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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 192461 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #150 on: March 27, 2006, 05:19:22 PM »
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What force move magnet M5 out of the ring?

M5 is the next magnet, so to move M5 away you need a force bigger than the repulsion of M4, becasuse M5 spring force sholud be equal or bigger than M5 repulsion force.

And again we are with the same problem M4 and M5 are the same strength...

The force to move M5 up comes from the combined repulsive forces of M1, M2 and M3 as well as, partially, M16 and M15. While lifting M5 magnet M4 is out of the picture (it?s lifted), therefore, M4 doesn?t exert any force. M4 starts exerting a force when it?s dropped right at the right moment, that is, when the three rotor magnets have moved to the next position facing three stator magnet. In such a case the force exerted by M4 is favorable for the rotation (recall what the role of M3 was when we first started ? it was favorable; now M4 has taken the role of M3).

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #151 on: March 27, 2006, 05:35:17 PM »
OK I give up  with you guys...

I am not a teacher of phisics, just an engeneer so I do not have the resources to teach you basiscs phisics...

I will think later how to build a simple machine like this for a cost of some little $ so you can build it and latter show mw how it works or doesn?t.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #152 on: March 27, 2006, 05:37:33 PM »
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Hi Omnibus,
the first law is always correct, otherwise the universum
would have been collapsed.

We disagree on that. First principle (as well as the second) is due to purely empirical observations. Exceptions to it (if there are such ? I still haven?t seen one although I may appear here as arguing in favor of Torbay) would mean violation only in very special cases which will not affect the integrity of the world as we know it.

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It is really just a conversion of 2nd law energies, that means
heat is converted to mechanical energy and then into electrical energy
and in the load back to heat, so it is just a cycle of heat being used very
efficiently.

Heat cannot be converted more efficiently to work than the Carnot cycle allows. The enthalpy dH always contains an entropy component TdS in addition to the free energy dG (free energy in the sense of Gibbs, not in the sense we use it here in this forum). Work is only due to ?dG while the part TdS is inevitably lost ? it can never be turned into useful work. This is what we know so far.

If, as you presume, the first principle is intact, then your supposition would imply that it is the quantity TdS that can be turned into useful work. Although this is in itself something blasphemous to state in the mainstream science it still is not enough, even if true, to account for the huge amounts of useful energy claimed to be produced by Torbay?s device.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #152 on: March 27, 2006, 05:37:33 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #153 on: March 27, 2006, 05:43:18 PM »
Okay, Omnibus, I disagree with you in this.
There are better conversion processes than the Carnot cycle,
especially with right turning circle processes  in PV diagrams.
There heat is converted on a 100 % efficiency to mechanical
energy,so it is a heat machine which does not need a heat sink,
just a heat source !

I still think all free energy machines just violate just the "second law".

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #154 on: March 27, 2006, 06:12:27 PM »
OK. Let's agree to disagree. Let's discuss this at some future time in a different topic, not here. Too much to discuss here regarding Torbay and if we start another discussion within this one it may turn into a mess.

I'm just gonna mention again that I have not seen a convincing demo of an overunity magnetic motor yet (the most promising so far are those of Wesley Snyder and Torbay but I still haven't seen a clear cut experiment). What still keeps my interest in the subject (even if these turn out not to be viable) are the electrolysis of water in an undivided cell and the SMOT where I think production of excess energy does occur (continuous in the first and periodic in the second case). The principle of production of excess energy in these is not at the expense of the heat of the environment. And, to mention again, the claimed energy produced by Torbay is too much for it to be accounted for by cooling the environment.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #155 on: March 28, 2006, 12:26:31 AM »
Hi Omnibus,
just calculate, how much energy you could win,
when you just cool down 1 qubic meter ( m^3 ) of air by 10 degrees Celsius,
e.g. from 20 degrees Celsius to 10 degrees Celsius !

And then calculate the same for 1 m^3 water...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #156 on: March 28, 2006, 04:19:31 AM »
Torbay claims to be producing approx. 2000J every second. If his motor produces that much energy at the expense of cooling the air then in 1h it would cool down the air of good sized room by 10 degrees. Think about if that?s true what Mike Brady?s motor (if he really produces the claimed 300kW and that really is at the expense of cooling the air) will do to the air in the room.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #157 on: March 28, 2006, 05:37:43 PM »
Torbay claims to be producing approx. 2000J every second. If his motor produces that much energy at the expense of cooling the air then in 1h it would cool down the air of good sized room by 10 degrees. Think about if that?s true what Mike Brady?s motor (if he really produces the claimed 300kW and that really is at the expense of cooling the air) will do to the air in the room.

