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Author Topic: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?  (Read 46320 times)

Offline Sojourner

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2005, 01:58:31 PM »
I prefer to think of it as being totally enraptured in the exploring of His handiwork.

And, any Father will get great pleasure watching his children exploring the world around them as they learn and grow.

I guess it's a question of heart: Are we trying to explore God or become one ourselves? One motive is a divine edict set forth in Genesis. The other removed Lucifer from heaven and likewise can alienate us all.

 ;)

Soj.



Free energy devices won't save you. They won't postpone nor subvert the inevitable.  They would titillate and entertain you for a moment in time......or serve, as the greater number of technological advancements have, to distract and subdue your higher thought processes while a large pot of 'frog soup' is being prepared for a 'feast of kings'.


Rev 16:13-14


And while they play about with His creation.....thinking themselves mighty, having been tricked by the false one into thinking themselves allied with the Almighty.....then suddenly that day will come upon them.


Matthew 24:29-31

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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2005, 03:18:05 PM »
I am over 50 now,probably don't have that many years left, and
would like to give mankind something. God took on a job of a
proportion I wouldn't , to stop time and ceaselessly run a project.
I would never seek that, it would be better to end up the floor sweep.
Let's just get a man in the air or turn a generator. Glad to see you
up and running.Think it's the hint of warm weather, mine wants the trim
painted all the awnings redone and expects me to rebuild the front porch.
Well, the trim does need a coat.The front porch got important cause the
of the nieghbor though I think.He built a new one last year.Before I let
her bully me out of all my experiment time though,when she starts to
complain about the porch I'll give her a key to the tool room and hand
her a new hammer and crowbar.Oh and Soj the statement on religion
was not directed at you, someone else in the group makes totally
confusing statements that have nothing to do with energy, they were in
the old group and I believe they have just joined here.They haven't posted
yet that I know of and I got my two cents in before they start.My
personal outlook is God gave us all these things and the rich are hiding them
from us.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2005, 05:30:32 PM by raburgeson »

Offline TechStuf

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2005, 09:48:42 PM »
I totally agree with you, Sojourner!? (Oops....I fear you may now be 'guilty by association' in Raburgeson's eyes. lol)


Raburgeson,? So, then I took it correct, that by your use of the term 'Some' in your religious post killer thread....you were referring to me and my 'confusing' alter ego?? As I registered here two days after you, and have posted at least as many times as yourself, I am left with the tentative supposition that you possibly refer to someone else....although I am at somewhat of a loss to guess who it could be!? ?


And even more befuddled how that person could kill threads using religion without having actually posted yet....unless you speak of witchcraft, voodo or some such.


Glad you got your two cents in before they started!? Let's hope nothing gets 'them' started!


Peace,

TS
« Last Edit: April 28, 2005, 10:07:58 PM by TechStuf »

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2005, 09:36:47 PM »
No, you're good Techstuff, there's nothing wrong with religious caution,
there is something wrong with making someone feel they are affronting
God by trying to find and give something away to help people. Imagine
the help in free irrigation alone to feed the hungry.That does not upset
God I'm sure.

Offline TechStuf

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2005, 09:55:38 PM »
I understand your misunderstanding....(lol)? The problem to which I refer is, of course, NOT in discovery.....but what is, by and large, being done in it's name.....and the results which inevitably follow.



Peace,

TS


I'll take your avoidance of my valid questions as an affirmative, in which case.....I'm sorry you felt the need to beat around the bush regarding your obvious distaste for my personal viewpoint, misunderstood though it seems to be in this instance.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2005, 05:50:40 PM »
I was saying if we look at the spin on the skirt and the spin on the adjacent air
molecules caused by the electromagnetic wave propagating down the skirt it
may be propelling the lifter more or less like squeezing a bar of soap. If this is the
case lifters would not work in a vaccuum. But, lifters could still perform valuable
transportation tasks. Tell you what , try sealed baggies around your skirts with air
in them if it still lifts then to work in a vaccuum all you have to do is take a small
amount of gas with you.

