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Author Topic: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?  (Read 40360 times)

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2005, 04:47:37 PM »
Ok Soj I'll tell you what is on my mind feeble as it is,Take a nonferris sheet of metal
and set a couple of strong magnets north to south poles together almost touching
each other.Leave enough air gap for the sheet to slide though easily.Drop the magnet
through the gap.You will notice there is a great deal of resistance to movement.
I think the electro-magnetic energy of a lifter is creating a great deal of this force.
Enough to overcome gravity.It may in this case take a great deal of power to
work in a vaccuum.I'm sure you've noticed that when you change voltage the
effect is immediate and the hight over the lifter is not sporadic, it immediately
assumes a new altitude and stays there.Pulating power is a little more erradic,
but produces much more lift,I'm trying to figure out why, that's why I have been trying
to run coils in parallel. I tried charging  caps between 2 coils to raise the potential
difference twice what it would normally be with + and - ouputs from the coils. I
didn't gain lift so now I want to try pulses from zero to 120kv to compare lift to
2 30kv ignition coils with a voltage doubler between them.The doubler didn't seem
to increase lift much but I suspect The 2 coils ordered will.

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Offline rlm555339

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2005, 05:21:59 PM »
The "magnet dropping through an aluminum pipe" thing is a Lenz's Law eddy currents demonstrator from way back.  Can do it with an aluminum pop can and a coil too.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2005, 08:40:50 PM »
Ok so they gave the effect a name, I don't know were these scientist come up with
the law part though. I live under the assumption there is at least 1 exception to
every rule.However , I propose that the electromagnetic wave acting on the skirt
of a lifter produces a great deal of the effect and overcomes gravitational force,
this being much harder to see as the magnet is no longer a solid tangible object
you can look at.If you apply spin theory it would might explain why a pulsating DC
current would provide more lift than a static DC current.To say the front of the wave
propagating across the skirt aligning the spin is condensed , better aligned and
producing more power than the part of the skirt that has already just been powered
and is at a static energized state. I hope I am saying this in a manner that you can
understand what I'm thinking about.Lenz Law Yay!!! It would be great if we could
figure out how to continuely pulse power through the skirt. Visually speaking (In
the manner of a jacobs ladder).To create many of these wave fronts, then we can
find out weather or not I'm full of bull feeces on this or not. 

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
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Offline rlm555339

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2005, 11:11:22 PM »
We are speaking of two separate things, I think.  Lenz's magnetic effects are not like your ionic breeze, I don't think.  But then.............nobody really knows "what" magnetic waves are, do we?  So maybe they are?

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 03:58:26 AM »
I read the cloud theory the other day , just be cause they could view the
subatomic structure better and could see stray particals they felt the need for
a new theory. There's so many holes in the new theory I tossed it out in
about 12 hours. But the spin theory works and the cloud of subatomic
particals could be caused by stray intersections from harmonics and noise.

The implications of subatomic particals being intersections of electromagnetic
waves would be enormous, or to say things like change of state,(solid, liquid,
gas) can be controled electronically. Also transmutation, magnetic properties,
gravity and time. And last but not least creation of material and instant
placement of it any were in the universe is probably possible.

In fact it would point to the fact that all actions and reactions are electromagnetic,
if all observable materials are constructed electromagnetically.Take heat for instance
usually observed in the presence of oxygen , could be a speacial type of resonance
between the oxygen and the fuel.But hydrogen wich will burn without oxygen in
the right proportions, H2O, will not burn, possibly because electromagnetically
elements in the molecules can't interreact.

What I'm trying to say is an electromagnetic wave has magnetic properties and
should be able to react under the right circumstances like a magnet and display
all of the reactions and effects of a material magnet.We ought to be able to
create any other type of effect also.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2005, 07:19:39 AM »
You might find this link interesting.  Ever hear of the Philadelphia Experiment?  Supposedly Tesla and Einstein both had something to do with that.  Unified Theory, Mauntauk.........it all has to do with what you are talking about.  Magnetism and anti-gravity, time space, invisibility, etc

http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2005, 12:39:03 PM »
  I wouldn't stretch it that far - the "Philadelphia Experiment" is Realtivistic based (read: time travel) and this has nothing to do with Tesla, who was vehemently opposed to Relativism so I would toss that out the window too.
  What is true though is that the more recent "subatomic" or "plasma" theories do nothing else but confirm Tesla's Ether theory leaving out the Relativistic interpretations. Every "ponderable body" has electric content and as such is intrinsically linked to magnetism and it's effects. What changes is its interaction with the surrounding ether, this is what gives the appearance of a "gravity". If you have the time, please read this explanation where I attempt to explain it:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla%27s_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity

