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Title: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 12, 2010, 07:42:59 PM
Hi,

First, I firmly believe in cop>1 research, but IMO the Joule Thief is nothing but a massive distraction from legit research. That's my firm opinion.

Anyhow, I should have posted this. I and numerous others have taken the time to replicate various Joule Thief claims, and all of the claims were well below 100% efficiency. Here's my tests -->

44% efficiency:
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/11/joule-thief-tested/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/11/joule-thief-tested/)


Also some people thought the Ultracapacitors were over unity, but they were not -->

Part number BCAP0650 (650 farads) 92% efficient:
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/08/ultracapacitor-experiment/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/08/ultracapacitor-experiment/)


Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 12, 2010, 07:51:11 PM
Photos of my Joule Thief. Note, these photos were taken after the capacitor was removed from the circuit. The capacitor that was in the circuit was the exact value that gadgetmall used. Furthermore, I tried various size capacitors, including a variable capacitor. The highest efficiency was obtained without a capacitor.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: innovation_station on January 12, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
i will not get into it with you paul ...

regards


 YOU SIR ARE VERRY WRONG! 

H

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jeanna on January 12, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Hi,

First, I firmly believe in cop>1 research, but IMO the Joule Thief is nothing but a massive distraction from legit research. That's my firm opinion.

Anyhow, I should have posted this. I and numerous others have taken the time to replicate various Joule Thief claims, and all of the claims were well below 100% efficiency. Here's my tests -->

....
Hi Paul,
I am proud that I am working with non legit systems.

I live in a box as everyone else, but it pleases me greatly to hear that my box is not the same as the legit box.

with respect,
jeanna
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 12, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
Blah Blah Blah...

I really do wish more people would post more math with their claims though.  It should be assumed the efficiency is below 100% unless otherwise proven.

I also wish those claiming any different would prove it once and for all.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 13, 2010, 12:05:05 AM
I will Soon . If not then at least the Worlds longest running Light and highest amperage power source from an AA battery . The Boards Gl sent me the day after Christmas have not arrived . we are worried . Also the JT i gave him came back mutilated two weeks later with no addresses on it but my address label and a smushed coil and lost toriod so they returned it . I repackaged it and sent with a track this time . Someone is Playing games with me and him and it has us a bit worried . I can tell you that My unit is still running almost 7 weeks straight with the bulb regulator so I assume only a professional Jt maker Like the Jt group is capable of making one because they know what they are doing  and have made 100's if not thousands  :)Parts Placement along with SOLDERING  is verified to have an effect on Efficiency although me and MK1 can make one from a toilet  paper roll that works just as well  ;D  :D  ;) Also you got to hold your mouth just right when winding . HEHE  BIO I'll demonstrate the power they have with 6 in series  Jt charged running a small 110ac inverter powering a tv or something later on when i get the time to video  and upload to youtube on dialup .
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: unzapped on January 13, 2010, 12:39:19 AM
Maybe not overunity... but illegitimate distraction? Are you out of your mind?

See my latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRer0lwVNQ

I would rather be wasting my time on devices that actually work and can be made into something useful than chasing my tail with unproven overunity claims... LOL whos the sucker?. If we spent half our time on ideas like improving the JT we could be solving some real problems in the end...

UZ
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 13, 2010, 01:44:19 AM
Photos of my Joule Thief. Note, these photos were taken after the capacitor was removed from the circuit. The capacitor that was in the circuit was the exact value that gadgetmall used. Furthermore, I tried various size capacitors, including a variable capacitor. The highest efficiency was obtained without a capacitor.
It don't look like mine . This is Stephans Unit minus the control board. Its 4 to 5 time more efficient than My 7 week running unit that is pulling 13 ma . this one 3 ma . on a dead AA alkaline battery for two weeks so far . it was a trashcan battery , The cap is full 2.77 volts . I'[m going to let it run without discharging it and see if they really do blow up or not . I was told they will start to swell up before they blow . this one looks good .
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2010, 09:12:35 AM
Just because Paul can't build a JT that works well, he has to bad mouth the circuit and those of us that work with them. 

Where are your devices Paul? 

Also it is interesting to note on Paul's website he has a statement where he says once he finds an energy device that works, he will market and sell them. What happened to OPEN SOURCE?

Here is my latest video of a cool light I made tonight using the "useless" JT circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE)

I apologize for this "massive distraction".

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: innovation_station on January 13, 2010, 04:35:21 PM
you know it will never work for those that choose to not live the DREAM! 

THE DREAM MAKERS TEAM!

H

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 13, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
Just because Paul can't build a JT that works well, he has to bad mouth the circuit and those of us that work with them. 

Where are your devices Paul? 

Also it is interesting to note on Paul's website he has a statement where he says once he finds an energy device that works, he will market and sell them. What happened to OPEN SOURCE?

Here is my latest video of a cool light I made tonight using the "useless" JT circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE)

I apologize for this "massive distraction".

Bill

Tone aside, you've made some good points.  The idea, though; I think that there will be a noticeable difference between a basic Joule Thief and one which is over unity.

It should also be noted that most circuit diagrams don't adequately convey special winding techniques employed by their builders.

In keeping with the spirit of creating positive work flow, I think this thread could use a better definition: why did this get started in the first place?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: innovation_station on January 13, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
I DO KNOW WHY .... LOL

for THAT i thank paul deeply! 
i do know how it works ...  : )

cuz ITS UNCLE BUILD!

UNCLE SAM!

im on it ... 

me and my box of junk

: )

H

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 05:18:24 PM
Maybe not overunity... but illegitimate distraction? Are you out of your mind?

See my latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRer0lwVNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRer0lwVNQ)

I would rather be wasting my time on devices that actually work and can be made into something useful than chasing my tail with unproven overunity claims... LOL whos the sucker?. If we spent half our time on ideas like improving the JT we could be solving some real problems in the end...

UZ

I can't speak about other claims, but the Steorn claim is very important. The first test I did showed  on video the magnets rapidly dropping by nearly 3°F *below ambient room temperature* in a matter of seconds.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 05:24:53 PM
Tone aside, you've made some good points.  The idea, though; I think that there will be a noticeable difference between a basic Joule Thief and one which is over unity.

It should also be noted that most circuit diagrams don't adequately convey special winding techniques employed by their builders.

In keeping with the spirit of creating positive work flow, I think this thread could use a better definition: why did this get started in the first place?

jadaro2600,

I'm surprised that you would say that without even pointing out how Pirate88179 has out right slandered me. He actually cut most of the text out of my sentence so that he can out right lie. Read my public statement  -->

http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/)

"I have never asked or accepted money for my research. I will not accept money or be bought out. I will continue the research until the exact detailed designs to replicate a “Free Energy machine” is in public hands and wide spread. Then, and only then will I start a company to market and sell such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own. My full 100% intent is to help this world as much as possible"
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
I DO KNOW WHY .... LOL

for THAT i thank paul deeply! 
i do know how it works ...  : )

cuz ITS UNCLE BUILD!

UNCLE SAM!

im on it ... 

me and my box of junk

: )

H


i will not get into it with you paul ...

regards


 YOU SIR ARE VERRY WRONG! 

H



LOL, yeah right. That's why you can't demonstrate it. That's why you & the gang avoid COP measurements like the plague.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: innovation_station on January 13, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
paul ... 

I DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO SELL MY WORK ... 


THANK YOU

BILLY THE KID! GONNA ROCK YA !
~WILL~I_`~ AM~
ALL I SAY I AM

H

GROW UP FOOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbAWBjm-cM

ONLY GOD KNOWS WHY!

H 5 TIME BABY!


4 paul   ...   

regards! ; )  THATS RE'S GARDS!  ; )  SHE STEERS THEM ...   i miss her in the 3d world!  but love her dearly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVH64Yt1JvQ

course i know BIG JIM .... 

HE IS FAMILY TOOO

BLOOD!

REGARDS AGIN !

and 1 more does that ringg your ears .... !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQcMxt-JXA

lol ; )

WELCOME ABOARD ...

SIR! FAMILY FIRST BROTHER YOU KNOW THE ROUTINE !

THANK YOU!

W. A. F.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
paul ... 

I DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO SELL MY WORK ... 

I never one time ever said I would sell anyone's work. If you read my public statement you will see that I am talking about *MY RESEARCH!*

Also I clearly said that I will not sell anything until I succeed and give such technology to the public.

That's why I have *NEVER* placed a single ad at any of my research websites.

http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/


You people can continue spread these lies about me as much as you want, lol, and I'll continue to correct you. It just shows what kind of people we're dealing with here.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: innovation_station on January 13, 2010, 07:30:25 PM
FINAL ANSWER ... 

THERE IS

ONLY

ONE!

YW

: )

AND IT IS SPLIT IN HALF!   LE AND LA .... 

ILL TAKE MY FRENCH KISS NOW! 

LOL

LOVE YA!
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: mscoffman on January 13, 2010, 07:55:16 PM

Paul;

I think you are incorrect. The Dr. Schiffler's Circuit works by inflating
a magnetic bubble inside the Radio EMF Field...This is perfectly feasible
as Nasa has shown. When the bubble collapses (this is how the
oscillator works) places where the magnetic lines have connected externally
extract energy. This is not exactly zero point energy (is cheat energy), but it it is
overunity energy relative to the funded input inflation energy. Why can't a toroid
be used in place of the high Q antenna coil with a much more intense internal
magnetic field since nothing real is perfect, and some magnetic field will inevitably
leak in&out. In other words I don't believe what you are saying.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2010, 07:57:14 PM

I think this thread could use a better definition: why did this get started in the first place?

Excellent point.  I know of NO ONE in our group or on this forum that ever claimed the JT was OU.  Not one person, ever!  Now Gadget, and a few others, have circuits of which the JT is but a part or component and they may have achieved OU.

So Paul sees one part of a system, takes it out of the entire circuit and starts a topic saying the JT is not OU.  How is this productive?  Paul has claimed I work for Big Oil.  How is this productive?

I guess I can say: The sky is not made of cream cheese.  I think that is a good analogy as no one here has claimed that the sky was made of cream cheese either.

Bill

PS  Many others have seen Paul's original quote on his website and made similar comments to mine.  I have no idea what his website might or might not say now.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
Paul
you confuse me?

Quote;
 I don't trust *anyone* here since there's an appreciable chance this entire "free energy" movement is controlled and heavily watched. Like I've said, if I had such a legit device, this forum and other similar forums would be the last place I would post such news & info! 

The above advice was given by Paul to a user called Didit,who came onto the forum to disclose a working device open source
Didit took Pauls advice

Really why are you here Paul??

Like I said
You confuse me??

