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Title: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on January 07, 2010, 04:54:57 PM
I seem to having trouble finding a real picture
that shows the shape and placement of magnets
in the 10-Coil original Ubber-Bedini, or the newer kit.

I know they are north-to-north,
but I cannot find a pic anywhere.

There are indications of the spacing
and total magnet count in the videos.

But what shape are they ???

Are regular cube magnets ground
to match the radius curve as example ?

I read every topic heading,
and searched for a while.

But I cannot find a definitive answer.

The kit is $4000, but no exploded view.

If a pic has been posted,
I cannot find it, sorry.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on January 12, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
I'd just edit the above post to add these pics,
but this is the last remaining forum that doesn't allow edits.....

How do people correct their mistakes?
(After less than 24 hours of future to reflect?)

I hope this clarifies my question.

Has anyone here bought one of these?

Sader was having to edit my post to add the second pic too.

Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: Schpankme on February 12, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
Quote
The kit is $4000

This made me laugh so hard, I nearly pissed-myself!

Schpankme

Stand back everyone, I will now charge the battery
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 12, 2010, 10:58:33 PM
Think that is funny? (Me too...)

This is my opinion on this,
and I feel I have this right.

I feel that having to purchase
the whole ten coils set complete
is a big mistake on their part.

Assuming you look at the video
I linked to below and see both
the coils and the boards in it.

The 4K is not such a  gouge at all.

Just machining costs and wire poundage considered,
then there is the silicon farm of power parts...

But it should be offered as a starter kit.

Everything mechanical only,
and the sense & lightshow section,
and with ONLY ONE COIL + BOARD.

Then a separate kit with one coil
and the parts to populate the board.

You could buy the prime mover complete,
and finish it in nine additional steps.

That would have been far more approachable
by people in these trying financial times we live in.

I have called and written Rick and John about this,
and even posted at the Yahoo group about this
(the posts were deleted...).

Amazingly juvenile activity if you ask me...

Seems they think it is a secret of some kind or something. LOL  ::)



Well the "Official" infomercial shows Rick's kit at the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA

You can save an MP4 of it for stills and rewinds here:

http://www.savevid.com/video/official-bedini-10-coil-kit-infomercial.html

You can look over their kits here:

http://rpmgt.org/order.html



Anyway, it is NOT a copy of John's unit at all.
Not even close at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, a person that has received (Some of) that kit
has responded to my email request for additional info.

It has (Single) Neo's about 1" long and 3/8"x3/8".

Not even close to what John used in his.

There are NOT pairs of magnets
pressed north-to-north in this kit !

Here are a few snaps of the infomercial's vid.

I included the aluminum wheel too,
this kit powers some lights for show.

I suspect these are for that,
and possibly the timing coil too.

UPDATE:
I have just received confirmation email pics
than confirm a (Single) NEO plastic magnet holder.
NO SHARP NORTH.


Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: Schpankme on February 13, 2010, 02:01:47 AM
"You will be able to run the machine not only at 12V and 24V inputs, but over 100V. The larger the battery bank used the more you will get out" http://potentialtec.com/#10Pole (http://potentialtec.com/#10Pole)

Here's what I noticed from the BEDINI INFOMERCIAL:

 1.) Not built like the 10-coil alluded to in the VIDEO - Energy From The Vacuum ][
      (Bedini says; "this is The EXACT COPY of what i built of what i showed In Energy From The Vacuum ][")
 2.) The unit shown was poorly constructed
 3.) Shown to be Built of cheep materials, easily breakable
 4.) The fit and finish (quality) was totally lacking for the $4K KIT price tag.
 5.) No cable routes, no dust covers, no end caps (Wires hanging every where)
 6.) John Bedini would not let Rick get a word in edge-wise; Why was Rick in the video?
 7.) Where are the performance numbers, what will it charge?
 8.) Rick UNPLUGGED his electric car from the WALL-OUTLET in the SHOP (priceless)
 
- Schpankme
I took the little blue pill and got 4-hours of OverUnity (COP 5);
that left me with 3-hours and 58-minutes of staring at it!
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 13, 2010, 02:13:53 AM
1 - I agree...totally bullshit...
2-7...Ditto
8 - I apologize, at 8:18 I see the jeep.
Where do you see it being unplugged ?

Oh, and nice intro reverse speculative introspect
into positional analysis by alternate viewpoint...

