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Author Topic: Joule Thief replications - not overunity  (Read 81032 times)

Offline PaulLowrance

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Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« on: January 12, 2010, 07:42:59 PM »
Hi,

First, I firmly believe in cop>1 research, but IMO the Joule Thief is nothing but a massive distraction from legit research. That's my firm opinion.

Anyhow, I should have posted this. I and numerous others have taken the time to replicate various Joule Thief claims, and all of the claims were well below 100% efficiency. Here's my tests -->

44% efficiency:
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/11/joule-thief-tested/


Also some people thought the Ultracapacitors were over unity, but they were not -->

Part number BCAP0650 (650 farads) 92% efficient:
http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/08/ultracapacitor-experiment/



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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 07:51:11 PM »
Photos of my Joule Thief. Note, these photos were taken after the capacitor was removed from the circuit. The capacitor that was in the circuit was the exact value that gadgetmall used. Furthermore, I tried various size capacitors, including a variable capacitor. The highest efficiency was obtained without a capacitor.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 08:13:47 PM »
i will not get into it with you paul ...

regards


 YOU SIR ARE VERRY WRONG! 

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 08:13:47 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 09:14:47 PM »
Hi,

First, I firmly believe in cop>1 research, but IMO the Joule Thief is nothing but a massive distraction from legit research. That's my firm opinion.

Anyhow, I should have posted this. I and numerous others have taken the time to replicate various Joule Thief claims, and all of the claims were well below 100% efficiency. Here's my tests -->

....
Hi Paul,
I am proud that I am working with non legit systems.

I live in a box as everyone else, but it pleases me greatly to hear that my box is not the same as the legit box.

with respect,
jeanna

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 10:58:18 PM »
Blah Blah Blah...

I really do wish more people would post more math with their claims though.  It should be assumed the efficiency is below 100% unless otherwise proven.

I also wish those claiming any different would prove it once and for all.

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 10:58:18 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 12:05:05 AM »
I will Soon . If not then at least the Worlds longest running Light and highest amperage power source from an AA battery . The Boards Gl sent me the day after Christmas have not arrived . we are worried . Also the JT i gave him came back mutilated two weeks later with no addresses on it but my address label and a smushed coil and lost toriod so they returned it . I repackaged it and sent with a track this time . Someone is Playing games with me and him and it has us a bit worried . I can tell you that My unit is still running almost 7 weeks straight with the bulb regulator so I assume only a professional Jt maker Like the Jt group is capable of making one because they know what they are doing  and have made 100's if not thousands  :)Parts Placement along with SOLDERING  is verified to have an effect on Efficiency although me and MK1 can make one from a toilet  paper roll that works just as well  ;D  :D  ;) Also you got to hold your mouth just right when winding . HEHE  BIO I'll demonstrate the power they have with 6 in series  Jt charged running a small 110ac inverter powering a tv or something later on when i get the time to video  and upload to youtube on dialup .
« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 02:14:48 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 12:39:19 AM »
Maybe not overunity... but illegitimate distraction? Are you out of your mind?

See my latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRer0lwVNQ

I would rather be wasting my time on devices that actually work and can be made into something useful than chasing my tail with unproven overunity claims... LOL whos the sucker?. If we spent half our time on ideas like improving the JT we could be solving some real problems in the end...

UZ

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2010, 01:44:19 AM »
Photos of my Joule Thief. Note, these photos were taken after the capacitor was removed from the circuit. The capacitor that was in the circuit was the exact value that gadgetmall used. Furthermore, I tried various size capacitors, including a variable capacitor. The highest efficiency was obtained without a capacitor.
It don't look like mine . This is Stephans Unit minus the control board. Its 4 to 5 time more efficient than My 7 week running unit that is pulling 13 ma . this one 3 ma . on a dead AA alkaline battery for two weeks so far . it was a trashcan battery , The cap is full 2.77 volts . I'[m going to let it run without discharging it and see if they really do blow up or not . I was told they will start to swell up before they blow . this one looks good .
« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 02:11:00 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2010, 09:12:35 AM »
Just because Paul can't build a JT that works well, he has to bad mouth the circuit and those of us that work with them. 

Where are your devices Paul? 

Also it is interesting to note on Paul's website he has a statement where he says once he finds an energy device that works, he will market and sell them. What happened to OPEN SOURCE?

Here is my latest video of a cool light I made tonight using the "useless" JT circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE

I apologize for this "massive distraction".

Bill
« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 09:36:28 AM by Pirate88179 »

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 04:35:21 PM »
you know it will never work for those that choose to not live the DREAM! 

THE DREAM MAKERS TEAM!

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 04:36:11 PM »
Just because Paul can't build a JT that works well, he has to bad mouth the circuit and those of us that work with them. 

Where are your devices Paul? 

Also it is interesting to note on Paul's website he has a statement where he says once he finds an energy device that works, he will market and sell them. What happened to OPEN SOURCE?

Here is my latest video of a cool light I made tonight using the "useless" JT circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0EtXB_RqE

I apologize for this "massive distraction".

Bill

Tone aside, you've made some good points.  The idea, though; I think that there will be a noticeable difference between a basic Joule Thief and one which is over unity.

It should also be noted that most circuit diagrams don't adequately convey special winding techniques employed by their builders.

In keeping with the spirit of creating positive work flow, I think this thread could use a better definition: why did this get started in the first place?

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 04:36:11 PM »
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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2010, 04:45:03 PM »
I DO KNOW WHY .... LOL

for THAT i thank paul deeply! 
i do know how it works ...  : )

cuz ITS UNCLE BUILD!

UNCLE SAM!

im on it ... 

me and my box of junk

: )

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2010, 05:18:24 PM »
Maybe not overunity... but illegitimate distraction? Are you out of your mind?

See my latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRer0lwVNQ

I would rather be wasting my time on devices that actually work and can be made into something useful than chasing my tail with unproven overunity claims... LOL whos the sucker?. If we spent half our time on ideas like improving the JT we could be solving some real problems in the end...

UZ

I can't speak about other claims, but the Steorn claim is very important. The first test I did showed  on video the magnets rapidly dropping by nearly 3°F *below ambient room temperature* in a matter of seconds.


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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2010, 05:24:53 PM »
Tone aside, you've made some good points.  The idea, though; I think that there will be a noticeable difference between a basic Joule Thief and one which is over unity.

It should also be noted that most circuit diagrams don't adequately convey special winding techniques employed by their builders.

In keeping with the spirit of creating positive work flow, I think this thread could use a better definition: why did this get started in the first place?

jadaro2600,

I'm surprised that you would say that without even pointing out how Pirate88179 has out right slandered me. He actually cut most of the text out of my sentence so that he can out right lie. Read my public statement  -->

http://globalfreeenergy.info/public-statement/

"I have never asked or accepted money for my research. I will not accept money or be bought out. I will continue the research until the exact detailed designs to replicate a “Free Energy machine” is in public hands and wide spread. Then, and only then will I start a company to market and sell such machines to people and companies who are uninterested in building their own. My full 100% intent is to help this world as much as possible"

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Re: Joule Thief replications - not overunity
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 05:29:40 PM »
I DO KNOW WHY .... LOL

for THAT i thank paul deeply! 
i do know how it works ...  : )

cuz ITS UNCLE BUILD!

UNCLE SAM!

im on it ... 

me and my box of junk

: )

H


i will not get into it with you paul ...

regards


 YOU SIR ARE VERRY WRONG! 

H



LOL, yeah right. That's why you can't demonstrate it. That's why you & the gang avoid COP measurements like the plague.

 

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