Chet
BTW
Sometimes[most] you really seem sincere.
But when a new guy shows up[to disclose something] your first post to him is usually "Did you get my P.M."??
Paul Whats up with that??
This is an OPEN SOURCE FORUM [Its right up there at the top]
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: zhak on January 13, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
What for to do such бальшой the device here look works from 0.3 V
Works even from water, salt, copper, aluminium
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6123.0;attach=41049;image
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 08:33:08 PM

 btw, I have had Pirate88179 on my ignore list for days now, so if says anything I should read then please let me. This guy has out right lied about my public statement web page. In the global warming thread I posted a goolge cache link of my public statement page people could verify that I had not edited my webpage. In case people do not know, it is a google server that shows the cache date and the page contents. I have edited my public statement page.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
Paul;

I think you are incorrect. The Dr. Schiffler's Circuit works by inflating
a magnetic bubble inside the Radio EMF Field...This is perfectly feasible
as Nasa has shown. When the bubble collapses (this is how the
oscillator works) places where the magnetic lines have connected externally
extract energy. This is not exactly zero point energy (is cheat energy), but it it is
overunity energy relative to the funded input inflation energy. Why can't a toroid
be used in place of the high Q antenna coil with a much more intense internal
magnetic field since nothing real is perfect, and some magnetic field will inevitably
leak in&out. In other words I don't believe what you are saying.

:S:MarkSCoffman


More claims. Show the device and COP measurements. I replicated gadgetmall's claim because he said it was over unity. I have shown gadgetmall's quotes before.

So please stop the talk and show the proof. No? No proof yet? Okay, I'm going back to something I think is legit, the Steorn research.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2010, 08:58:41 PM
I have edited my public statement page.


Yes, I thought you might.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
Really why are you here Paul??

What, you question people such as myself who work full time doing "free energy" research, who ask for COP measurements, lol?

I am here to find the truth. I have been at this forum for years and have stated very clearly that I will not accept any $ until my devices are proven and until the simpler designs are in public hands. I have made it very clear that only after it's in public hands that I will design more complex designs and sell them, but again that's *only* after the technology is in public hands and the simpler easier designs are open sourced and after it's been proven.

That means I cannot place Advertisements on my research website, which I have never done. It means I cannot sell anything related to "free energy". I have sold nothing related to "free energy."

I have not worked for like 7 years now because I spend all of my savings on living expenses so I can work full time on excess energy research to help all life on this planet.


As you can see, it is people such as Pirate88179 who do not show COP measurements, who attack me. Pirate88179 defends people such as gadgetmall who have posted claims of over unity while not doing any COP measurements, who is opposed to global warming, etc. And he lies about my public statement.

He's the one to watch out for. I show my COP measurements, as shown in the 1st post of this thread. I have nothing to hide. Why don't you ask Pirate88179 to post his PI license? He hides behind an anonymous name attacking people such as myself who post their first and last name, who show detailed COP measurements.

And I'll do a background exchange with anyone in this thread.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 13, 2010, 09:35:11 PM
WE(Alex and I ) now have all the parts and devices to each other and i am busy putting the Controller and device in a suitable container . Anyone interested in the Group who would like a GL controller circuit board please contact me . I have 19 for serious Experimenters only !Anyone looking for a Free ride and you got another thing coming ! I can confirm the device works and will submit one to Stephan in three months  after Alex and i test drive this baby .Again anyone interested to join in the fun Pm me and i will gladly give you a board and explain what is needed of board Members .The Circuit boards are free . The Experiment is not .

Gadget
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 09:40:15 PM

Gadgetmall, why not show your COP measurements?


btw, as a reminder to all, mylow (a well known faker) also spent a great amount of time & resources while never asked for $. Mylow is one of many examples, so this proves there are people who are not interested in making $, but who are interested in distracting from legit excess energy research.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jeanna on January 13, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
Paul,
My question to you is why even do a cop measurement?
We are not dealing with the elements that your meters are using.

Why not see how much you can get that is actually useful?
A lot of experimenters stop short IMO.
They do great research then show somebody a meter for proof.

IMO a meter is not proof. Turning the lights ON and timing that is proof.


I am not interested in learning what cop my jt circuits are, but I am very confident that they are performing. And that is because I can see them doing just that.
I make no claims, but how on earth's paradigm is a 1.2v battery lighting up a cfl when that same cfl needs to be boosted to turn on even when it is in a wall circuit.
OR again, how can a much less powerful jtc light 3 bulbs that have 20leds each. These bulbs are unmodified and made for 110 sinusoidal volts.

So, again I am not putting myself in this argument by calling it cop>1, but I am willing to say that it seems to be doing the impossible.

As for free... When it takes a few squeezes on a hand generator to recharge this AAA battery or a sunny afternoon, why bother making the claim? -- or rather, why fight about the claim?

thank you,

jeanna
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 10:23:41 PM

First, I would vote you as the only moderator for all Joule Thief threads.


Paul,
My question to you is why even do a cop measurement?
We are not dealing with the elements that your meters are using.

Why not see how much you can get that is actually useful?

But who said COP measurements are not about "useful" energy? COP deals with the total output & input. The load can be anything you want.

My COP measurements of gadgetmalls device used various loads to calculate the COP. Such loads consisted of a resistor, another time it was an LED, another time it was a bcap0650 ultracapacitor.


Showing endless youtube videos of how many LEDs or whatever you can light with a JT circuit is meaningless unless the goal is to just wow or mislead people.




I am not interested in learning what cop my jt circuits are, but I am very confident that they are performing. And that is because I can see them doing just that.
I make no claims, but how on earth's paradigm is a 1.2v battery lighting up a cfl when that same cfl needs to be boosted to turn on even when it is in a wall circuit.

I don't know if you insinuating that that's excess energy because it is not. It does not take much energy to light a cfl. Long long ago I've used a lot of various common circuits to do that.




OR again, how can a much less powerful jtc light 3 bulbs that have 20leds each. These bulbs are unmodified and made for 110 sinusoidal volts.

Sorry, but that's completely meaningless. Why don't you do a simple control experiment so see if it's special. That will also give you the COP. In fact, why don't you people do any control experiments. That's really bad and misleads people in huge way. I know you don't want to do that, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jeanna on January 13, 2010, 11:14:27 PM

I don't know if you insinuating that that's excess energy because it is not. It does not take much energy to light a cfl. Long long ago I've used a lot of various common circuits to do that.

No, I am saying outright that I do not care!

Quote
Sorry, but that's completely meaningless. Why don't you do a simple control experiment so see if it's special. That will also give you the COP. In fact, why don't you people do any control experiments. That's really bad and misleads people in huge way. I know you don't want to do that, I'm sure.

I guess you still have not read the thread. I always do control experiments.

It is impossible to light a cfl with a 1.2v battery.
So,
If I can tweak a little circuit that allows me to do the impossible, I am happy with that.
A 5 1/4 hour run time on a 1.2v 2500mAH AA battery is an evening of light.
I am happy with that, even if it IS way below cop1.

jeanna
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
It is impossible to light a cfl with a 1.2v battery.

You mean directly connect a 1.2V battery to a cfl? LOL, who even suggested that, no I. There are countless common circuits that amplify the voltage, but it's not excess energy because the input current is higher than the output current.



So,
If I can tweak a little circuit that allows me to do the impossible, I am happy with that.
A 5 1/4 hour run time on a 1.2v 2500mAH AA battery is an evening of light.
I am happy with that, even if it IS way below cop1.

jeanna

I'm glad you're happy with it, but again sorry to say those experiments can easily mislead people. It is not the impossible, and it saddens me how you do not show signs of wanting to learn how to do very simple measurements to verify if it's excess energy or not. You do know the name of this website is overunity, right?

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 13, 2010, 11:35:20 PM
@paul

Get a life !

Stop bogging us , we not care for OU , so you know , piss off .

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 13, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
@paul

Get a life !

Stop bogging us , we not care for OU , so you know , piss off .

Well it's evident you people don't care about OU, lol. I won't "piss off" because I'm here to help the innocent people who fall for your garage. There are a lot of claims that IMO appear to be legit, Steorn being one.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 13, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
@paul


Did you ever do anything your self ...

Except telling others what to think ...

You really are proud of your self ? Now this side has absolutely no OU devise , so why are still here ...

Go pis off others , yes there is no OU in the Joule thief and yes we really don't care .

Just go work on something that is OU , i am sure we will not see you over here anymore and believe me No one will be missing you .
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: ramset on January 14, 2010, 12:22:21 AM
Paul
Would you please behave yourself!!
These are ADULTS you are telling to stop,not children
I for one am VERY interested in a Battery powered device to make light
or whatever else they can run.
This will open doors that are closed to 110 or AC powered devices
because of underwriters or insurance problems
Go help Sean
Chet
 
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 12:30:29 AM
Paul
Would you please behave yourself!!
These are ADULTS you are telling to stop,not children

You must have tried to reply to someone else. Who did I tell to stop? I give people information, and point out the obvious.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 14, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
You must have tried to reply to someone else. Who did I tell to stop? I give people information, and point out the obvious.

Yes you are good at telling the obvious , and let me tell you you are not special , since it is obvious we all know.

So find the obvious site and make it your home , because here you are wasting your time , thinking that you are so smart ,when in fact only your mother would agree with you.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 12:39:51 AM
Yes you are good at telling the obvious , and let me tell you you are not special , since it is obvious we all know.

I think everyone is special.  :)   That's the difference between us. btw, your negativity has zero negative affect on me.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 14, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
I think everyone is special.  :)   That's the difference between us. btw, your negativity has zero negative affect on me.

Yes you are right , the only way to teach someone like you is to break there bones , obviously no one educated you yet , don't worry your time will come.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 12:54:31 AM
Yes you are right , the only way to teach someone like you is to break there bones , obviously no one educated you yet , don't worry your time will come.

Love you!  ;D   If you want to give it a try, then I'll be ready.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 14, 2010, 01:56:00 AM
@All .Here is My supposed dont care distraction no good for nothing self running Heater /cooler /light power source powered from a tuned JT and an aa battery . Info available on SSJT thread .
Hey Paul You Figure out the Cop . battery started at 1.31 volts 7 weeks ago charging a bcap and running a 1 watt led . 7 weeks later the battery is 1.31 volts and still lighting the led and charging the bcap  ? Figure that one out .

Gadget
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: ramset on January 14, 2010, 02:16:14 AM
Gadget

Thats a very nice good for nothing self running Heater /cooler /light power source powered from a tuned JT and an aa battery runs a light for 7 weeks /forever Thingy you have there

Chet
Say that in one breath Paul

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 14, 2010, 02:24:55 AM
Energizer......It keeps going and going and going  :) you can't mess with the Bunny @!  ;D
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 14, 2010, 03:08:34 AM
jadaro2600,

I'm surprised that you would say that without even pointing out how Pirate88179 has out right slandered me. He actually cut most of the text out of my sentence so that he can out right lie. Read my public statement  -->

http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/)

"I have never asked or accepted money for my research. I will not accept money or be bought out. I will continue the research until the exact detailed designs to replicate a “Free Energy machine” is in public hands and wide spread. Then, and only then will I start a company to market and sell such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own. My full 100% intent is to help this world as much as possible"

I forgot to edit the quote, to direct attention by subtracting a few sentences; the comment was mainly pertaining to the idea of the thread title and not the rebuttal of slander, etc.

