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Author Topic: Magnet motor in Argentina  (Read 190157 times)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #240 on: March 31, 2006, 05:26:40 PM »
cesarc, thank you for the translation. Before discussing it I'd like to ask you the following. Torbay refers in his explanation to a video. Do you by any chance have this video? If you do, would you be so kind as to upload it to this forum? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #241 on: March 31, 2006, 05:40:11 PM »
cesarc, as I understand from Mr. Torbay?s description, in this particular configuration under discussion in the Spanish forum, the rotor magnets are four and not three as we have seen in a previous picture discussed here in this forum. This wouldn?t make much of a difference with regard to the principle of action, I guess (only that four rotor magnets would probably make the motor more powerful). I still don?t understand, however, how the stator magnets are being lifted and then lowered. Torbay refers to a ?rotor arm? but this I take it to mean just ?rotor? not having anything to do with a possible arm that lifts or lowers the magnets. Am I understanding it right?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #242 on: March 31, 2006, 05:53:59 PM »
I will probably get clobbered for this again, but; I believe upon close inspection of what is said in the translation, the 4 magnets in the rotor, are actually the 4 stator magnets that are facing the rotor (providing the magnetic effect of 4 magnets).  The strength of the stator magnets in the rotor are providing the repulsive power in the rotor to lift the magnetic cradle arm. 

At the beginning, it is stated that there are only 8 permanent magnets.  If you refer to my previous picture, you can see that there are 4 stator magnets facing the rotor.  I believe that the stator magnets are providing the only magnetic field in the motor through the rotor.  I believe that Torbay is saying that the strength of the 4 stator magnets through the rotor are plenty of power to lift the cradle arm magnet.

Here is another example of a working motor that has excellent torque that uses the same principle.


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #243 on: March 31, 2006, 06:14:20 PM »
liberty, I think we should already consider established that the rotor has magnets immovably attached to it. The picture we discussed shows three rotor magnets while in this new text by Torbay the rotor magnets are four. Torbay speaks of 8 magnets because he counts the four rotor magnets and the corresponding four magnets of the stator facing them. This is a peculiar way of explanation which was present still in Torbay?s first text which we were struggling to translate and discuss. There, in that previous text, Torbay was talking about 6 magnets ? three rotor magnets facing three stator magnets. And, based on this picture he wrote also equations with which he tried to explain where the driving net force comes from.

This part, as I said, I take as already established and it does not comprise the problem. The problem, as I see it is, what is the concrete mechanism of lifting and lowering the stator magnets? Also what are exactly these cuts in the magnets which Torbay mentions, that are hard to attain uniform?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #244 on: March 31, 2006, 06:18:39 PM »
Hi Omnibus
The post from Torbay was made in 2004, November 8.
http://www.hispaseti.org/foroWanaH/viewtopic.php?t=3314&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=b612d30b33fe784c0805547d85dc9fa1

Apparently there was a video in that time, but now the video does not exist in the Torbay's page.
http://www.icyti.ar.gs/

There are no other information. I sent an email to Torbay, but he does not reply.

I still don't understand how the device work. ???
 

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #245 on: March 31, 2006, 06:31:10 PM »
liberty, I think we should already consider established that the rotor has magnets immovably attached to it. The picture we discussed shows three rotor magnets while in this new text by Torbay the rotor magnets are four. Torbay speaks of 8 magnets because he counts the four rotor magnets and the corresponding four magnets of the stator facing them. This is a peculiar way of explanation which was present still in Torbay?s first text which we were struggling to translate and discuss. There, in that previous text, Torbay was talking about 6 magnets ? three rotor magnets facing three stator magnets. And, based on this picture he wrote also equations with which he tried to explain where the driving net force comes from.

This part, as I said, I take as already established and it does not comprise the problem. The problem, as I see it is, what is the concrete mechanism of lifting and lowering the stator magnets? Also what are exactly these cuts in the magnets which Torbay mentions, that are hard to attain uniform?

Hi Omnibus,

To answer your question:
If you understand the version of the rotor as I explained it, the magnet cuts are easy.  Torbay cut an angle on the stator magnets.  The top of the magnet is the closest to the rotor to concentrate the magnetic force to run the motor.  The lower part of the magnet that faces the rotor is 'beveled back'.  This provides more room for the rotor to pass(avoiding coliding magnetic fields) with the repelling field creating less resistance and allowing the motor to spin.  It also creates the proper angle for the leading edge of the rotor to repel and lift the cradle arm magnet.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #246 on: March 31, 2006, 06:36:47 PM »
Thers no spring in the construction thers only a spring effect when the arm is lowerd
against the rotor magnet.

"AL ALCANZAR ESTA POSICION EL BRAZO ELEVADO ES LIBERADO Y BAJA POR EFECTO DE UN RESORTE MIENTRAS EL BRAZO INMEDIATO POSTERIOR ES ELEVADO"

When REACHING THIS POSITION The HIGH ARM IS RELEASED And LOW BY EFFECT OF MEANS WHILE The LATER IMMEDIATE ARM IS ELEVATED

The arm thats going downvards is pushed down by a ramp abowe it.
take a look att the picture


Sist. de descenso controlado =  downward controle system

Do you see it?

Its so simple.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #247 on: March 31, 2006, 06:41:26 PM »
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I still don't understand how the device work.

cesarc, I?ll try to explain briefly, as I have understood it. The rotor has only three (let?s take the tree-magnet variant) adjacent magnets which face three of the otherwise many stator magnets. The three rotor magnets are repelled by the three stator magnets (the N poles of the rotor magnets are facing the N poles of the rotor magnets).

The main trick in the whole story is to have the fourth stator magnet (if you count the three stator magnets in the direction of rotor rotation) lifted, so that it won?t stand in the way of the motion of the rotor. The repulsive force of that fourth magnet is practically canceled by taking it away.

Now, that we have ensured conditions (due to lifting of the fourth magnet) for a net repulsive force, the rotor turns towards the gap where the missing magnet is. During that process of turning the motor, a mechanism starts lifting the fifth magnet while lowering appropriately the fourth (the repulsive force is more than sufficient to lift the fifth magnet). The fifth magnet is finally lifted and the three rotor magnets are again facing three stator magnets, this time facing stator magnets two, three and four.

From this moment on you can apply the same considerations, explained above, concerning three rotor magnets facing three stator magnets. The rotor will keep turning ...

As I have said several times, the main problem, now that we understand the principle, is, what the concrete mechanism of lifting and lowering the stator magnets is.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #248 on: March 31, 2006, 06:53:38 PM »
liberty, so because of this bevel some kind of a leading arm which protrudes ahead of the three rotor magnets somehow pushes and lifts the next magnet. And when the rotor magnets come again in place, facing the next corresponding stator magnets, that arm releases the lifted magnet and starts lifting a new one. Can you sketch this more concretely?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #249 on: March 31, 2006, 07:06:50 PM »
The fourth stator magnet is going down wile the fifth is going up.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #250 on: March 31, 2006, 07:10:36 PM »
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The fourth stator magnet is going down wile the fifth is going up.

That's correct.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #251 on: March 31, 2006, 07:16:26 PM »
and how are they going up and down?
they are pushed up and down with a ramp.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #252 on: March 31, 2006, 07:31:13 PM »
one slanted ramp is pushing up and one is pushing down.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #253 on: March 31, 2006, 07:32:19 PM »
That's exactly what isn't quite clear -- exactly how the stator magnets are going up and down.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #254 on: March 31, 2006, 07:33:33 PM »
Maybe one slanted ramp is pushing up and then when the ramp slides away the magnet goes down under its weight or pulled by a spring.

 

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