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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 196566 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #120 on: March 27, 2006, 03:15:02 AM »
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Rather than speculating on its operation, it would be easier to just make a test model and verify it for ourselves. What would be optimal is if we could establish a direct line of communication with him and have him show us how to build one.

I agree. I?ve been trying to get in touch with him for several days now ... unsuccessfully so far but I?ll keep trying.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #121 on: March 27, 2006, 10:17:44 AM »
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=866.0;attach=1003;image)

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(54) Generator of continous movement by permenent magnets
(57) The present (patent) is a generator of continous movement using permanent magnets using the rejecting properties of same poles and the magnetic forces deviations caused by cuts in the magnets, using as only energie source the the one given by the magnetism closed in the magnets that compose the device.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #122 on: March 27, 2006, 10:37:05 AM »
I know that you are very deluded with this device, but I am sure it does not work, simple calculations demostrate that...

I understand that is dificult to see why it does not work but if you let me know were you think that the force that moves continuosluy the device I will try to explain you what fails in that...

Please bare in mind that I do not pretend to be negative, Actually when I first looked at it I thought it worked but after some cold mind analisis it is clear it does not work.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #122 on: March 27, 2006, 10:37:05 AM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #123 on: March 27, 2006, 11:47:56 AM »
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I understand that is dificult to see why it does not work but if you let me know were you think that the force that moves continuosluy the device I will try to explain you what fails in that...
 

OK. Start with one magnet up, as is in the picture. Don?t start as you?ve done in your previous explanation with all magnets down. At that, a tangential net force is claimed to exist which pushes the magnet rotors away from their position shown in the picture, towards the gap. It is also presumed that the net repulsive force in question is not only enough to turn the motor but also to lift one magnet off of the gap while the rotor is moving towards it next position facing three stator magnets down. During this motion the magnet that was initially up is dropped at the right moment so that the net tangential force is restored to move the rotor further away, towards the new gap, and thus to repeat the whole above-described procedure all over again. This keeps repeating and the rotor turns indefinitely.
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #124 on: March 27, 2006, 01:48:40 PM »
OK lets do it looking to inventors picture:

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=866.0;attach=1003;image)


The problem is here:
"It is also presumed that the net repulsive force in question is not only enough to turn the motor but also to lift one magnet off of the gap"  
This is a presumtion, but is it true?

Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

At the same time that the rotor turns have to move M5 out of the ring, but remenber this magnet has a srping that keep it on the ring, and to keep it in the ring you need the same force as the repulsion that produces M5 over the rotor. (if the force of the spring is lees than that think that magnets number M1, M2, M3 will move away from the ring and there will will be a gap there then...)

So if M4 = M5 the repulsion forces they produce are equals as well aren't they?

So if both forces are equal witch force will make it move?

 

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #125 on: March 27, 2006, 02:04:44 PM »
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The problem is here:
"It is also presumed that the net repulsive force in question is not only enough to turn the motor but also to lift one magnet off of the gap"
This is a presumtion, but is it true?

I agree. This is the gist and it has to be shown that it holds true. We will presume here that it does. I don't see why strong enough magnets cannot be found which at a particular shape and configuration will not accomplish this presumption.

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Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

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At the same time that the rotor turns have to move M5 out of the ring, but remenber this magnet has a srping that keep it on the ring, and to keep it in the ring you need the same force as the repulsion that produces M5 over the rotor.

We already said that, presumably, the net force in the first picture will be more than enough than that needed to lift magnet M5. This is the gist of the invention. Notice also that M5 is away form the rotor in the first picture and its repulsive force can be neglected compared to the overall force which pushes the rotor towards the gap.

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So if M4 = M5 the repulsion forces they produce are equals as well aren't they?

So if both forces are equal witch force will make it move?
 

First, these forces are not equal at the various moments of movement of the rotor. Force due to M4 is practically non-existent in the first picture (that?s the pivotal point of the invention). The opposing force due to M5 can be neglected in the shown picture, as was mentioned.

Thus, the force that will make the rotor move is the combined force of M1, M2 and M3 as well as partially of M15 and M16 which push the rotor towards the gap in the above picture.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #126 on: March 27, 2006, 02:55:31 PM »
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Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

I see that you have the problem here, if you do not have this clear it is imposible you understand the rest...
I think that putting formulas and such will not help you to understand it, so I am trying to find a simple sample were you can understand it...

As soon as I find something clear I will post it.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #126 on: March 27, 2006, 02:55:31 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #127 on: March 27, 2006, 03:04:34 PM »
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Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No,, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

I see that you have the problem here, if you do not have this clear it is imposible you understand the rest...
I think that putting formulas and such will not help you to understand it, so I am trying to find a simple sample were you can understand it...

As soon as I find something clear I will post it.
 

OK. Let me see the example. So far, however, you haven?t identified a problem in what I?m saying.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #128 on: March 27, 2006, 03:07:36 PM »
OK I just thought another way to look at the device.

just think and try to give me an answer:

What force move magnet M4 out of the ring?

If the answer is your hand: sorry but you are adding energy to the system so no overunity...

If the answer is the mechanical sistem of the device: sorry again, but the strength of the spring is the same or bigger that the repulsion it creates if not the magnet will move away from the ring...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #129 on: March 27, 2006, 03:14:22 PM »
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What force move magnet M4 out of the ring?

As was agreed, we start with magnet M4 up. This is the design. In the overall energy balance of the machine you do not include the energy spent to manufacture the details of the device and to put them together in the desired design.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #130 on: March 27, 2006, 03:42:45 PM »
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... the second law, which
is by the way no law at all, cause it
only was defined by experience, but there are
many experiments, which violate the "second law"
under certain conditions...

Stefan, could you please identify what these experiments might be, violating the second principle of thermodynamics.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #131 on: March 27, 2006, 04:05:52 PM »
This motor is an interesting device, however, the speed that this motor can turn must be fairly slow in order to allow for the mechanical rising of a magnet and the spring return of the magnet.  Speed would be an issue.  Using a coil to move the magnets would be much more practical and just use a generator to recover the power used to make it self running.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #132 on: March 27, 2006, 04:11:36 PM »
I don't think the speed is an issue. Even if the rotor turns, self-sustaining, at the pace of a snail it would be revolutionary. The question is, does it turn at all with no external energy input? This is what we have to clarify.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #133 on: March 27, 2006, 04:21:27 PM »
Yes, I agree that it would be of great interest if the device would spin continuously.  But I was looking farther down the road to see if it could be made into something really useful to generate power.  It is very doubtful that this device could do that on a useful level.  But perhaps the knowledge of this device will lead to something that will perform better in the future?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #134 on: March 27, 2006, 04:22:45 PM »
Stefan, could you please identify what these experiments might be, violating the second principle of thermodynamics.

Here is one, a flying vortex ring in air gains mechanical energy by cooling down
the air around it.
Due to the "second law" and viscosity laws of the air, it should have come
to a stilllstand already after about 1 Meter or less, but as the vortex
ring flies away, it can blow out candels very forcefully in 30 or 50 Meters away.

Right after the barrel it can?t even blow out a candle, but in 30 Meters the blowout is very
forcefull. I have seen this experiment already !
See:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,865.msg5485.html#msg5485

 

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