My choice of words as of late is totally ignorant; I apologize.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2010, 05:02:35 AM
Wow:

I just checked Paul's website and found this: (quoted in part)

"...I start a company to market and SELL such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own..."

So Paul wants to get someone's free energy device (from open source) and turn around and SELL it?  This is the same guy that wants us all to give up everything we have to save the planet yet he is planning on SELLING other people's designs? ??? ???

Now I really see where he is coming from.  This is disgusting.

Nice to see that the truth eventually comes out.

Bill

PS  I did not post a link to Pauls website as I do NOT want to appear to be endorsing it.  Check here on our forum as Paul has posted links to it many times in many different topics.  Read the page in its entirety (I only quoted part of one sentence) and make up your own minds.

Just to stop the continued disinformation provided by Paullawrence, above is my post that I made.  Note in that post I say first, that it was quoted in part, and second, that I only quoted part of one sentence. Third, I said to make up your own minds.

Now Paul claims I slandered him by quoting HIS words.  He says I lied and did not tell anyone that I only quoted part of his words.  Well, there is the original post and you can all see for yourselves.

Also Paul, slander only involves the spoken word while libel involves the printed word so when you threaten people with legal terms you should really know what they mean first.

I just found it appalling that, after all of Paul's telling us how dedicated he is to bringing everyone on the planet free energy and how he beats up on folks because they are not doing enough to suit him, he says in his own words on his website that he will be marketing and selling free energy devices.

If you sell them, it is not free energy.  Why not make them for free Paul?  Why not walk your big talk??

See, Paul got caught in this little deception of his and he is mad about that.

Here is where he admits to changing his website after he was exposed:

« Reply #22 on: Today at 01:33:08 PM »
 
"btw, I have had Pirate88179 on my ignore list for days now, so if says anything I should read then please let me. This guy has out right lied about my public statement web page. In the global warming thread I posted a goolge cache link of my public statement page people could verify that I had not edited my webpage. In case people do not know, it is a google server that shows the cache date and the page contents. I have edited my public statement page."

The truth wins out.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 14, 2010, 05:17:49 AM
HE is just a kid Bill. Can't you tell . anyways as for selling technology I have Decided with the help of A friend and others  like you to never ever patent anything again . I am letting My One patent run out in august  and also i will release the schematic of the Light that i put up on you tube .That particular one charges it self and another battery unlike the e- light  and i never drew it out . I promised Gl i would take it apart and draw the circuit out for him . it uses standard parts . I want to give it away . I want to keep no secrets and make no enemies and Just as soon as i get time i will Draw out the schematic and give it to the Jt group . Everyone there helped in some way or another . that is the way we are in the Jt forum . It is up to each one of us to share what we have learned and used and made better for all of us . I will not allow it to be patented either !I hope every one makes at least one  :)  If its useful and means enuff to get some one so wadded up in them selves with hate for another then its not worth keeping . This is My New Years resolution . to be Kind and caring no matter what is thrown at me . It will not phase me in the least as we are 1000 +strong and already know what is worth fighting for .

ALBERT

the Gadget
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 14, 2010, 07:55:41 AM
Photos of my Joule Thief. Note, these photos were taken after the capacitor was removed from the circuit. The capacitor that was in the circuit was the exact value that gadgetmall used. Furthermore, I tried various size capacitors, including a variable capacitor. The highest efficiency was obtained without a capacitor.

i don't recall gadget using a breadboard... two words, parasitic capacitance. you must have the same ideas on replication that tinselkoala does.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 14, 2010, 08:07:19 AM
Gadgetmall, why not show your COP measurements?


btw, as a reminder to all, mylow (a well known faker) also spent a great amount of time & resources while never asked for $. Mylow is one of many examples, so this proves there are people who are not interested in making $, but who are interested in distracting from legit excess energy research.
after that post about how you haven't worked for seven years...blah blah blah. spent all your savings, never asked for cash, distracting from legit research with diodes that don't produce a usable amount of energy, etc. and now this post of yours, where you compare yourself to mylow...  what are you driving at here paul? you're not making sense and the contradictions you make confuse people.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 01:35:04 PM
Here is where he admits to changing his website after he was exposed:

« Reply #22 on: Today at 01:33:08 PM »
 
"btw, I have had Pirate88179 on my ignore list for days now, so if says anything I should read then please let me. This guy has out right lied about my public statement web page. In the global warming thread I posted a goolge cache link of my public statement page people could verify that I had not edited my webpage. In case people do not know, it is a google server that shows the cache date and the page contents. I have edited my public statement page."

Someone just brought this guys post to my attention. Sorry guy, but either my post was edited by someone, or I forgot to type "not edited."  I have stated before that I did *NOT* edit my public statement page. Is that clear?

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 01:42:30 PM

Hey, here is the proof that is creature called Pirate88179 is a liar, from the google cache server!!! ->

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Read it and weep Pirate88179!

Everyone please take a look at *Googles* time stamp. It says, "This is Google's cache of http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 6, 2009 01:56:57 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime."
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 14, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
Hey, here is the proof that is creature called Pirate88179 is a liar, from the google cache server!!! ->

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Read it and weep Pirate88179!

Everyone please take a look at *Googles* time stamp. It says, "This is Google's cache of http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/. (http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/.) It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 6, 2009 01:56:57 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime."

And attached is a snap shot of my web browser.

Show us Pirate88179 my nasty public statement, huh? How pathetic that you could not even provide people a link to my "full" sentence. You have stoop so low as to cut a small section of my *sentence* followed by your sick interpretation that was clearly wrong. My public statement was a very positive sentence!

Get some professional help Pirate88179!

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2010, 06:17:56 PM
Someone just brought this guys post to my attention. Sorry guy, but either my post was edited by someone, or I forgot to type "not edited."  I have stated before that I did *NOT* edit my public statement page. Is that clear?

Paul:

NOT CLEAR.

Sorry, in your post in your words you said you "had not edited", past tense and then you said you "have edited", present tense, meaning up to that time you didn't, but now you have.  These are your words.  NO ONE can edit your post, except maybe Stefan, but I really doubt that he would edit your post.  I can't edit anyone's post here, I can delete it, but not edit it. If I had editing rights, I would have edited the size of your attachment to a size that fits this page, (800x600) but I don't so I can't.

So now every one can see how your tactics work.  You make a post, get called on it, and then you claim it is a "typo" or "someone edited" your post.

Sorry but that does not work here.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2010, 06:26:40 PM
And attached is a snap shot of my web browser.

Show us Pirate88179 my nasty public statement, huh? How pathetic that you could not even provide people a link to my "full" sentence. You have stoop so low as to cut a small section of my *sentence* followed by your sick interpretation that was clearly wrong. My public statement was a very positive sentence!

Get some professional help Pirate88179!

How else can you interpret "market and sell?"  How did I twist that?  Are you saying that someone edited your statement page and these are NOT your words?

You said you would give 100% of your income to save the planet and that we should all do the same.  Then I see on your homepage where you say you will market and sell free energy devices to the public.  How am I twisting anything?

Again, are these not your words?  Did "someone" hack your page and plant these words?  Sorry Paul, these are your words.

You will be willing to help save the planet by marketing and selling stuff to folks.  how else can that be interpreted?

I don't care if anyone sells anything, I believe in free enterprise.  I just found it very ironic that the guy that says he will give away everything he has to save the planet will be marketing and selling energy devices.

As I said in my original post, folks can make up their own minds.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Silver give it up, no amount of evidence will change his mind.  All he will do is say that this graph proves his point more and call you an armature scientist, it's what he does.  And Paul as far as you saying that you will build free energy devices and sell them to people who don't want to build them that is not called free energy, it's hypocritical.  If people do buy your free energy device they would be stupid, but it wouldn't change the fact that you would be a hypocrite.

Here is a quote from another topic from someone that had read Paul's original statement on his website prior to any changes Paul may have made to it.

"And Paul as far as you saying that you will build free energy devices and sell them to people who don't want to build them that is not called free energy, it's hypocritical."

Hypocrite was exactly the word I was looking for. Paul's own words in their unedited form speak for themselves.


Well said Pirate...

Open-source free energy should be... Well just free !

Shame on you Paul  >:(

Here is another quote from that same topic above.  Another reaction to Paul's website statement prior to any editing he may or may not have done.

                   

Quote from: ResinRat2 on January 09, 2010, 03:16:11 PM (http://index.php?topic=8608.msg220983#msg220983)So let me get this straight, just so I understand clearly. You would work for free at your job (I assume you have a job, I don't know for sure.) and willingly give it all away to the Government to save the planet? Now, just in case you don't realize it, you need to pay for food and clothing and energy, etc. Since you have no money you would starve and die naked and homeless, unless you believe that someone will support you for all your needs?

Paul's response to this post here below:

"That is correct. I would give my all to save the natural environment of this planet."

This is why we all reacted to his statement saying he is going to market and sell free energy devices.

Bill     

I hope this sets the record straight once and for all and we can get back on topic in this non-topic.                         


Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 01:08:01 AM

Pirate88179, you still trying to wiggle out of it. You were caught red handed. I see you just can't let it go without lying again. Notice how often Pirate88179 avoids quotes and/or links.


A few quotes of Pirate88179 lying:

Quote
I was more interested in the fact that you said that when someone develops a free energy device that is proven, you will then market it and sell it to folks that do not want to build their own.

Quote
Mr. "I will give everything I have to save the planet" Paul is going to be selling some one else's technology for profit.

Quote
Shame on you Paul. You are busted and exposed and everyone that has read all of this can plainly see.


You are a liar. I never said I was going to sell another persons device. Read my public statement again, "I have never asked or accepted money for my research. I will not accept money or be bought out.  I  will continue the research until the exact detailed designs to replicate a “Free Energy machine” is in public hands and wide spread. Then, and only then will I start a company to market and sell such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own. My full 100% intent is to help this world as much as possible"

Also twice now over the past week I've provided the google cache to show that I have not edited this page since at least Dec. 6th, 2009. I have never edited this page.


And here's the quote of Pirate88179 taking a *section* of my *sentence* -->

Quote
"...I start a company to market and SELL such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own..."

And it does not matter if you said it was part of my sentence. You did not provide the full sentence. You did not even provide a link to my public statement. And the reason is so you can tell people an out right lie that I plan to sell other peoples devices when my entire public statement makes absolutely no reference to *other* peoples devices, and when I even wrote "I will continue the research".


You have been exposed. Get over it.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 01:11:59 AM
Here is a quote from another topic from someone that had read Paul's original statement on his website prior to any changes Paul may have made to it.

"And Paul as far as you saying that you will build free energy devices and sell them to people who don't want to build them that is not called free energy, it's hypocritical."