On other points:
"You will be able to run the machine not only at 12V and 24V inputs, but over 100V. The larger the battery bank used the more you will get out"

Sadly (And I cannot confirm before this post is long forgotten)
The "Current" (Or contributary output) may indeed be consistant
across a wide range of in/out volts.

This is my only bark against your opinions Schpankme,
your other "Observations" seem plausible.

Do you consider all circuits of this type to be voltage dependent?

Honest question,
no need to flame, OK?
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 13, 2010, 03:53:32 AM
Because this is a serious issue (To me) !!!
THIS forum should be able to house (Pronoounced: Hows'd) the necessary data provided.

Are you seriously asking an outside form to be behind this firm in the days comming. ?

This is the first time you submitted an entry that I oppose.

THIS forum's server should have the pic's
NOT some unreliable outside firm of any kind.
this is a free forum... you obviously have no idea of what hosting bandwidth costs.

yes, i am, and flickr and photobucket are not forms(forums?) the days coming? what does that mean? like an apocalypse?

ok.

flickr and photobucket are hardly unreliable... ::)
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 13, 2010, 04:11:13 AM
It costs unreal amounts of money, I have no argument there.
What exactly is your horrid point there?

You dip, I am refering to the the fact that using them has cost implecations,
and that a mere day or two after posting they remove data...

they are super unreliable as they rely upon near constant hits to be current. !
Lack of "Hits" causes deletion of data !!!
my point is there are solutions that don't require stephan paying for massive bandwidth... for example you could get your own free web site at netfirms.com and post your pictures there.

using flickr or photobucket to host your pictures has no cost implications for you, and no they don't remove data... i have a photobucket account that gets little to no hits and all my uploads are still there.  if you're going to call someone a 'dip' you should at least make sure you aren't misspelling words in the same sentence. ::) it's implications not implecations.

no they don't!
no it doesn't!!!
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: Schpankme on February 13, 2010, 04:18:28 AM
The video has the electric car in two different locations; the un-plugging from the wall-outlet can be found at 2:37.

Schpankme
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 13, 2010, 04:33:05 AM
The video has the electric car in two different locations; the un-plugging from the wall-outlet can be found at 2:37.

Schpankme

Yes, I concure,
but Willby is being a total fucking dick to these procedings
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 13, 2010, 05:23:15 AM
so put them in the downloads section if they 'must' be hosted here...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads
5 meg limit.

now before you start bitching about how they 'need' to be embedded in this thread, stop and think about the people that use this site that don't have a broadband connection and how having a couple meg picture embedded in a thread pretty much negates them from viewing that thread... there is a limit for a reason (not just to piss you off).
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 13, 2010, 05:53:50 AM
Seriously, have you lost you mind?

I mean really, have you not been following the unbelievable overhead from ads people are reporting everywhere on this site?

People are reporting 100/1 overhead on this stuff !

I'd conservity say about 12/1 though

First, thank and you are correct, I did overlook that attribute.
You are absolutely correct, I could use the DL section.

But second, if what you indicated was true, those people would never get past the fucking ads on this website in the first place !

But this site is an advertiser's enviroment on bandwidth and my (Or any others) pictures are not the issue.

Well over 10 to 1 is the current bandwidth wasted on these ads !

Ask around on this site!

this site has really paid dearly for the "OU Prize" revenue Stefan needed to create.

Here's the part that will fuck your thinking... I ACCEPT all Stefan has done to acquire the funds for that prize.

But I do not condone your practice of trashing me for not referring to websites that ONLY sponsor traffic if it suits their needs and protocols.

Yes, I have issues with Stefan limiting posts to a lousy 300-Kb,
But I have no issue with the revenue engine he employs.

that is for the greater good.

But stuffing it up my ass to attach it somewhere else is missing the point.

get it?

I suppose I am to say here:
I suck at spelling, condemn me at once...
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 13, 2010, 06:16:44 AM
Seriously, have you lost you mind?

I mean really, have you not been following the unbelievable overhead from ads?

People are reporting 100/1 overhead on this stuff !

I'd conservity say about 12/1 though

First, thank and you are correct, I did overlook that attribute.
You are absolutely correct, I could use the DL section.

But second, if what you indicated was true, those people would never get past the fucking ads on this website in the first place !

But this site is an advertiser's enviroment on bandwidth and my (Or any others) pictures are not the issue.

Well over 10 to 1 is the current bandwidth waste on these ads !

Ask around on this site!

this site has really paid dearly for the "OU Prize" revenue Stefan needed to create.

Here's the part that will fuck your thinking... I ACCEPT all Stefan has done to acquire the funds for that prize.

