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hartiberlin · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2006, 03:58:11 AM »

Yes,I guess we should stop arguing and just wait and see, if Mr. Brady can finally deliver the
claimed motor.
So please stop the flamewars over here.
Many thanks.

sh123469 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:05:28 PM »

I agree completely with stopping the flame wars. They serve no useful purpose. We need to have intelligent, respectful discussions of ideas. Flaming each other does no good for anyone.

I have always heard and believed that magnetic assymetry was the way to go if you wanted a magnetic motor. Unfortunately, it's all 'armchair quarterbacking' at this point. I have not built anything.

Flaming does not help...when the demo happens, it should be relatively easy to prove that it is either real or a fraud.

Omnibus · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:33:33 PM »

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when the demo happens, it should be relatively easy to prove that it is either real or a fraud.

I can?t agree more. As far as I?m concerned, since I?m mostly interested in the scientific aspect of the problem, I don?t need a 300kW motor to convince me in the validity of this important idea. The modest Wesley Snyder?s demo, for instance, will do it big time for me, if he can show the turning of the rotor without holding the motor in his hands. Walter Torbay?s motor, however, if viable, has a direct, immediate practical application and this will make it much easier to convince the society at large.

WalMartGreeter · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2006, 10:16:26 PM »

Quote from: sh123469 on March 26, 2006, 04:05:28 PM

when the demo happens, it should be relatively easy to prove that it is either real or a fraud.

Not quite correct.

If the demo happens and the device really is genuine, it will be excruciatingly easy to demonstrate that it's for real. There will be no doubt. The skeptics will have to shut up because the success will be so blatant.

But, if the demo happens in the way that I predict (battery-powered), there will be no easy way to prove it's real or a fraud unless disinterested third parties are allowed to instrument and run the device themselves and make their own measurements.

Any demonstration short of a pure permanent magnet design, or an EM design where the batteries are removed after starting (with sufficient run duration to rule out other hidden batteries), will at best be inconclusive.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #34 on:** March 26, 2006, 10:44:25 PM »

Yes, with such a big 300 KWatts motor it will be very hard to see,
if it will really run on itsself, probably they will have the batteries embeeded into the system
and they willnt change anything during demonstration for "security reasons" ??

I amjust speculating over here, but after reading the new article by St.D. Allan
about this motor and itshuge size, it will not be easy to measure and will
probably have pretty big cables, that are not easy to unscrew from the battery packs
during runtime...
At least 300 KWatts of contineous output power is a pretty lot of power !

Regards, Stefan.

_GonZo_ · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2006, 11:22:43 PM »

If the device they aregoing to show there produces 300Kwats what are they going to do with that???

Actually that is provably more power than the full hotel were they are needs on electricity

Anatoliy · « **Reply #36 on:** March 29, 2006, 01:49:37 PM »

Who knows precisely how constant magnets will work for a long time? For what time they will be demagnetized?

Yours faithfully, Anatoly.

Omnibus · « **Reply #37 on:** March 29, 2006, 02:11:08 PM »

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Who knows precisely how constant magnets will work for a long time? For what time they will be demagnetized?

One of Walter Torbay's devices has worked continuously for months ? this could not have happened if the magnets were dmagnetized. Common devices using permanent magnets, such as permanent magnet electric motors, also work for quite a while without being demagnetized. Thus, for all practical purposes demagnetization is a non-issue.

However, even if permanent magnets are demagnetized in time, turning of a permanent magnetic motor in the permanent magnetic field of the stator (while the magnetic field is there) is impossible to occur ? magnetic field is a conservative field. And yet it does turn. Wesley Snyder?s device proves it, Walter Torbay?s device proves it.

Anatoliy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 29, 2006, 03:18:57 PM »

I read on one of forums, that the pulled together magnets in one year lose the force. Also become twice weaker.
Read in magazine, that firm " Perendev " had problem with the engine, because magnets quickly demagnetized.
What do you think about it?

Omnibus · « **Reply #39 on:** March 29, 2006, 03:21:53 PM »

Anatoliy, can you give a link or maybe give the exact reference. What journal was that in? Demagnetization is worth discussing. Also, what energy do you think is spent to turn a piece of iron into a permanent magnet?

I should mention again that even if magnetization were an issue, even then producing useful work from a closed loop in a conservative field is impossible according to the standard views. And yet, as we now know (after Wesley Snyder and Walter Torbay's experiments) such work can be produced. This goes well beyond any scientist's imagination.

_GonZo_ · « **Reply #40 on:** March 29, 2006, 05:16:01 PM »

Omnibus this is a lie:

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Wesley Snyder?s device proves it, Walter Torbay?s device proves it.

THEY DO NOT DEMOSTRATE OR PROVE ANYTHING AS BOTH DEVICES ARE NOT PROVEN TO WORK AT ALL.

This is the last post I read from you.

Omnibus · « **Reply #41 on:** March 29, 2006, 05:23:54 PM »

On the cotrary, this is a lie:

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THEY DO NOT DEMOSTRATE OR PROVE ANYTHING AS BOTH DEVICES ARE NOT PROVEN TO WORK AT ALL.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #42 on:** March 29, 2006, 07:18:29 PM »

Let us wait and see which motor will really work.
As we now have a firsthand report witness in the Torbay thread (from gnn.tv),
this motor is working.
And yes, if magnets are glued together in repelling mode, they
discharge quite a bit after some time, so the optimal principle
is the Sprain design with just attraction of the magnets.

The Torbay motor would probably also work with attraction
when redesigned...

Omnibus · « **Reply #43 on:** March 29, 2006, 07:33:34 PM »

Stefan, how much energy (approx.) do you think is needed to magnetize a 10 cm^3 rectangular ferromagnetic piece from scratch to, say, 1000 gauss?

Also, let me add, Sprain motor is not self-sustaining.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #44 on:** March 29, 2006, 07:43:49 PM »

Quote from: Omnibus on March 29, 2006, 07:33:34 PM

Stefan, how much energy (approx.) do you think is needed to magnetize a 10 cm^3 rectangular ferromagnetic piece from scratch to, say, 1000 gauss?

Normally they magnetize these pieces in putting it into a big electromagnet into the airgap
of its big core and give the electromagnet a big kick from
a charged capacitor bank.
The magnetic pulse then is only about a few milliseconds long at maximum,
but this magnetizes the material for its whole life, so the energy spend
for the magnetisation is probably only a few Wattseconds.

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Also, let me add, Sprain motor is not self-sustaining.

Not yet, but soon.

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