Wrong, he did not see my public statement because you did not provide the link and you did not provide the full sentence. Once again you lie. Here is google cache proof. Look at it. At the top of the page google states the page was cached on Dec. 6th 2009. I did not edit my public statement.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)


LOL, I feel bad for you. What a monster resides within you, IMO.


Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 15, 2010, 01:31:27 AM
@all

This tread is so funny everybody without exception know first that the joule thief is not OU.

An second of all Paul can be quite an Ass.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 15, 2010, 02:09:03 AM
here is the second firing and filament loads in place on My no good for nothing Distraction JT :) I got 4 Peltier modules today and they do get HOT! on just 1 volt . Feels so good ~~
Gadget
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 04:40:11 AM
Wrong, he did not see my public statement because you did not provide the link and you did not provide the full sentence. Once again you lie. Here is google cache proof. Look at it. At the top of the page google states the page was cached on Dec. 6th 2009. I did not edit my public statement.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)


LOL, I feel bad for you. What a monster resides within you, IMO.


Ha!  And you dare to call me a liar?  Everyone here sees right through you Paul.  Nice try though.

By the way, why have you not corrected the inaccurate/outdated/false/bogus address that is associated with your website yet?  If you site is so accurate and pure, why are you breaking the rules by providing them (your hosting company) with bad information?  You do know this is grounds to have your site removed from the web don't you?  Not that anyone here would turn you in.  Being as how nice you are to everyone and all of the experiments and videos of your experiments that you post, I really don't think you have to worry about that.

Let me repeat this one more time for Paul:  No one here has ever claimed that the JT circuit (by itself) is, was, or ever has been, overunity.  Therefore, the purpose for this topic is unwarranted, unnecessary, and not needed.

Bill

Gadget:

That is a nice looking device there.  I will admit I did get distracted by looking at it.  Now I can't remember what I was doing earlier.  Nice going.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 05:00:24 AM
Paul
you confuse me?

Quote;
 I don't trust *anyone* here since there's an appreciable chance this entire "free energy" movement is controlled and heavily watched. Like I've said, if I had such a legit device, this forum and other similar forums would be the last place I would post such news & info! 

The above advice was given by Paul to a user called Didit,who came onto the forum to disclose a working device open source
Didit took Pauls advice

Really why are you here Paul??

Like I said
You confuse me??

Chet
BTW
Sometimes[most] you really seem sincere.
But when a new guy shows up[to disclose something] your first post to him is usually "Did you get my P.M."??
Paul Whats up with that??
This is an OPEN SOURCE FORUM [Its right up there at the top]

Chet:

This was such a good post, I wanted to post it again as I think it makes clear why Paul is here.  This is not the first instance I have heard like this with him.  It appears to me that when a promising device shows up, he wants to intercept it for himself before it gets out too much on the open forum, hence the immediate pm's.

I heard of another instance about a year ago where Paul was attempting to "isolate" a very well respected member of this forum by pm'ing others about him. I have not seen any research posted by that fellow since.

Bill

PS  Remember, this is OPEN SOURCE
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 09:47:02 AM

As you can see, it is people such as Pirate88179 who do not show COP measurements, who attack me. Pirate88179 defends people such as gadgetmall who have posted claims of over unity while not doing any COP measurements, who is opposed to global warming, etc. And he lies about my public statement.

He's the one to watch out for. I show my COP measurements, as shown in the 1st post of this thread. I have nothing to hide. Why don't you ask Pirate88179 to post his PI license? He hides behind an anonymous name attacking people such as myself who post their first and last name, who show detailed COP measurements.

And I'll do a background exchange with anyone in this thread.

Well well.  Please do not insult respected members of this forum like Gadget, MK1, and Jeanna, etc.

We have no way of knowing, at least at this point, that you are indeed using your real name.  You obviously did not use your real/updated address when signing up with godaddy.com for your website, why should we believe you used your real name?

My PI License number, that you seem to desire so much, is 00061.  There you go.  It is all over the web but I guess you could not find it.  It actually would have been a lower number but they lost my fingerprint card and that delayed things a bit. (It was quite a while ago)  We now have thousands of licensed PIs here.  You, demanding my license # is totally laughable.  What are you going to do with it?  Open your own business?  Paul's Free energy Devices and Investigations?  Sorry, California uses a different numbering system.

Bill

PS  I am a little slow sometimes but it just occurred to me that IF you indeed have me on ignore, why are you responding to my posts here?  Also, why do you repeatedly ask for my PI license number IF you have me on ignore and can't read it?
Oh, someone here is relaying these posts to you right? (as you stated before)  I believe this is yet another falsehood of yours Paul.  Who the heck would do that? ??? ?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: electricme on January 15, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
@PaulLawrence KB

I have just been taking my time reading through this thread, sipping my nice cool glass of Lemon Lime & Bitters cordial with a generous amount of Soda Water.
My my my what an eyeopener, what a thriller the pages have been, I have learn't so much here, had a few laughts too.

Reading through this speal of yours, I see your opinion of the members of the Joule Thief thread are liers, and you imply deception in their experiments, hmmm
As for claiming we have made claims of COP>1, go and pull your head in chum, you are talking drivvel, no one on that thread has made a claim they have made a self running Joul Thief, although I wish it was so.

As I am a long time member of the Joule Thread, and knowing those people on that thread, they are genuine, the salt of the earth, and they would never go out of their way to deliberatly offer you or anyone missleading advice or wrong findings of their experiments.

Mr Lawrence, you are WRONG 
I thought you were (past tense) an honerable gentleman, but I see you like to act like a king billy tyrant, going to save the world riding on the backs of those making the break throughs. In Australia, we have a word to describe that, we call them a "chissler", the dictionary discriptive word is parasite.
Then again, I might be taking a "lend" of you
--------------------------

And as for calling people liers, may I bring to your attention to this little matter, you offered to send the software you were using to replicate and test Gadgets claim, as soon as you had worked out the bugs in it.
I'm still waiting "KB", have the bugs been ironed out? or are you hanging onto it so no-one else can verify the results are correct or incorrect.

I gave up holding my breath on it a while ago, seems you might be the lier sir, not the others who are Ladies and Gentlemen.
I think you need a good lie down, trying to save the energy world may be too much of a strain for you sir.
 -------------------------

jim
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 03:58:29 PM

Quote from: PaulLowrance
Wrong, he did not see my public statement because you did not provide the link and you did not provide the full sentence. Once again you lie. Here is google cache proof. Look at it. At the top of the page google states the page was cached on Dec. 6th 2009. I did not edit my public statement.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)


LOL, I feel bad for you. What a monster resides within you, IMO.

Ha!  And you dare to call me a liar?  Everyone here sees right through you Paul.  Nice try though.

Hmm,  lets see, that's all you can have left, you can't even tell people what I'm lying about, lol. Oh I'm so sorry that you could not get away with it by trying to lie to the good people here that I edited my public statement after your deceitful quote of my *partial* sentence followed by your out right lie that my public statement said I am going to sell other people's devices. People can see my recent posts in this thread for your quotes.

And once again, read & weep, google's cache of my public statement far before you accused me editing my public statement -->

For the umpteenth time I've posted this link, here is the google cache, Dec 6, 2009 01:56:57 GMT, of my public statement web page.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

That google cache shows my public statement as saying, "I have never asked or accepted money for my research. I will not accept money or be bought out. I will continue the research until the exact detailed designs to replicate a “Free Energy machine” is in public hands and wide spread. Then, and only then will I start a company to market and sell such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own. My full 100% intent is to help this world as much as possible"

Oh that must hurt to see how I overcame your ill attempts. Thank the Universe for Google and their cached web pages. What a great find, as it protects good people from scum bags. Did you happen to see what google wrote at the top of their web page? "For the This is Google's cache of http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 6, 2009 01:56:57 GMT."

BTW, for people who are not aware, that web page is on the google cache server, as you can see the address is an IP number, http://74.125.155.132 (http://74.125.155.132), which is owned by google.   ;D





By the way, why have you not corrected the inaccurate/outdated/false/bogus address that is associated with your website yet?  If you site is so accurate and pure, why are you breaking the rules by providing them (your hosting company) with bad information?  You do know this is grounds to have your site removed from the web don't you?  Not that anyone here would turn you in.  Being as how nice you are to everyone and all of the experiments and videos of your experiments that you post, I really don't think you have to worry about that.

Let me repeat this one more time for Paul:  No one here has ever claimed that the JT circuit (by itself) is, was, or ever has been, overunity.  Therefore, the purpose for this topic is unwarranted, unnecessary, and not needed.

Bill

Gadget:

That is a nice looking device there.  I will admit I did get distracted by looking at it.  Now I can't remember what I was doing earlier.  Nice going.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 04:04:49 PM
PS  I am a little slow sometimes but it just occurred to me that IF you indeed have me on ignore, why are you responding to my posts here?

I've already answered numerous times, and surely you've seen it. Again, a good person informed by that you were lying about me again. I have asked good people to inform me.

The only time I've asked you for your PI # is when I said that someone informed me you were lying about and that I had to once again start reading your posts. Don't worry, soon once again I'll stop reading your posts.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 04:06:50 PM
By the way, why have you not corrected the inaccurate/outdated/false/bogus address that is associated with your website yet?

Once again you distort the truth. I made it very clearly that used to be my mailing address, but that company went out of business. I have no updated my address because I no longer have a valid address. I am not giving the home address of where I am staying, as it is *not* my place. Is that clear?

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 04:11:48 PM
As I am a long time member of the Joule Thread, and knowing those people on that thread, they are genuine, the salt of the earth, and they would never go out of their way to deliberatly offer you or anyone missleading advice or wrong findings of their experiments.

Indeed, they're your buddies, and you're making an attempt to defend them, a bad one at that. It's sad to see so many people posting youtube videos trying to wow everyone while not posting simple COP measurements. Very misleading indeed. Given the popularity of Joule Thief videos at youtube, there might have been thousands of innocent people this group has given the false impression that it's over unity. Really sad to say the least.





As for claiming we have made claims of COP>1, go and pull your head in chum, you are talking drivvel, no one on that thread has made a claim they have made a self running Joul Thief, although I wish it was so.

Nice try, but I never said anything about "this thread."  Gadgetmall has claimed over unity. In the past at this forum I have provided the quotes of gadgetmall saying such. For ages he's been making big claims, and time after time has failed to show any proof.




And as for calling people liers, may I bring to your attention to this little matter, you offered to send the software you were using to replicate and test Gadgets claim, as soon as you had worked out the bugs in it.
I'm still waiting "KB", have the bugs been ironed out? or are you hanging onto it so no-one else can verify the results are correct or incorrect.