But I do not condone your trashing me for not referring to websites that ONLY sponsor traffic if it suits their needs and protocols.

Yes, I have issues with Stefan limiting posts to a lousy 300-Kb,
But I have no issue with the revenue engine he employs.

that is for the greater good.

But stuffing it up my ass to attach it somewhere else is missing the point.

get it?

I suppose I am to say here:
I suck at spelling, condemn me at once...
i don't get the unbelievable overhead from ads... because i know how to use my computer as well as a browser. anyone on dialup is probably using ad blocker and no/yes script just to be able to surf nowadays, but they won't be able to 'opt out' of your 2meg embedded picture when they come to read this thread, so yes, embedded picture size is an issue. ::)

you call the ads 'bandwidth waste', yet without them this site wouldn't exist, or it would have a subscription fee.

ohh boo hoo the attachment size isn't what you want it to be...  :'(

i haven't trashed you at all... nor stuffed anything up your ass, i have been trying to offer you alternatives.

get it?

the only reason i called you out on your spelling is because you were calling me a dip in the same sentence, which makes you look foolish.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: nightlife on February 13, 2010, 03:35:35 PM
  I personally do not care for all the foul language used and would prefere it was not used. The use of foul language shows ignorance and this is not a site that should be used to dispay such ignorance.

 As for the ad's and upload capcities, we must keep in mind that this is a free site for us to use and those who provide this site for us must do so with the means to do so. I am sure it cost money and I am also sure that the ad's help coversome if not all of the money. I am also sure that it cost More money for more space and if that money was available, i am sure that Stephen would use it to add more space.  am also sure that if anyone would like to donate money to upgrade this site, it would be much appreciated and used to do so.

 Back to the topic at hand. It is obvious to me that the kit offered is not an exact replica of the original. I have also yet to hear of anyone getting the same results as Bedini claims. One thing is clear to me and that is that half of the energy is being wasted in all of bedini's designs which may warrent better results for all who seek free energy from that sort of configuration.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 13, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
Yeah, your right,

Stefan, could you delete everything
from and including posts #6 to #19
so no one has to read that crap?

I was really pissed last night.

Please keep Post 13 though,
it is on topic, and required.

******************************

Well, now that the truth is out about
this supposed "Exact Copy" of John's
original 10-coil charger that John says
is made with pair of magnets arranged
in "Sharp North's" (North-To-North).

My hopes and dreams are now smashed,
and this thread has become a mute point.

If anyone can find a video or picture that
has insight into John Bedini's original wheel.

Please feel free to lift my spirits with it.

Note:
I have already seen the
"Energy From The Vacuum"
series of videos with John in them.

He does show and talk a bit about it.

******************************
Here are the plastic inserts you see
being pressed in with a C-clamp.

I resized them to 400x300 to fit comfortably,
so they are 21-KB and 22-KB respectively.

If anyone experiences thread bloom from them
please tell me what screen size your running.
(1024x768, 800x600, Etc.)

I'll nudge them down a touch more
so everyone can read this thread
without having to scroll left to right.

Here are the full sized 8-MP files:

Magnet Holder 1 - 3264x2448 - 391-KB
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=372

Magnet Holder 2 - 3264x2448 - 403-KB
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=371
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: amigo on February 14, 2010, 04:08:23 AM
this is a free forum... you obviously have no idea of what hosting bandwidth costs.

Actually, you can get quite a lot of bandwidth for $150-200/mo.

We are talking about your own dedicated Xeon server and 2-4,000GB/mo transfer which is pretty much a standard nowadays in server offerings.

So what's the problem then? This site has to be making easily $200/mo, unless Stefan expects a salary for himself, in which case the site is run from some cheapish hoster with lousy specs. Oh wait, but it is on a shitty server with shitty features. :P

Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 14, 2010, 04:34:04 AM
Actually, you can get quite a lot of bandwidth for $150-200/mo.

We are talking about your own dedicated Xeon server and 2-4,000GB/mo transfer which is pretty much a standard nowadays in server offerings.

So what's the problem then? This site has to be making easily $200/mo, unless Stefan expects a salary for himself, in which case the site is run from some cheapish hoster with lousy specs. Oh wait, but it is on a shitty server with shitty features. :P
thanks amigo, i am well aware of what hosting costs. i have been doing programming and database engineering for over a decade.

we are? i don't recall any mention of xeons...

the problem appears to be that those who don't own/run the site think they should be able to dictate how it is run/administered. as far as what the site makes, i think you are assuming. furthermore, if i was stephan, i would be expecting a salary for myself.

can we get back to the topic?
thanks for posting the pics compututor.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: nightlife on February 14, 2010, 04:59:38 AM
CompuTutor, this should help lift up your spirits.

