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Author Topic: Joule Thief replications - not overunity  (Read 86046 times)

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »
Sterno running a magnet wheel from a torroid is nothing new and really the power he uses is much more higher than some of the experiments Jonnydavro did the first of last year . to me its a simple  Bedini /Jt combo . I made one and its really nothing to get excited about . Of coarse the magnets get cool . they do in all spinning magnet devices due to windchill effect plus most all my magnets feel cold by them selves . its interesting why a magnet is colder than the room temperature . (spinning atoms ). They are fun to play with but its the same old principle to repel a magnet and you spin the wheel . Have fun . If you find something that catches your fancy then by all means pursue it . Thats all i have done.
Paul i know you tried your best to prove me wrong or right .
In a few weeks all the test here and at Alexs house will be complete . The Feedback circuit is really a remarkable device . I may have said that the combination of a simple jt in conjunction with the bcap shows Ou . I never said or ments that the JT in it self is Ou . every one know that . I never ment the bcap itself is ou . but the FACTS are when combined in the right way something out of the ordinary happens . The MAIN thing we are looking at is the ability of the Maxwell bcaps  is to take anomalous hv Spikes (ie static charge) and convert this into real power . this is where the extra energy is coming from . unless you have these spikes then you will not see the effect . I guess one can prove this by running a whimhurst generator and letting the bcap absorb the static and then show the power from the bcap .

Please lets all stop bickering . life is shorter than you know . 2012 is almost here . look at the large quakes killing 100000's of people . there is more to come . Lets get on with the program of solving free energy and there is no use quoting and reposting old news and making a big deal  of it . If anyone want to figure out why this works or not i have a few controller boards left to give away . all i ask is postage and i will mail you one with a link to the parts list .

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2010, 05:45:24 PM »

Good point. No peer reviewed because there's nothing to bother the science community over, yet. That's why I took the time to build it and the COP measurements.

btw, I'm not the only person who's take COP measurements of Joule Thief circuits. In every case so far, every tested Joule Thief was less than COP 1, less than 100% efficient.
but you ignored the most important question... where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at? i am really suprised you chose to avoid answering that question of them all, being how you are all for open source and the like.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2010, 05:56:19 PM »
Paul i know you tried your best to prove me wrong or right .
Another theory is that I tried my best to find your results.


In a few weeks all the test here and at Alexs house will be complete .
We all look forward to it, but please send it to Stefan. I trust Stefan over the JT gang.  :)

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2010, 05:56:19 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2010, 05:58:34 PM »
but you ignored the most important question... where can the full data set from your 'test' be reviewed at? i am really suprised you chose to avoid answering that question of them all, being how you are all for open source and the like.

What do you mean "where?"  I posted the data. You're more than welcome to come out here and witness the measurements if you want. You want a video? Maybe I should have, but then again people can always doubt that as well. I see no point in your question. If you doubt me, then do the measurements yourself and post them.


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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »
What do you mean "where?"  I posted the data. You're more than welcome to come out here and witness the measurements if you want. You want a video? Maybe I should have, but then again people can always doubt that as well. I see no point in your question. If you doubt me, then do the measurements yourself and post them.
really? you finally finished that data logger and went the full distance? or is this the 'published data' you refer to from your website?

"Yesterday I tested gadgetmall (Albert) Joule Thief circuit. I used a AAA NiMH 700mAh battery as the source connected to Albert’s circuit, which in turn charges a BCAP0650 ultracapacitor (UC).  The UC started at 1.130 volts. The AA battery was charged. The experiment ended with the AAA at 0.491V, and the UC at 1.313V. This means the Joule Thief circuit charged the UC from 1.130V to 1.313V, for total energy of 134 joules. We know from the previous battery test that the same type of battery, fully charged, made by the same company, a AA 2000mAh NiMH has 6900 joules. Therefore the AAA 700mAh battery should have ~ 2400 joules. This comes to 100% * 134 J / 2400 J = 5.6 % efficient.

Today I adjusted the 10Kohm pot to try and improve the efficiency. This resulted 44% efficient, which is better than yesterdays 5.6% efficiency. I’m not sure if there’s much else to do here."


that's your idea of a conclusive test?

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2010, 06:19:21 PM »
there is anothing thing i am curious about also paul...
on the first post of this thread you claim a 44% efficiency, yet on your own website you have also posted a claim of 80.4% efficiency. now, the question i have is why is the 80.4% omitted from what you are telling everyone here? from the outside it would seem you are not being entirely forthcoming...

from your website: http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/09/joule-thief-efficiency-test-2/

"Here’s my results of testing gadgetmalls circuit, or at least the closest I can presently get to it. I don’t have his toroid, but I’m using a good toroid with high permeability & similar size that he describes.

This method consist of using a resistor for the load, and measuring the resistors temperature, which we’ll call Tr. Then doing the control experiment, which consists of connecting the resistor directly to a power supply, and then increasing the current until the resistor temperature stabilizes at Tr.

An elaborate setup would use a closed system that maintains a fixed temperature. I did not go that far. Also I did not dig out the ridiculously sensitive temperature equipment.