I gave up holding my breath on it a while ago, seems you might be the lier sir, not the others who are Ladies and Gentlemen.
I think you need a good lie down, trying to save the energy world may be too much of a strain for you sir.
 -------------------------

jim


Too bad you can't show my lie. No, I never went back to working on the software to verify it worked on non MFC PC's. There are far better things to work on for now.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 08:30:23 PM
Once again you distort the truth. I made it very clearly that used to be my mailing address, but that company went out of business. I have no updated my address because I no longer have a valid address. I am not giving the home address of where I am staying, as it is *not* my place. Is that clear?

So, you are not only jobless you are homeless too?  I am truly sorry to hear that. Times are tough for a lot of folks.

What is clear is that if you don't have a valid address associated with your website, which you don't, that site can and should be removed from the net.  I won't turn you in so don't worry about that.  I just was using this to point out your hypocrisy...telling everyone how they should live, etc and yet you don't follow the simple rules and laws for your website.

And now we see that you lied to Electricme as well?  At least you admitted it so, that is something.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 08:41:07 PM
So, you are not only jobless you are homeless too?  I am truly sorry to hear that. Times are tough for a lot of folks.

What is clear is that if you don't have a valid address associated with your website, which you don't, that site can and should be removed from the net.  I won't turn you in so don't worry about that.  I just was using this to point out your hypocrisy...telling everyone how they should live, etc and yet you don't follow the simple rules and laws for your website.

Hypocrisy? How is it hypocrisy when I already said it was my valid mailing address, but I no longer have a valid mailing address that can be made public because where I am now living is not my place, and not my right to give out someone elses address publicly. Your lack of logic is amazing.




And now we see that you lied to Electricme as well?  At least you admitted it so, that is something.

Bill

It's sad how you can lie. I already explain this. I never lied to the guy. Read his own words, as I told him and everyone that I would release the software *WHEN I GET TIME TO DEBUG IT.*

I'm now know why humanity is so screwed up, killing each other, because humanity in totality lives a life dominated by emotional logic. You can't even think straight. I'm thankful for the small % of people who do have a good mind, who can see why and how to do proper COP measurements for your claims, but you people would rather WOW everyone, LOL. Eww, look at me, I can light a CFL bulb, gee that must be excess energy or something "special". That's called eyeball / ballpark physics.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
No, we would rather make useful things like free lighting for our homes.

How many led JT circuit driven lights do you use to light where you live?  I have about 10 or so and use most of them every day.  Plenty of light and it is free.  So why you see this as a bad thing I have no idea.

Please quote where I have ever made OU claims of the JT circuit like you just claimed I did? (Quote from Paul below)

"You can't even think straight. I'm thankful for the small % of people who do have a good mind, who can see why and how to do proper COP measurements for your claims, but you people would rather wow everyone, LOL."

What claims would these be Paul?  Is this yet another made up story of yours?  The list is getting pretty long here.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
No, we would rather make useful things like free lighting for our homes.

How many led JT circuit driven lights do you use to light where you live?  I have about 10 or so and use most of them every day.  Plenty of light and it is free.  So why you see this as a bad thing I have no idea.

Please quote where I have ever made OU claims of the JT circuit like you just claimed I did? (Quote from Paul below)

"You can't even think straight. I'm thankful for the small % of people who do have a good mind, who can see why and how to do proper COP measurements for your claims, but you people would rather wow everyone, LOL."



What claims would these be Paul?  Is this yet another made up story of yours?  The list is getting pretty long here.

LOL, you just made one in your own post. Quote, "I have about 10 or so and use most of them every day.  Plenty of light and it is free."  Ah, free light, eh.? LOL  Another one of your claims without showing COP measurements.


Are you okay, or are these discussions stressing you out, lol?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 09:09:05 PM
Paul:

You call "free light" a claim??

Had you read any of the JT topic, you would know what I am talking about.

I get FREE dead batteries from friends and co-workers.  They no longer work for them so they give them to me.  FREE light.  See?

I use rechargeable batteries that I recharge outside on my EER for FREE.  See?

I use rechargeable batteries that I recharge in my van from the solar panel I made.
The sun is still FREE right?

I use my Bedini charger I made to recharge non-rechargeable batteries for FREE.

So, why do I need to post a COP?  What is the COP of free power sources?  What difference would it make?

There are many others on this forum that do the same thing with the JT circuits.

Any other "claims" you want explained to you?


Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 09:20:56 PM
Paul:

You call "free light" a claim??

Had you read any of the JT topic, you would know what I am talking about.

I get FREE dead batteries from friends and co-workers.  They no longer work for them so they give them to me.  FREE light.  See?

I use rechargeable batteries that I recharge outside on my EER for FREE.  See?

I use rechargeable batteries that I recharge in my van from the solar panel I made.
The sun is still FREE right?

I use my Bedini charger I made to recharge non-rechargeable batteries for FREE.

So, why do I need to post a COP?  What is the COP of free power sources?  What difference would it make?

There are many others on this forum that do the same thing with the JT circuits.

Any other "claims" you want explained to you?


Bill

I have nothing against free batteries, but what does that have to do with the JT. Also, I never said that you claimed over unity. Show my post. It's in your head, and again you are twisting the truth. Read my posts and you'll see that I have said gadgetmall claimed over unity, and yes I have provided gadgetmall's quote where he said that.


Why should anyone have to spend time correcting your lies? I'll give you a few more posts before I once again start ignoring your posts.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
... who can see why and how to do proper COP measurements for your claims, but you people would rather WOW everyone, LOL. Eww, look at me, I can light a CFL bulb, gee that must be excess energy or something "special". That's called eyeball / ballpark physics.

Here is but one of your posts quoted where you ask me to post COP for my Claims. Do you need more?

Again I ask you..what claims have I made?

Free light.  Yes, that was just explained to you.

What other claims are you talking about?

Also you ask what does free batteries have to do with the JT circuit?  This shows that you do not understand what this circuit is and what it can do.  My free batteries are "dead".  They will run any of my JT circuits for hours and hours.

If you understood the JT circuit, you would already know this.

Why don't you leave us alone over on this board and go pester the Steorn folks?
I am sure they need your help over there.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 09:48:28 PM
Here is but one of your posts quoted where you ask me to post COP for my Claims. Do you need more?

That shows how you are either deceitful or somethings wrong with your mind. You said, "Please quote where I have ever made OU claims of the JT circuit like you just claimed I did?"

I never denied asking you to show COP measurements. LOL, why would I not want to ask you that. You keep saying that you've never claimed OU. Again, show my post where I said that you claimed over unity. Seriously, are you okay? If there's a problem with you, then I apologize, and do not mean to make fun of someone who has problems, and I'll just ignore all of your outrageous attacks & lies against me.



Why don't you leave us alone over on this board and go pester the Steorn folks?
I am sure they need your help over there.

Bill

Umm, I started this thread. You are the people who hijacked it.


Anyhow, I'll give you one more post before ignoring your posts again.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2010, 09:57:14 PM
Again, you attempted to dodge the question:

Why would I, or anyone for that matter, post COP of FREE power sources? ???

I have asked this in response to your demanding that we do so. So, my question still stands.  What difference would it make?

Also, to correct you yet again, Gadget NEVER said the JT is OU.  That is all in your head.  His claims were and are made on his circuit, of which the JT is but a part.

Stefan needs to remove this topic as it is totally a waste of time and non-productive.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2010, 10:21:52 PM

OMG, already someone has contacted me in private saying I should read another of his posts. Thanks to that person. I'll read Pirate88179 post tomorrow. I would not be surprised if Pirate88179 blocks me from posting here in my own thread to prevent me from showing what a liar he is, once again. If that happens, then I'll post my reply here tomorrow -->

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8608.new;topicseen#new (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8608.new;topicseen#new)

Good grief, poor guy.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Mk1 on January 15, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Paul is just irate , because he tough he could make money with it , but now feel he wasted his time .

Sorry we could not make you rich .   

Because of people like you this site is going down.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: icanbeatbob on January 16, 2010, 12:10:58 AM
@Pirate88179

Bill,

I have been reading this forum quite a while, so I kind of know you a little. Never once have I known you to lie or stretch the truth. I just hope you can just let this go because it doesn't take you anywhere. PL has pissed off a few others on this forum before. He doesn't seem to get that the way he presents himself is offensive to some. If he really wants to make things better, and if he had the intellectual maturity to be able to understand, then he would be worthy of debating or discussing issues and would stop posting things that are non-productive.

You don't have to defend yourself.

Good luck to you and your efforts.

Brad
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: electricme on January 16, 2010, 04:57:16 AM
@ icanbeatbob,

@Pirate88179

Bill,

I have been reading this forum quite a while, so I kind of know you a little. Never once have I known you to lie or stretch the truth. I just hope you can just let this go because it doesn't take you anywhere. PL has pissed off a few others on this forum before. He doesn't seem to get that the way he presents himself is offensive to some. If he really wants to make things better, and if he had the intellectual maturity to be able to understand, then he would be worthy of debating or discussing issues and would stop posting things that are non-productive.

You don't have to defend yourself.

Good luck to you and your efforts.

Brad

Very Well Said Brad, I agree with your above post 100%.

Welcome to OU. :D


jim
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2010, 05:05:59 AM
@Pirate88179

Bill,

I have been reading this forum quite a while, so I kind of know you a little. Never once have I known you to lie or stretch the truth. I just hope you can just let this go because it doesn't take you anywhere. PL has pissed off a few others on this forum before. He doesn't seem to get that the way he presents himself is offensive to some. If he really wants to make things better, and if he had the intellectual maturity to be able to understand, then he would be worthy of debating or discussing issues and would stop posting things that are non-productive.

You don't have to defend yourself.

Good luck to you and your efforts.

Brad

Thank you sir, I really do appreciate that.  You are 100% correct.  I will take your advice.

Thanks again.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
Jim:

Thank you too.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:00:12 AM

Pirate88179 wrote:

Also, to correct you yet again, Gadget NEVER said the JT is OU.

We may as well get this out of the way a few hours early. There are numerous quotes, here are some. See the red highlights in particular -->


Posted in "Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits" thread:
your Welcome  BUT  as said in previous post there is MUCH room for improvemenst to this OU effect and As a condition i asked Stephan   and in all fairness  I discovered it and build it first and its My concepts therefor No prize entrant or entries shall  use My concept  to enter for the prize including using an ultracapacitor or a joule thief as per MY concept . Simply put you can enter using any charging Method with an ultracap as the output source nor use the circiut ground loop had designed and i am ironing out . You can however replicate improve  the design for the benifit  for all but no entery for prize .
Its ou .


Posted in "Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits" thread:
Also the unit will certainty will show a selfrunning light at the very least  . whether it pulls it from the bcap or not its the first OU toy every made that is public and usefull. Build one and you will at the very least had a self runner .


I have demonstrated over the unity of a primary source in the Jule thief thread . from an aa battery 2500mah i have charged an ultracapacitor to full capacity with only a few microvolts of loss from the battery 1.4 volt battery .


Gadgetmall said it was a joule thief, and that it's OU.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2010, 08:03:44 AM
Paul:

I really do feel sorry for you.