and not to mention that torbay has not even talked about heat regarding his machine!!!! I wonder how much time some guys here will need to see that this is just another hoax...  Already in the 8th century (I guess)  was presented a "magic wheel" in germany, the idea was similar, a wheel with magnets and another one in the floor. Only one side of the wheel was (supposedly) under the attraction of the magnet in the floor. You think about the error... It seems that some people do not learn from past experiences... On the other hand, you don't need to be a genius to see it is a hoax, just common sense:  if Torbay's machine realy work, how is that the guy is not a millionaire already, and some big company is producing his invention, or that he has not received any atention by some university/research group??? Ald last: I challenge everyone here to come up with a working replica of the "magic magnet motor", and not just a bunch of weird ideas or uncomplete theories.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #158 on: March 28, 2006, 06:09:13 PM »
Have you ever considered that he might be under goverment pressure to stop his exposure to the public. This is not just your every day dicovery. This can change the world and they are afraid it is going to cause caos. It is just like if they told you we are not alone in the universe and you are just supposed to be like oh ok...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #159 on: March 28, 2006, 06:22:50 PM »
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I wonder how much time some guys here will need to see that this is just another hoax...

It will be very nice of you if you could restrain from such statements. You have no grounds to accuse Torbay?s motor of being a hoax. None, whatsoever ...

I should point out also that the example you give of a German machine isn?t the same as Torbay?s. It?s for you to figure out why. Also, it should be very clear that Torbay not being a millionaire (if he really isn?t) should by no means serve as an argument against his invention. Neither is an argument against his invention the fact (if this really is a fact) that no University has expressed interest in his invention.

People like you, who attack groundlessly the inventors, are worse than the hoaxers you describe.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #160 on: March 28, 2006, 06:37:48 PM »
From

http://thehypert.gnn.tv/blogs/13912/Perpetual_Energy_a_Reality

"I agree with you snark, it goes against thermodynamics, in fact when I first saw this dude a month a go I though he was somekind of scammer?..........Until I saw the thing running.

What can I say besides it works as they say. They shown us the thing, unwired and all, and when they turned the thing on all the ?testers? jumped to numbers quite close to those they mention.

Anyways, Here?s the main site , hope you guys understand argentinean.

                                                                                                         TheHyperT @ 03/22/06 19:03:41"

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #161 on: March 29, 2006, 04:17:31 AM »
this is interesting. Now we have someone with a firsthand report.
Hope he can finally get us a video and bigger pics of this TGM !

Many thanks !
« Last Edit: March 29, 2006, 08:00:06 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #162 on: March 29, 2006, 03:03:06 PM »
Very good digging Stefan, I appreciate the links to the story...I am searching for more info also. ;D

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #163 on: March 29, 2006, 04:44:15 PM »
I have found that if you use firefox to do a google search, and use 'Walter Torbay 29', that you will find several articles spread over several google pages that can be translated into English.  I found that if I do the same search using Internet Explorer, that it does not bring up the Spanish sites.  Reason for the difference is unknown.  It is usually the same article over and over from site to site.  I know of an article at:  http://www.derf.com.ar 

It is somewhere in that site.  The URL goes off of the printed sheet so I can't give more detail.  Mr. Torbay said in one article that his device can deliver about 1930 watts.  I am very surprised that it is capable of delivering that kind of power from a slow mechanical device.  It sounds like the government in Argentina is holding a test of the device and may not allow it to be sold outside of the country.  So better get a good understanding of the device because you will probably have to build it yourself if you want one or move to Argentina.  They are also getting an international patent.

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« Reply #164 on: March 29, 2006, 07:39:05 PM »
Here is again the full phrasing of the firsthand report:

>Betcha they didn?t let you poke around much, did they?

firsthand witness TheHyperT answers:

They did actually, we checked for hidden cables and that shit (c?mon, is basic standarts, how wouldnt I?) and they let us disassemble the thing.
It was clean, and unlees they had a way to create a rupture in space and deliver energy to the device without cables nor anything we could detect (and that would be cooler than the TGM itself) it works just fine.

The thing is pretty small, almost hand-size so it was easy to check for hidden wires and stuff like that.
Its compose of just a few components so it was easy to disassemble it, and then reassemble it.
And guess what? it worked again?
Well this guy is running on a pretty tight budget so I wouldnt ask for a fullsize website like those corporations have.
Anyways, I think there was a guy with a camcorder shooting the reunion, I?ll try to contact him so you guys can see the video of the thing in action.
And I understand your doubts snark, I didnt believe in the TGM until I was there seeing it in action. They even powered a laptop and a Tv at the same time while we measured the electrical output.
And again, the 5000 years mark is the magnets, only god knows how much time the TGM can keep running, but one thing is certain: they have one unit running since day one, more than a year ago.

TheHyperT @ 03/22/06 20:05:59

 

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