A 100 ohm carbon resistor was used as the load. The voltage across the JT was 1.559 volts DC, and the current was 74.3mA DC, for a total of 116mW. The control experiment showed that it took only 93.3mW to bring the resistor to the same temperature.

This comes to 80.4% efficient."

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2010, 06:29:47 PM »
really? you finally finished that data logger and went the full distance? or is this the 'published data' you refer to from your website?

"Yesterday I tested gadgetmall (Albert) Joule Thief circuit. I used a AAA NiMH 700mAh battery as the source connected to Albert’s circuit, which in turn charges a BCAP0650 ultracapacitor (UC).  The UC started at 1.130 volts. The AA battery was charged. The experiment ended with the AAA at 0.491V, and the UC at 1.313V. This means the Joule Thief circuit charged the UC from 1.130V to 1.313V, for total energy of 134 joules. We know from the previous battery test that the same type of battery, fully charged, made by the same company, a AA 2000mAh NiMH has 6900 joules. Therefore the AAA 700mAh battery should have ~ 2400 joules. This comes to 100% * 134 J / 2400 J = 5.6 % efficient.

Today I adjusted the 10Kohm pot to try and improve the efficiency. This resulted 44% efficient, which is better than yesterdays 5.6% efficiency. I’m not sure if there’s much else to do here."


that's your idea of a conclusive test?

I've already detailed this. Datalogging was for the BCAP0650. The Joule Thief did not need datalogging, as it was simple input & output measurements.


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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2010, 06:29:47 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2010, 06:35:51 PM »
there is anothing thing i am curious about also paul...
on the first post of this thread you claim a 44% efficiency, yet on your own website you have also posted a claim of 80.4% efficiency. now, the question i have is why is the 80.4% omitted from what you are telling everyone here? from the outside it would seem you are not being entirely forthcoming...

from your website: http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/09/joule-thief-efficiency-test-2/

"Here’s my results of testing gadgetmalls circuit, or at least the closest I can presently get to it. I don’t have his toroid, but I’m using a good toroid with high permeability & similar size that he describes.

This method consist of using a resistor for the load, and measuring the resistors temperature, which we’ll call Tr. Then doing the control experiment, which consists of connecting the resistor directly to a power supply, and then increasing the current until the resistor temperature stabilizes at Tr.

An elaborate setup would use a closed system that maintains a fixed temperature. I did not go that far. Also I did not dig out the ridiculously sensitive temperature equipment.

A 100 ohm carbon resistor was used as the load. The voltage across the JT was 1.559 volts DC, and the current was 74.3mA DC, for a total of 116mW. The control experiment showed that it took only 93.3mW to bring the resistor to the same temperature.

This comes to 80.4% efficient."


All of that is detailed long ago at this forum. The 80.4% efficiency was for a fixed resistor load. The 44% efficiency was for the gadgetmall claim of charging a Maxwell BCAP0650 ultracapacitor that was charged to 1.130 volts.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #98 on: January 16, 2010, 06:36:41 PM »
I've already detailed this. Datalogging was for the BCAP0650. The Joule Thief did not need datalogging, as it was simple input & output measurements.
so that is your idea of a conclusive test...

you should maybe edit your pages to make that a bit clearer, re: the 80.4% test run.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #99 on: January 16, 2010, 06:39:49 PM »
so that is your idea of a conclusive test...

you should maybe edit your pages to make that a bit clearer, re: the 80.4% test run.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "test run," but they were tests, which were conclusive.

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« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2010, 06:43:29 PM »
I don't know exactly what you mean by "test run," but they were tests, which were conclusive.
sorry pauly, one test is not conclusive... at least not where science is involved.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2010, 06:44:58 PM »
sorry pauly, one test is not conclusive... at least not where science is involved.

It sure is conclusive. The input & output measurements were DC voltage & current. I guess you overlooked that fact.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2010, 06:48:56 PM »
It sure is conclusive. The input & output measurements were DC voltage & current. I guess you overlooked that fact.
paul, go look in a science book about the scientific method and show me where it says one test run is a conclusive proof... that's what i was asking for when i asked for your full data set, i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data or did you only do it half assed?

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2010, 06:56:29 PM »
paul, go look in a science book about the scientific method and show me where it says one test run is a conclusive proof... that's what i was asking for when i asked for your full data set, i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data or did you only do it half assed?

You're the one talking about "test runs."  The measurements were stable and very conclusive. Conventional physics is very clear that DC power = DC voltage * DC current. I have zero interest in someone who wants to suggest otherwise.

Go ask the other people who have tested Joule Thief circuit efficiency, who also show less than 100% efficiency.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2010, 06:58:36 PM »
You're the one talking about "test runs."  The measurements were stable and very conclusive. Conventional physics is very clear that DC power = DC voltage * DC current. I have zero interest in someone who wants to suggest otherwise.

Go ask the other people have tested Joule Thief circuits to also show less than 100% efficiency.
i want to review the data from all your test runs (in the name of good science you should be running more than one test for reasons that are obvious) and do the math myself to make sure you didn't make any mistakes or bias. can you provide such data?

 

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