I am very sorry.  I had no idea that you were mentally impaired.  I just found this out and again, I am so sorry.  There but for the grace of God go I.

Best of luck to you.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: bboj on January 16, 2010, 10:41:51 AM
May I suggest You Pirate and Gadget just perform those measurments and silence-disproof Paul.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: 4Tesla on January 16, 2010, 10:50:54 AM
May I suggest You Pirate and Gadget just perform those measurments and silence-disproof Paul.

Or better yet.. just everyone grow up!
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 03:00:07 PM
Paul is just irate , because he tough he could make money with it , but now feel he wasted his time .

Sorry we could not make you rich .

Why tell a lie about me when I've already clarified? Again, you buddy copied a *portion* of a *sentence* from my public statement at my website, gave it a deceitful twist about how I was going to sell other peoples devices, and didn't even provide a link so people could see how he clearly lied. But hey, you would rather lie to help your buddy, huh.

My websites public statement -->

http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/

And proof that I did not edit my public statement like Pirate88179 tries to get people to think -->

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:KouVPJ5ntb0J:globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/+%22I+start+a+company+to+market+and+SELL+such+machines+to+people+and+companies+who+are%22+site:http://globalfreeenergy.info/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

The above link is a google server where google caches web pages. Take note at the top of the web page of googles time stamp of Dec 6, 2009 01:56:57 GMT. Thank the Universe for google who saved me from Pirate88179's Libelous acts.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 03:02:10 PM

Or better yet.. just everyone grow up!

I agree. A war is never good, but they hijacked my thread, and attacked me on a personal level with lies, so I have to defend as they gang up on me.

They can't stand the fact that I tested their claims, which in every case showed less than 100% efficiency. I'm a huge fan of excess energy research, but not false claims to damage this community.

So I'm heading back to the Steorn forum and also continue my Steorn replication today. IMO the Steorn claim is legit. Lets see how long it lasts before someone in this thread attacks again with lies and libelous statements.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 05:24:53 PM
They can't stand the fact that I tested their claims, which in every case showed less than 100% efficiency. I'm a huge fan of excess energy research, but not false claims to damage this community.
your tests, were they peer reviewed? are you suggesting one non peer reviewed test is a scientific conclusion? where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at?

did poynt vet it for you? because if he or milehigh or tk didn't do the vetting... well, need i say more? ;)
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 05:32:30 PM
your tests, were they peer reviewed? are you suggesting one non peer reviewed test is a scientific conclusion? where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at?

did poynt vet it for you? because if he or milehigh or tk didn't do the vetting... well, need i say more? ;)


Good point. No peer reviewed because there's nothing to bother the science community over, yet. That's why I took the time to build it and the COP measurements.

btw, I'm not the only person who's take COP measurements of Joule Thief circuits. In every case so far, every tested Joule Thief was less than COP 1, less than 100% efficient.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 16, 2010, 05:45:00 PM
Sterno running a magnet wheel from a torroid is nothing new and really the power he uses is much more higher than some of the experiments Jonnydavro did the first of last year . to me its a simple  Bedini /Jt combo . I made one and its really nothing to get excited about . Of coarse the magnets get cool . they do in all spinning magnet devices due to windchill effect plus most all my magnets feel cold by them selves . its interesting why a magnet is colder than the room temperature . (spinning atoms ). They are fun to play with but its the same old principle to repel a magnet and you spin the wheel . Have fun . If you find something that catches your fancy then by all means pursue it . Thats all i have done.
Paul i know you tried your best to prove me wrong or right .
In a few weeks all the test here and at Alexs house will be complete . The Feedback circuit is really a remarkable device . I may have said that the combination of a simple jt in conjunction with the bcap shows Ou . I never said or ments that the JT in it self is Ou . every one know that . I never ment the bcap itself is ou . but the FACTS are when combined in the right way something out of the ordinary happens . The MAIN thing we are looking at is the ability of the Maxwell bcaps  is to take anomalous hv Spikes (ie static charge) and convert this into real power . this is where the extra energy is coming from . unless you have these spikes then you will not see the effect . I guess one can prove this by running a whimhurst generator and letting the bcap absorb the static and then show the power from the bcap .

Please lets all stop bickering . life is shorter than you know . 2012 is almost here . look at the large quakes killing 100000's of people . there is more to come . Lets get on with the program of solving free energy and there is no use quoting and reposting old news and making a big deal  of it . If anyone want to figure out why this works or not i have a few controller boards left to give away . all i ask is postage and i will mail you one with a link to the parts list .

later

Albert
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 05:45:24 PM

Good point. No peer reviewed because there's nothing to bother the science community over, yet. That's why I took the time to build it and the COP measurements.

btw, I'm not the only person who's take COP measurements of Joule Thief circuits. In every case so far, every tested Joule Thief was less than COP 1, less than 100% efficient.
but you ignored the most important question... where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at? i am really suprised you chose to avoid answering that question of them all, being how you are all for open source and the like.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
Paul i know you tried your best to prove me wrong or right .
Another theory is that I tried my best to find your results.


In a few weeks all the test here and at Alexs house will be complete .
We all look forward to it, but please send it to Stefan. I trust Stefan over the JT gang.  :)
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 05:58:34 PM
but you ignored the most important question... where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at? i am really suprised you chose to avoid answering that question of them all, being how you are all for open source and the like.

What do you mean "where?"  I posted the data. You're more than welcome to come out here and witness the measurements if you want. You want a video? Maybe I should have, but then again people can always doubt that as well. I see no point in your question. If you doubt me, then do the measurements yourself and post them.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:05:18 PM
What do you mean "where?"  I posted the data. You're more than welcome to come out here and witness the measurements if you want. You want a video? Maybe I should have, but then again people can always doubt that as well. I see no point in your question. If you doubt me, then do the measurements yourself and post them.
really? you finally finished that data logger and went the full distance? or is this the 'published data' you refer to from your website?

"Yesterday I tested gadgetmall (Albert) Joule Thief circuit. I used a AAA NiMH 700mAh battery as the source connected to Albert’s circuit, which in turn charges a BCAP0650 ultracapacitor (UC).  The UC started at 1.130 volts. The AA battery was charged. The experiment ended with the AAA at 0.491V, and the UC at 1.313V. This means the Joule Thief circuit charged the UC from 1.130V to 1.313V, for total energy of 134 joules. We know from the previous battery test that the same type of battery, fully charged, made by the same company, a AA 2000mAh NiMH has 6900 joules. Therefore the AAA 700mAh battery should have ~ 2400 joules. This comes to 100% * 134 J / 2400 J = 5.6 % efficient.

Today I adjusted the 10Kohm pot to try and improve the efficiency. This resulted 44% efficient, which is better than yesterdays 5.6% efficiency. I’m not sure if there’s much else to do here."

that's your idea of a conclusive test?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:19:21 PM
there is anothing thing i am curious about also paul...
on the first post of this thread you claim a 44% efficiency, yet on your own website you have also posted a claim of 80.4% efficiency. now, the question i have is why is the 80.4% omitted from what you are telling everyone here? from the outside it would seem you are not being entirely forthcoming...

from your website: http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/09/joule-thief-efficiency-test-2/

"Here’s my results of testing gadgetmalls circuit, or at least the closest I can presently get to it. I don’t have his toroid, but I’m using a good toroid with high permeability & similar size that he describes.

This method consist of using a resistor for the load, and measuring the resistors temperature, which we’ll call Tr. Then doing the control experiment, which consists of connecting the resistor directly to a power supply, and then increasing the current until the resistor temperature stabilizes at Tr.

An elaborate setup would use a closed system that maintains a fixed temperature. I did not go that far. Also I did not dig out the ridiculously sensitive temperature equipment.

A 100 ohm carbon resistor was used as the load. The voltage across the JT was 1.559 volts DC, and the current was 74.3mA DC, for a total of 116mW. The control experiment showed that it took only 93.3mW to bring the resistor to the same temperature.

This comes to 80.4% efficient."
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:29:47 PM
really? you finally finished that data logger and went the full distance? or is this the 'published data' you refer to from your website?

"Yesterday I tested gadgetmall (Albert) Joule Thief circuit. I used a AAA NiMH 700mAh battery as the source connected to Albert’s circuit, which in turn charges a BCAP0650 ultracapacitor (UC).  The UC started at 1.130 volts. The AA battery was charged. The experiment ended with the AAA at 0.491V, and the UC at 1.313V. This means the Joule Thief circuit charged the UC from 1.130V to 1.313V, for total energy of 134 joules. We know from the previous battery test that the same type of battery, fully charged, made by the same company, a AA 2000mAh NiMH has 6900 joules. Therefore the AAA 700mAh battery should have ~ 2400 joules. This comes to 100% * 134 J / 2400 J = 5.6 % efficient.

Today I adjusted the 10Kohm pot to try and improve the efficiency. This resulted 44% efficient, which is better than yesterdays 5.6% efficiency. I’m not sure if there’s much else to do here."

that's your idea of a conclusive test?

I've already detailed this. Datalogging was for the BCAP0650. The Joule Thief did not need datalogging, as it was simple input & output measurements.

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:35:51 PM
there is anothing thing i am curious about also paul...
on the first post of this thread you claim a 44% efficiency, yet on your own website you have also posted a claim of 80.4% efficiency. now, the question i have is why is the 80.4% omitted from what you are telling everyone here? from the outside it would seem you are not being entirely forthcoming...

from your website: http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/09/joule-thief-efficiency-test-2/ (http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/09/joule-thief-efficiency-test-2/)

"Here’s my results of testing gadgetmalls circuit, or at least the closest I can presently get to it. I don’t have his toroid, but I’m using a good toroid with high permeability & similar size that he describes.

This method consist of using a resistor for the load, and measuring the resistors temperature, which we’ll call Tr. Then doing the control experiment, which consists of connecting the resistor directly to a power supply, and then increasing the current until the resistor temperature stabilizes at Tr.

An elaborate setup would use a closed system that maintains a fixed temperature. I did not go that far. Also I did not dig out the ridiculously sensitive temperature equipment.

A 100 ohm carbon resistor was used as the load. The voltage across the JT was 1.559 volts DC, and the current was 74.3mA DC, for a total of 116mW. The control experiment showed that it took only 93.3mW to bring the resistor to the same temperature.

This comes to 80.4% efficient."

All of that is detailed long ago at this forum. The 80.4% efficiency was for a fixed resistor load. The 44% efficiency was for the gadgetmall claim of charging a Maxwell BCAP0650 ultracapacitor that was charged to 1.130 volts.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:36:41 PM
I've already detailed this. Datalogging was for the BCAP0650. The Joule Thief did not need datalogging, as it was simple input & output measurements.
so that is your idea of a conclusive test...

you should maybe edit your pages to make that a bit clearer, re: the 80.4% test run.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:39:49 PM
so that is your idea of a conclusive test...

you should maybe edit your pages to make that a bit clearer, re: the 80.4% test run.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "test run," but they were tests, which were conclusive.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
I don't know exactly what you mean by "test run," but they were tests, which were conclusive.
sorry pauly, one test is not conclusive... at least not where science is involved.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:44:58 PM
sorry pauly, one test is not conclusive... at least not where science is involved.

