting lost? The magnets fall pulled by gravity and this is how they recover the energy spent to lift them up. Unless, you want to make the motor independent of gravity. But then more energy is needed to lift the magnets (once to overcome their wieght and second to extend the springs). It's possible, though.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #175 on: March 30, 2006, 12:34:36 AM »
Omnibus,
the gravity force is much too small in the motor to pull
the magnets down again ! As here are real big forces at play
you also need pretty powerful srprings to pull the magnets down
again, as these are strong Neodym magnets...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #175 on: March 30, 2006, 12:34:36 AM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #176 on: March 30, 2006, 12:43:14 AM »
OK, that makes sense to me. Especially because this makes the motor independent of gravity. But still I wanna know the mechanism of synchronization of lifting the magnets. It'd be nice if we could find some blueprints of the motor. As far as I understand Torbay claims to be pretty open about it and wants to disseminate it widely.

By the way, did you find out how was that person you cited able to see the motor and even disassemble it? Did he go to Argentina or what? And, what happened to the video, no one has it, is that what it is?


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #177 on: March 30, 2006, 01:09:03 AM »
Hello,

Just to tell that we have published a new article about this scam. Please read the new ASALUP article.
Full patent text will be available at 10th of April, that is a 2 week delay brought you by Argentina Patent Office (they still live in the stone age!).

Best regards,
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2006, 01:13:46 AM »
I looked at the text in the link you gave: http://www.asalup.org/content/view/156/27/ and with the combined efforts of Google Language Tools and BabelFish was able to understand somewhat the main idea there.

It really boggles the mind how people claiming to have devoted themselves to defending science could be so non-scientific.

The most important criticism which should be directed at their text concerns the fact that they have not actually seen the device. They criticize something which they have not even seen. And criticize it heavily. This is like someone who criticizes a book without even having read it. There were things like that happening in some countries but then the systems there collapsed very badly and now hardly anyone in these countries is proud of these practices.

The lack of knowledge of the device is obfuscated in a lot of historical detail and useless talk which may be amusing for some but serves no purpose to justify the denouncing of Torbay?s device. An invention cannot be denounced because there had been other inventions that were unworkable or fraudulent. This is a bizarre approach to criticism which has nothing to do with science.

Blatantly misunderstood is also the essence of the principles of thermodynamics. What rules is the experiment. Demonstrate an experiment yielding reproducible results and whatever laws there are have to be checked against this experiment. The experiment has the priority, not the principles of thermodynamics. It might have happened (as it has) that in almost every experiment these principles have been obeyed and yet one experiment, at, say, some special conditions, is needed to put the general validity of these principles into question. Yes, it may sound strange to the writers of the text in the site, but the principles of thermodynamics are prone to questioning if a viable experiment appears which is not in harmony with them.

Therefore, this continuous nagging on the side of the authors of the text to have the laws of thermodynamics obeyed is just sheer misunderstanding of how things work in science. It?s the opposite of how they understand it.

This text contributes nothing to understanding Torbay?s motor and can easily be ignored by anyone who is serious about finding out the truth behind that motor.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2006, 01:37:34 AM »
Mr. Bassi,
you have not seen yet the motor and just title it as a scam.
That is very unscientific !
We have an eye witness over here, Mr. TheHyperT from gnn.tv
and he and his friends  have seen it running and have investigating it.

 

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