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2005, 03:29:28 PM »
Someone did try putting a lifter in a sealed bag the lifter works.The ionic winds pressure would be evenly
distributed within the bag. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/liftbubl.html  . Somewhere I said
if you take a bag of air with you a lifter should work in a vaccuum. About that bar of soap.Metal molecules
can move if you have a strong microscope you can see the molecules crawling around the surface. If this is
a result of spin then I propose this is not the optimum surface for lift.Crystaline forms have locked molecules
and I think molecules that can't move cannot cushion the lift effect. To clarify I think some of the molecules
are moving and lift effect is being lost. I wonder what a nano coating of a cheap crystal ( say Quartzite )
on the skirt would do? Someone look on the net for flying crystals I'm dragged of topic so far I'm going to
have to regroup my thoughts to producing high voltage again.

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Offline Sojourner

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2005, 09:49:23 PM »
I bagged a lifter and didn't get squato.

Soj

Someone did try putting a lifter in a sealed bag the lifter works.The ionic winds pressure would be evenly
distributed within the bag. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/liftbubl.html  . Somewhere I said
if you take a bag of air with you a lifter should work in a vaccuum. About that bar of soap.Metal molecules
can move if you have a strong microscope you can see the molecules crawling around the surface. If this is
a result of spin then I propose this is not the optimum surface for lift.Crystaline forms have locked molecules
and I think molecules that can't move cannot cushion the lift effect. To clarify I think some of the molecules
are moving and lift effect is being lost. I wonder what a nano coating of a cheap crystal ( say Quartzite )
on the skirt would do? Someone look on the net for flying crystals I'm dragged of topic so far I'm going to
have to regroup my thoughts to producing high voltage again.

Offline triffid

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2009, 06:15:59 PM »
No one's posted to this thread for about three years.Last night I learned that honey bees use static electricity to pollenate flowers with.As their wings beat 230 times a minute air flows over the hairs on their bodies making the hairs electrically charged so when a honeybee lands on a flower pollen jumps to the bee's body.About 4 years ago a friend of mine built a lifter in okla,USA.While it did not fly until later.He was able to later and sent me a picture of it in the air.So I know a 30lb power supply will not fly a less than a ounce paper craft beyond the length of the wire.So I have thought about power supplies small enough to put on a lifter.So if a honeybee can produce static electricity as it is flying so maybe a lifter should do the same?Afterall a lifter weighs more than a honeybee.Too bad I'm the first in three years to post here.Lifters are not dead just sleeping.Triffid

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2009, 06:18:42 PM »
Sorry I'm the first in 4 years to post here.Airplanes were invented in 1903 but it took until about 1927 to produce a plane that could carry its own weight in payload.Theres hope for lifters.Triffid

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
Lifter reaction may be far from simple. I have an experiment for you, if you'd like! Put a ball magnet in a plastic ring that will keep it under the lifter and see if the lifter produces a vortex. If the magnet spins it does.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2014, 10:17:53 PM »
Would you expect the lifter itself to spin in the opposite direction?

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2014, 03:26:12 AM »
I don't have a flyback to work with right now, damn it. I'm trying to picture this in my mind. Maybe it does not work in a vacuum because it has no material to react with. Picture a 4 sided lifter. Where does the charge discharge to? Is it a simple ion path to the skirt? If so does the discharge create a magnetic field parallel to the wire. many vortexes spinning in the same direction? Does the wire produce a magnetic field around the wire and the skirt producing a strangely charged toroid of sorts producing a vortex. The stable lift that shows no sign of flipping over suggests that a vortex is present. You have to consider to get an idea what I am thinking.

Iron filings on paper sheets may provide the answer, that and testing for a vortex.

I would expect the lifter not to spin because there is equal opposing force directly on the opposite side. There must be a left or right hand rule that can be applied to a lifter.

Offline Paul-R

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2014, 06:27:26 PM »
If lifters are truly antigravity, it should not matter which way up they are.

Try inverting, and see if its weight stays the same or goes up.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2014, 01:11:02 AM »
It is like a near vacuum wind that was described on Mars. It would have to be very high velocity to be noticed. There is more to it and we should figure out what. The government would not just let it go without testing. That's were civilian science falls short. By the way I don't buy the sparse atmosphere story on Mars. The most glaring proof this is a lie is the fact that they turned around and designed Balloon type rovers soon after wards that would not work under those conditions.

 

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