It sure is conclusive. The input & output measurements were DC voltage & current. I guess you overlooked that fact.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:48:56 PM
It sure is conclusive. The input & output measurements were DC voltage & current. I guess you overlooked that fact.
paul, go look in a science book about the scientific method and show me where it says one test run is a conclusive proof... that's what i was asking for when i asked for your full data set, i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data or did you only do it half assed?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:56:29 PM
paul, go look in a science book about the scientific method and show me where it says one test run is a conclusive proof... that's what i was asking for when i asked for your full data set, i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data or did you only do it half assed?

You're the one talking about "test runs."  The measurements were stable and very conclusive. Conventional physics is very clear that DC power = DC voltage * DC current. I have zero interest in someone who wants to suggest otherwise.

Go ask the other people who have tested Joule Thief circuit efficiency, who also show less than 100% efficiency.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 06:58:36 PM
You're the one talking about "test runs."  The measurements were stable and very conclusive. Conventional physics is very clear that DC power = DC voltage * DC current. I have zero interest in someone who wants to suggest otherwise.

Go ask the other people have tested Joule Thief circuits to also show less than 100% efficiency.
i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 06:59:47 PM
can you provide such data or did you only do it half assed?

"half assed" huh? Go talk to someone else, or do your DC measurements, lol.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
"half assed" huh? Go talk to someone else, or do your DC measurements, lol.
so you really only ran one test then didn't you pauly?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 07:04:46 PM
btw, from here after I'll probably just quickly skim over your posts, so in case you ask, the fixed resistor measurement was done by measuring the temperature of the resistor above ambient, and then doing the control experiment to find the DC power. It's all DC measurements.

The other test of using the BCP0650 for the load was measuring the DC current & voltage. The control experiment was when I datalogged the BCP0650. Again, DC measurements.

Sorry, but for now I don't have time to teach 101 Electronics & Physics here. Bye.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 16, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
btw, from here after I'll probably just quickly skim over your posts, so in case you ask, the fixed resistor measurement was done by measuring the temperature of the resistor above ambient, and then doing the control experiment to find the DC power. It's all DC measurements.

The other test of using the BCP0650 for the load was measuring the DC current & voltage. The control experiment was when I datalogged the BCP0650. Again, DC measurements.

Sorry, but for now I don't have time to teach 101 Electronics & Physics here. Bye.
is that another tacit admission that you only ran one test?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: ibpointless2 on October 15, 2010, 04:05:10 PM
Well I don’t know for sure if the joule thief is overunity but it sometimes it feels like it when I look at my solar garden joule thief charger. I took the circuit board out of a solar garden light (Westinghouse item #474005) and have it hook up to charge a AA battery and run a red LED. Though the Joule thief, itself is not overunity but the overunity shows up in the battery due to the radiant energy that is put into it. The solar garden light is design from the start to run as long as it can on its AA battery and I have taken advantage of that. I’ve been running over a Week on the charger and every time I do my measurements more voltage has been put into the battery then what was taken out, and my charge battery is a non rechargeable too.

My run battery started off at 1.499 volts while my Charge battery started off (dead) at 1.073. Today my run battery reads 1.303 volts and my charge battery reads 1.355 volts; I lost .196 but gained .282 volts! Not bad for a battery that is not supposed to be charged, nor does it get warm and the run battery is still able to power a LED.

I do agree the joule thief itself is not overunity, but the overunity shows up in the batteries!

I’ve have improved it too, because i figured that the LED is just wasting power so I hook the original solar panel from the circuit above the LED, as to keep the extra room light out. With the lights on the panel outputs .180 volts, with the lights off at the middle of the night the panel outputs .171 volts. So I take that extra voltage and feed it to the charge battery and I gain overall an extra .001 in the charge battery, but i’ll take it! This just furthers proves that this can be used as overunity. I’m charging a battery to a higher condition then what the original battery had, heck I could charge my dead battery with other batteries to keep them going and the best part is that I can use non rechargeable alkaline batteries.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: ibpointless2 on October 16, 2010, 04:21:08 AM
To prove overunity with a joule thief you need to make a joule thief charger. One battery will charge another but where the overunity will not come out of the joule thief itself. Overunity is anything that is 100 percent efficient so lets say the run battery has a 100 percent charge on it and slowly it charges up a battery and runs a LED. So lets say that the Joule thief is only 80 percent efficient so that means that only 80 percent of the original 100 percent gets put into the charge battery. To the closed mine you would think it is not overunity but you forget that the charge can now replace the run battery and do more work as to charge another battery and run a LED. So a Joule thief charger is 180 percent efficient, thus overunity. You can now do more work then the original 100 percent you thought you had because you recycled the energy which gives you an extra 80 percent run time.

So what we learn is that the Joule thief is not overunity but does lead to getting overunity.  ;D
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NickZ on October 18, 2010, 07:33:05 PM
 
   Regular AA batteries will work only to a point, as has been mentioned many times before. They will lose their ability to recharge, as they were designed on purpose to be thrown away, and not hold their recharging very well. They are a losing battle. In anycase they can be used to prove the point,  but not very well.  Much better to use New rechargeables, so you don't waist time and effort.
   I have made good use of some old discarded 3.6v cordless phone batteries that are now recharging well, using the Jt.  Usually it is only one of the three old batteries that is bad, and not all of them. But the best thing is to buy new rechargeables, as AAs are not that expensive.  There is not much point in getting the last bit of juice out from old used up AA batteries.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: TinselKoala on October 19, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
No-load voltage, especially as measured by a modern DMM, is not a good indication of battery charge or the energy content of a battery.

The no-load voltage can be influenced by all kinds of things, most especially in this context by "spike charging" using brief pulses of considerable voltage instead of a steady DC trickle at a volt or two above the battery's nominal voltage.

"Fluffy charge" or surface charge it's called, and lead-acid batteries are especially prone to it.

The only reliable way to measure a battery's state of charge, or energy content, is to discharge it fairly completely through a precisely known resistance, and graph the voltage/time curve. Just looking at the no-load voltage isn't enough.

Any mechanic can tell you about failed car batteries that read 13.5 volts on the voltmeter, but can't start the car, because there just isn't enough real energy behind that voltage.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: resonanceman on October 19, 2010, 05:45:43 AM
No-load voltage, especially as measured by a modern DMM, is not a good indication of battery charge or the energy content of a battery.

The no-load voltage can be influenced by all kinds of things, most especially in this context by "spike charging" using brief pulses of considerable voltage instead of a steady DC trickle at a volt or two above the battery's nominal voltage.

"Fluffy charge" or surface charge it's called, and lead-acid batteries are especially prone to it.

The only reliable way to measure a battery's state of charge, or energy content, is to discharge it fairly completely through a precisely known resistance, and graph the voltage/time curve. Just looking at the no-load voltage isn't enough.

Any mechanic can tell you about failed car batteries that read 13.5 volts on the voltmeter, but can't start the car, because there just isn't enough real energy behind that voltage.


TinselKoala

I agree with  all that you have said here........but  there  are things that are important that you did not say.

Yes what  you call a fluffy charge does exist

That does not mean that the prosess is  less effective.

It  does not mean that  the  impulses  will not  charge  the battery as well as a conventional  charger.

I  have a 14 Ah  SLA battery that I often use for  powering a JT......... I have not charged it with a normal  charger for  around 2 years now..... I just  have a JT charging it

As far  as a lead acid battery showing full  voltage  but does not  have enough power  to turn over the engine....... yes this does happen....... it is called sulfation ........JTs  can often  remove this  sulfation.......this is a well know  fact.


gary
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2010, 06:35:46 AM
I think that experiments with caps instead of batteries will narrow the variables associated with batteries.  Especially with those new 3,000 farad supercaps at the new low price.

Bill
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: guruji on October 19, 2010, 08:41:28 PM
I think JT if it is tuned rightly regarding turns to the transistor base can produce very high voltage and charges quite fast producing a white glow to neons. Maybe when produces very high voltage it would be near OU.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NewEnergyHope on October 20, 2010, 04:48:26 PM
Hello. I think I might have something worth looking at.

Please take a look at this circuit and let me know what you think. I have built this and have had some "interesting" results.

All the components are generic, but the largest supercap I have now is 6 Farads. (I know values many times that exist.)

Try starting the circuit by temporarily charging the supercap.

(I don't believe a Joule Thief style circuit is capable of overunity, but I think there is a possibility of the supercap "translating" surrounding
energy (ZPE?) into usable energy. This wouldn't violate any of the laws of physics, but it could possibly give us access to energy we previously have not used.)

I have read the topics on this website for quite some time now and am very impressed with what I have seen. This is my first post.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NewEnergyHope on October 21, 2010, 07:36:40 AM
Just wanted to say I added a 1N4001 diode in series with the LED that seems to
help the circuit "stay alive longer" (another 1N60A might work better there because of the lower junction voltage, but alas, I don't have one....) I have also tried increasing the value of C1 to 10uF, which produces brighter flashes, but my overall goal is to extend the operating time using the ultracap rather than a battery.

I would sure like to see what could be done with a lot larger ultracap...
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: guruji on October 21, 2010, 11:22:34 AM
Once I did a circuit with a 650F cap that gadgetmall posted but I'm afraid using it cause don't want to charge it above it's voltage :-\ .
Is there a safe and simple circuit that if it goes beyond it's voltage can drain the charge or light a bulb for safety?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 21, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
@guruji

Just buy a zener diode on the needed value and try this:

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: resonanceman on October 21, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
Once I did a circuit with a 650F cap that gadgetmall posted but I'm afraid using it cause don't want to charge it above it's voltage :-\ .
Is there a safe and simple circuit that if it goes beyond it's voltage can drain the charge or light a bulb for safety?
Thanks.

guruji

I am not sure how much  voltage the Ucaps can take.......I am sure that the  max voltage  acording the company is 2.7 V and not 3 V for a reason.

I am shooting for 2 to 2.5 V for mine
I like  a little safety margin.

I posted about my voltage control idea a few weeks ago........I was  promptly  told it  would not  work....... so I am not  going to talk  about it more until it is tested.
I  hope  to spend  most of this evening  building and testing it.



Other than the extra .3 V  I think the  zener diode  voltage control  ides would work .....at least with a small charger....... your zener has to be able to handle all the extra current.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NewEnergyHope on October 26, 2010, 06:41:14 AM
This is my latest experiment. Somehow the 2 diodes (and the LED) and the larger extra winding helps replenish the supercap during circuit operation.

