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Offline beedees

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Perendev?
« on: March 16, 2006, 09:19:26 PM »
Is it or isn't it, for real?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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Perendev?
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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 01:39:21 AM »
I have to say I understand being skeptical, but then when you weigh up the fact that it just does'nt really make sense to build such an elaborate and apparently expensive hoax (material and construction wise), it makes it clear that it deserves attention.

Despite strong criticisim I think its genuine. Heres an interesting point though.. they clearly state on their site that the principal uses the 'repulsion' of the magnet's, so why I constantly keep seeing attraction and repulsion, or just attraction being used in public investigation's for replication is sortof confusing. It may also explain why the OSEN replication dosent work, im fairly certain they tried to get it working using attraction trying to build the full working model on principals they dont fully understand before hand.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2006, 02:18:30 AM by Clarky »

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 02:45:23 AM »
I agree with you. From what I have seen so far, (this includes all m.m.), it seems to be the only one that shows any capability of being a useful device. However, even if it does work as claimed, what would the be the longetivity of it? Magnets do weaken over time and at 25,000 E., it seems like an expensive proposition to me.

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 03:59:42 AM »
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However, even if it does work as claimed, what would the be the longetivity of it? Magnets do weaken over time and at 25,000 E., it seems like an expensive proposition to me.

On the contrary, if it really does what Brady says it does, the device will recoup itself in about two years. The magnets will last for another 13 years, according to Brady?s claims. Besides, changing of magnets, if at all needed, is a negligible expense. Mike Brady is underselling it (provided the claims are true).

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2006, 07:46:27 AM »
I think the Perendev video was faked.
Have you seen the video of the rebuild device , that
Sterling D. Allen showed on this last conference ?
Have a look at osen.org
there you can see it and it does not accelerate and just
runs down. This way without the right shielding plates
it will probably never work....

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 08:20:54 AM »
It?s a mystery to me what happened between Sterling Allen and Mike Brady. From what I read in the net Allen is presenting himself as being some kind of a former partner of Brady but in fact it appears that he has only been his potential customer. Brady has obviously shunned him (I don?t blame Brady) and Allen now is sort of getting back at him by trying to convince everybody that Brady?s device is a fake. Allen does it deviously by not directly attacking but by appearing that he?s objective about the whole situation and that Brady is in fact well meaning but misguided. This is what I get from what I read on the net. As far as the replication of the motor, I think Allen has done it from what he thinks he sees in the video. I don?t think Allen knows the details of building that motor and what tune ups to apply. But we shall wait and see. Mike Brady recently told me personally that they will be ready to present a working model in the market sometimes at the end of March or April. He said there will be announcements in the German media to that effect.

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 11:17:07 AM »
I think the Perendev motor is real, and the video is not a fake. Sterling D. Allen used incorrect magnetic setup in his replication, so not the same as Mike Brady used.
That type of magnetic motor works by only repulsive forces, two against one, constantly controlled by geometric and other practicles.
Because the repulsive forces it is possible to demagnetize, maybe this is the reason why the device became a discontinued device. (website say)
I think Mike Brady begin to use both attraction and repulsion in his new device. This can be a logical improvement.

The past months I developed and tested a principle, (basically the same as the prendev) and it seems to be work in a simple experiment. I tryed to get into work in a closed system motor, cutted out from wood. It is not complete yet, but the sizes and positions are not enough precise, so I guess it does not work. I'm trying forth...

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 11:52:35 AM »
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The past months I developed and tested a principle, (basically the same as the prendev) and it seems to be work in a simple experiment. I tryed to get into work in a closed system motor, cutted out from wood. It is not complete yet, but the sizes and positions are not enough precise, so I guess it does not work. I'm trying forth...

Can you clarify, please. What does ?it seemed to work in a simple experiment? mean and yet ?I guess it does not work?? What was the simple experiment in which it worked?

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2006, 03:28:06 PM »
Both the creators of the Perendev motor and the Cycclone motor claim to be working on super powerful motors in the 300kw or hp range.  How many magnets passing by each other does it take to produce 300 kw?  Probably a lot.  I'd like to see anything from anyone that without question produces just 100 watts of energy.  In the past couple weeks we've seen hand held devices, pulsed electromagnets completing loops and poor quality video documentation that leads me to believe there may be some device out there that works, but at this point no one has come close to proving it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 03:44:55 PM »
The closest so far to proving it is Wesley Snyder. What we need to see more from him is the self-sustaining device he showed suspended on a stand away from anyone touching the device.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 09:48:35 PM »
The simple experiment:

Immagine 4mm thin, 20mm long, and 10 mm wide block magnets for example. Oriented through thickness. Apply some magnets on a flywheel, with a constant degree, approx between 40 and 45 degree to the axle.

Take two same magnets in your hands, these are the stators. Place one with its smallest surface near to a rotor magnet, with a chosed air gap. The rotor begin to attracting with its smallest side to this magnet?s smallest side, and stops when reaches the lock point. Now use the other magnet in your hand, close to another rotor magnet, but at this time use the greater sides of the magnets. When you close enough, the rotor break free from the lock point, and turn some degree to the next lock point. Thats all.

The importance of this experiment is the difference of the sides, and the distances between the magnets. I measured 0,4 mm air gap between the attracting magnets (lock point), and 12 mm between the repelling magnets (work point). This means it is possible to place the stator magnets outside of the circle of the rotor, whilst it is rotating. When you use repulsion against repulsion, the effect become more stronger, and the difference of the distances are bigger.

Larger surfaces = more magnetic flux / strenght
Smaller surfaces = less magnetic strenght.

Use more forces (stronger) against less forces (weaker). One force act in one direction, and the other in the another.

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2006, 01:58:17 AM »
Here is a rebuild Perendev magnetmotor
to be seen, that is not working:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6189540769300973039


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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2006, 03:06:16 AM »
Greg & Gregory, this is obvious. However, how do you make the rotor turn continuously? There must be some peculiar disposition of the stator magnets to always produce a net force acting on the rotor which would cause it to spin.

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Re: Perendev?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2006, 03:04:31 PM »
Yes, Stefan. I also saw that video.
But read this article: http://pesn.com/2006/02/10/9600233_Calloway_Magnet_Motor_Open_Source/

Don't forget. That replication is partly based on Calloway's suggestion, and other ideas. And Calloway was a cheater in this case, and Allan don't know exactly what is the magnetic setup. And because they are don't know, they use wrong setup.
No one known, except Mike Brady, and maybe few more persons.
When you see the better quality (the shorter) Perendev video, you can see the motor operate by only repulsion. Just go, and see the starting of ther rotor, and see again...

Omnibus. Name me Greg.
Yes, this is obvious, but more important than obvious. Most of the working things are very simple.
Disposition not help you anyway. Because one time help, but after its always not. I know, I drawed more than 50 geometrical setup in the past months, and disposition not helps.
But I think the locking stator and the working stator can be the "same". Every stator magnet are lock point and work pont in one form, but not the same time. They are change their function.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2006, 03:15:31 PM »
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But I think the locking stator and the working stator can be the "same". Every stator magnet are lock point and work pont in one form, but not the same time. They are change their function.

Greg, but doesn?t this mean that it is the disposition that plays a role?

 

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