 You are rather new here and most likely missed my topic about using both poles of a electromagnetic coil. Bedini has only used one in all of his designs which waste the other pole. I brought this up over a year ago and to date I have only seen one other utilize both poles. That was Johnybrovo who used one pole to spin one disc and the other to spin another disc. He found that my theory was correct. What I would like to see is both poles being used to spin one disc. This would double the torque which would provide more power to over come more resistance which would supply more energy.
 Something that most have over looked is the fact that a coil has two poles and both are equal and you can not have one without the other. When you use one, the other is there and is capable of producing equal work as the other with out requiring any additional input power.
 I was going to build what I have in mind but my focus was steered away to another experiment that is proving to be much better and much easier for people to build that would provide free energy without the need for a outside power source to start it.

 I do hope this helps lift up your spirits again and I wish all the the best of luck to you and all.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: tropes on February 14, 2010, 04:45:42 PM
Something that most have over looked is the fact that a coil has two poles and both are equal and you can not have one without the other. When you use one, the other is there and is capable of producing equal work as the other with out requiring any additional input power.
 I was going to build what I have in mind but my focus was steered away to another experiment that is proving to be much better and much easier for people to build that would provide free energy without the need for a outside power source to start it.
Good point Nightlife
That was my motivation for building the "Sotropa Motor".
BTW, using colorful language does not diminish our intelligence.
Tropes
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 14, 2010, 05:35:14 PM
...BTW, using colorful language does not diminish our intelligence.
Tropes

Yeah, but coming home from a funeral
and downing over half of a 1.75L of rum
then Wilby-Bashing was uncalled for...

I already messaged Stefan to delete all
that "Colorful language" in interest of those
that it can offend (Noted NightLife, Etc.).



I do agree,
and a smaller disc spinning the opposite direction
in some vid I saw somewhere did come to mind when I read that.

But when I watched the EFTV vid with John,
it seemed to be explained as two norths pressed together
forming a "Sharp North" which loaded (Saturated) the coil's core
and hence windings, but the "Scaler South" that returned
between the magnet pairs that swamped the coils during
the field collapse was giving the magnetic field's collapse
the added (OU) push that is claimed to be there?

I'll dig out my copy and watch it later more carefully.

But I remember something about the spacing of the magnets,
and the timing of the open/close circuits
utilized the "South" of them somehow.

I started this thread to get to the bottom of
the "Sharp North" thing first,
then play with coils & cores after I had that established.

Cart before the horse I ask?



OK, I came back to add a bit more...
I have this hair-brained idea
that will turn up in "half Baked" sometime.

I wanted to understand the N><N thing,
to combine it with parallel path theory.

The 4X available with parallel path setups,
mixed with (What I though was a) novel idea
by also using that N><N concept too.

To get both get the magnetism in,
and then back out of a core/coil assembly
seemed like a match made in heaven.
(Pun intended...)

Anyway, I can't wait,
I've gone to re-watch that vid again.




Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 14, 2010, 06:37:50 PM
Yeah, on EFTV 6 (Energy From The Vacuum)
"Inside Radiant Energy" starting at about 5 Minutes.

He starts talking about the real 10-coil unit.

He clearly both says and shows the trigger circuit
triggering between the magnets at what he says is
22-Degrees off of magnet pair ("Sharp North") center.

10-Coils/365-Degrees = 36.5-Degrees each.

I'm sure he meant 18.25-Degrees, not 22...



Another interesting unexplained effect happens
at about 1:20 into EFTV disc 2 to the camera.

He is talking about the audible clicking from the coils.

He holds his hands on a couple generator coils,
then puts his hand on the (3-PM) trigger coil.

Watch around his hand and past that coil,
the darkness of the breaker box helps show this.

Wierd stuff.
Title: Re: Magnet Orientation ? - Bedini 10-Coil
Post by: CompuTutor on February 14, 2010, 10:51:10 PM
CompuTutor, this should help lift up your spirits.

 You are rather new here and most likely missed my topic about using both poles of a electromagnetic coil.

With 61 pages of posts I am at a slight loss without a hint.

This one perhaps ?
"new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load"

I'll gladly read/learn/ponder,
if you would be so kind as to
throw me a clue about which thread.

Thanks