Don't laugh, but one of my so far very sketchy theories is that supercaps are more like quantum batteries than they are capacitors and that just keeping the "plates" at charge allows current to be drawn from the capacitor as if it were a battery, the extra energy being supplied by "ZPE", Radiant Energy or one of the many other sources physicists hate talking about!

(Note this is the same 6 Farad cap as before and the biggest change the the circuit is the extra toroid winding. (If this indeed follows my "theory" the unique diode arrangement just keeps the plates on the supercap charged. Due to losses in the circuit (and in the supercap) this circuit WILL NOT run forever (but it does seem my attempts are making for longer and longer runs!)

Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: guruji on October 26, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
Hi Nieves thanks for that schematic I will try that. Resonanceman yes it's 2.7v; I will look forward to hear about your circuit when you test it.
NewEnergy that circuit is interesting can one use it for a 650F 2.7v Cap?
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NewEnergyHope on October 27, 2010, 07:43:18 PM
guruji, First, thanks for your interest in the circuit!

Yes, I would love to see what the circuit would do with a larger than 6F supercap (like for example a 650F).

The first thing is to charge the supercap with 1.5 to 2.5 volts (I do that with a 1.5V AA cell and the 6F supercap has no problem with it at all. I have also seen it done with 3V, but I WOULD NOT recommend that...)

I strongly suspect with the proper circuit setup the self-run time could be VERY LONG indeed. My little theory might even have something to do with the length of the run (again, I would not expect the circuit to run forever, because of component losses, but it could run long enough to get bored with it and end up putting it aside as a dim night light!)

(This also brings me to strongly believe a supercap circuit COULD be made to drive much more of a load than just a LED. For an example: a small personal DC motor fan?)

Overunity? No, but none the less a very practical energy device.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: guruji on October 27, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Hi Nieves that circuit works with no batteries?!
Amazing.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: NewEnergyHope on October 28, 2010, 02:56:45 AM
Yes, this circuit runs for quite a while without any batteries. The supercap needs to be charged first, but then a battery is no longer needed. (I still haven't gotten/tried a bigger supercap...)

I got tired of having to "ride" R1 during circuit operation to keep the LED blinking steadily so I added some "optical feedback" and the circuit now runs very nicely by itself (One must adjust R2 until stable operation is achieved.)





Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: bolt on October 28, 2010, 06:44:07 AM
Flashing an LED for a long time is not really a useful practical device. Nor is it "cutting edge" technology. My smoke detector runs for about 2 years off a pp3 battery AND flashes the LED. When the battery gets low it flashes AND beeps for about 6 months! You put a lithium battery inside they last 10 years.

No OU here though of course just low power circuits. Back in the 90's i designed commercial app hardware to run processor, clock, 10mW transmitter circuit off 6 AA cells and it lasted 4 years. The average current consumption was a mere 265uA :)

This is not to say a Joule Thief or Stifler circuit can't go OU they can but be-careful you haven't just made a low power device and get over excited about it.


Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 28, 2010, 06:51:22 AM
This is not to say a Joule Thief or Stifler circuit can't go OU they can but be-careful you haven't just made a low power device and get over excited about it.
and how exactly does a simple blocking oscillator "go OU"?
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: bolt on October 29, 2010, 05:15:16 AM
Correctly working tuned toroidal cores go OU.  As the basis of Orbo, bob boyce, tpu, kapandze and hundred other things but it not the oscillator design  in case you are wondering.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 29, 2010, 05:22:55 AM
Correctly working tuned toroidal cores go OU.  As the basis of Orbo, bob boyce, tpu, kapandze and hundred other things but it not the oscillator design  in case you are wondering.
great! where can i see this measured and demonstrated? because the orbo doesn't show it, nor does boyce, and there are no working tpu replications even with the best and brightest (poynt, grumpy, etc.), in their own minds anyways, working on it. same with kapandze and the "hundred other things"...

p.s. stiffler's circuit doesn't have a  toroidal core... nor does kapandze's.
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 09, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
guruji

I am not sure how much  voltage the Ucaps can take.......I am sure that the  max voltage  according the company is 2.7 V and not 3 V for a reason.

I am shooting for 2 to 2.5 V for mine
I like  a little safety margin.

I posted about my voltage control idea a few weeks ago........I was  promptly  told it  would not  work....... so I am not  going to talk  about it more until it is tested.
I  hope  to spend  most of this evening  building and testing it.



Other than the extra .3 V  I think the  zener diode  voltage control  ides would work .....at least with a small charger....... your zener has to be able to handle all the extra current.
Hi Gary . I am back . for a while . I have one of the 650f ultra caps charged by the 5 volt solar panel daily and by accident it's standing volts are 3.88 . It runs another circuit i build that gets its power from that bcap thru a blinking red LED . the other circuit is a jt-+ a sec to run one wire stuff . . Its running right now and really wont draw enough from the bcap so its OVER OVER Charging . but its not exploded yet :> I now feel safe with overcharging if that happens to 4 volts MAX on the 2.7 volt cap . Interestedly this cap is now one of my best ones . It might damage it in several years but they are now cheap enough to deal with it . there is a plug on the side of them that will leak out the electrolyte and pressure if it gets very high .

Albert
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: resonanceman on January 09, 2011, 03:43:47 AM
Hi Gary . I am back . for a while . I have one of the 650f ultra caps charged by the 5 volt solar panel daily and by accident it's standing volts are 3.88 . It runs another circuit i build that gets its power from that bcap thru a blinking red LED . the other circuit is a jt-+ a sec to run one wire stuff . . Its running right now and really wont draw enough from the bcap so its OVER OVER Charging . but its not exploded yet :> I now feel safe with overcharging if that happens to 4 volts MAX on the 2.7 volt cap . Interestedly this cap is now one of my best ones . It might damage it in several years but they are now cheap enough to deal with it . there is a plug on the side of them that will leak out the electrolyte and pressure if it gets very high .

Albert

Albert

I am glad you are back

I hope you can stick around a long time


Thanks for the information about the voltage boostcaps can handle
It makes sense  most engineers build in a substantial safty factor.

I  have not  worked on my voltage control circuit sense I last posted on this thread
I have lots of other stuff going on.
I will pick up where I left  off when I get a charging system I like  working

When I get back to using boost caps I will have alot more confidence  knowing that the  boost caps can handle at least a full volt over their rating
before I was only charging them to 2 volts  just in case I accidentally went over.

I do plan on trying to hold mostly to the rated voltage.
I have to assume the people that  chose the rated voltage knew something I don't know.


gary


 
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: spinn_MP on January 09, 2011, 08:58:00 PM
Correctly working tuned toroidal cores go OU.  As the basis of Orbo, bob boyce, tpu, kapandze and hundred other things but it not the oscillator design  in case you are wondering.

Oh, dear... Toroidal cores can go OU?

WTF?!...
Ah,Orbo technology....
 ;D
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: dasimpson on January 10, 2011, 04:00:13 PM
the thing i love about this circuit is with very few scrap parts you can bring light to homes that have never seen a bulb let alone electricity and because we use so low voltage it isent to hard to make that power if this little units with an earth battery could be sent to 3rd world country they life would be made easyer
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: dasimpson on January 10, 2011, 04:10:26 PM
here is the second firing and filament loads in place on My no good for nothing Distraction JT :) I got 4 Peltier modules today and they do get HOT! on just 1 volt . Feels so good ~~
Gadget
so you are using the jt to charge the super cap then running the standerd bulbs off the supercap well thats bloody good in my eyes as thorse bulbs wont run off a normal jt ok the cost of parts may take awhile for them to pay for them selves but ant that the same with every product you build or buy and to cop what a load of bullshit rules and angles to eaerly say it isent
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 10, 2011, 10:08:02 PM
Hi Dasimpson . Yes thats the way i saw it too but they beat me to the ground with there electrical therioes and anti ou principals and then i just got sick with cancer and couldnt fight two battles . I am not a fighter and never intended to start a contraversy but it happened . and so now the lasersaber joule ringer will more that likley prove them worong running off just a normal capacitor :) Even has the Great John Bedini's intrest.
see Groundloop{alex} believed in me and built an expensive board that took the bcap up to its rated volts and then automatically released it in a load be it nichrome wire or thremocupoles ot filiment lights and then when the bcap reached a lower threshold it woule kick in the jt recharge again . all this for an aa battery !

albert
a.k.a.
gadget/fusionchip
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: dasimpson on January 11, 2011, 12:07:20 AM
Hi Dasimpson . Yes thats the way i saw it too but they beat me to the ground with there electrical therioes and anti ou principals and then i just got sick with cancer and couldnt fight two battles . I am not a fighter and never intended to start a contraversy but it happened . and so now the lasersaber joule ringer will more that likley prove them worong running off just a normal capacitor :) Even has the Great John Bedini's intrest.
see Groundloop{alex} believed in me and built an expensive board that took the bcap up to its rated volts and then automatically released it in a load be it nichrome wire or thremocupoles ot filiment lights and then when the bcap reached a lower threshold it woule kick in the jt recharge again . all this for an aa battery !

albert
a.k.a.
gadget/fusionchip
that unit is impressive.
the jt ringer might be the way but really need to work out how it dose what it dose to improve it if it can be got some cfl today 11watt one hope mess with them soon
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: dasimpson on January 11, 2011, 12:15:20 AM
in life they is always contraversy the coice is weather to lower your self to there lvl or be a batter man and stand for your morel right or wrong me i tell them what i think and feel then just ignore them to much stuff to deal with as it is never mind there petty arguments they dont belive then it is there loss
when it comes to ou or cop blada blada blada the goverments way of holding things back and keeping them under control the fact we are lighting a led and other things from somthing that should not be able to do that
 
it like this i could run a led 3.6 volt 25ma for 100 hours off a 3 aa battery's at 2500mah or i could take the same 3 batterys and run the same led for 300 hours i know the one id pic
 
the unit i have i am currently down to 35ma hope to be lower when my transistors come i blew my last 2n3904 with a cap accident i connected the wrong cap i tulk the charge cap and placed it in the battery spot and forgot it was charged to 144volts ooops the leds were bright tho pmsl

or and that 35ma with a bc337-25 not the 2n3904 that will be lower as the bc337 use more current
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: gadgetmall on January 11, 2011, 02:42:33 AM
The point i was trying to get across was that one of those ultra capacitors contain a lot more release energy than batteries as demonstrated in this video . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U&feature=player_embedded

Gadget
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: dasimpson on January 11, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
The point i was trying to get across was that one of those ultra capacitors contain a lot more release energy than batteries as demonstrated in this video . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U&feature=player_embedded)

Gadget
oh i know that they ant called boostcaps for nothing lol
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: mikrovolt on August 18, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
Efficiency and current driving capability is seen in many simple designs
I just picked one at random because it might be useful to compare results
see how they stack up ?

https://youtu.be/ZH9H5PodmtM
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU5x8T2UkuI
Title: Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 19, 2018, 06:17:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8O9r085l0M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8O9r085l0M)


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