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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2005, 05:03:02 PM »
Well Tesla was a genius with a high mechanical aptitude wasn't he. You may have noticed
though he skirted the existence of matter completely.A light emits electromagnetic waves
and some of these, his terms can be cross referenced with other peoples as a rope can be
distinguished with vortex. His work has been hidden from us proving it works and the powers
that be don't want his work to reach the hands of the people.But you maybe overlooking
the fact that while they were withholding that work they haven't been sitting on it, they
have gone far beyound his developments and I'm more interested in what developments
they have made beyound his work they are hiding from us that you don't even have a
clue about it's existence.There are a 1000 ways to skin a cat and likely 100 ways to
modify, create, and defeat gravity, and just as likely 100 different ways to produce power in
all the other catagories on this site that haven't been discovered by the people and many
of them aren't known by the government.If they released all his work uncensored today
we'd still be a century behind.







 

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2005, 07:09:49 PM »
Which begs the question:

Then how far are 'they' behind?  Behind the One who created this complex proving ground we call home, that is. 

The simple way I see it,  they are light years squared behind Him and streaking in the wrong direction as they seek mastery of our base, physical realm....so the question of IF and how far ahead 'they' are is thought provoking and highly subjective.

The true technology is less a 'matter' of matter and it's manipulation.....and more one of energy.....or more importantly, energy sources.


And once one has been shown the Ultimate energy source.....reinventing the wheel, so to speak, is like 'playing in the safe place' and avoiding the greater issues rushing quickly now, to meet us, each individually, head on.


Free energy devices won't save you. They won't postpone nor subvert the inevitable.  They would titillate and entertain you for a moment in time......or serve, as the greater number of technological advancements have, to distract and subdue your higher thought processes while a large pot of 'frog soup' is being prepared for a 'feast of kings'.


Rev 16:13-14


And while they play about with His creation.....thinking themselves mighty, having been tricked by the false one into thinking themselves allied with the Almighty.....then suddenly that day will come upon them.


Matthew 24:29-31

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2005, 05:28:05 AM »
When we approach any subject with an electronicmagnetic wave from now on, I think it
may be wize to try to visualize a magnetic componet, just to see if it works, try the left
and right hand rules.One or two extra minutes might reveal something.Have you read any
discriptions of spin and magnetic influence from 1900-1950 scientists and have it go right
over your head.I can think of 2 immediately that give me the willies just to think about it.
This was a topic they believed was very important, they spent a lot of time documenting
experiments and trying to help you understand a conclusion that they felt was educationally
important. Edward Leedskalnin is the first of the two,he writes to all as they are 3 year olds,
and when he gets to the end he expects the reader to find an enlightenment I didn't find.
Then Viktor Schauberger (hope I spelled that right) spoke of reactions (via vortex) in his
pump that seemed important to me,I'm sure he was talking about atom flipping. Again I
didn't get it,understanding the function of a vortex still escapes me.


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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2005, 07:33:07 AM »
I have certainly proved to my satisfaction that a common dipolar arrangement behaves as described and I cannot perceive a better explanation for my observations than the 'spinning string' description.? Every test of this observation hasn't failed to conform to the model.? It appears as well, that these strings may increase noticeably in size commensurate with field radius.? The vortexual nuances and complexities of field interactions are staggering in consideration.?

I have made considerable comprehensional gains by observing the interactions of large and very tiny magnets as well.

I am working on a website and if it is ever allowed to exist,? I think it might prove somewhat interesting.


Peace,

TS





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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2005, 03:33:28 PM »
I'm not sure that proving something to your own satisfaction is really a unit of some measure, but I'm willing to hear your theory in full.  The hints you give in reference to it are intriguing.  Lay it on me.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2005, 07:18:59 PM »
You know something Kysmett?  Good point.  I'm not sure either, although I would take a stab at it and say: No.


Also, your dedication to sciential protocol is noted.? Take two units of 'my satisfaction' and call me in the morning......


Can I get an lol ?


Seriously though,? I prefer to leave the unit labelling and other such details to the......well, 'detail guys'.? I am working well outside their framework....and wouldn't have it any other way, really.  Besides, I'm positive that the correct names and standards of measurement will be revealed to me in due time by those who are......'more established'.


Peace,

TS
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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2005, 05:35:12 PM »
I understand becoming satisfied, you got to do it over and over and you drive
youself crazy about the one test that didn't work out right, and have to be
actually sure, and finally you become (satisfied) not the personal gratification
mind you. Satisfied that you setup the experiment correctly,got the results
recorded correctly,and last but not least have found results that can be
duplicated by anyone, anywhere, anytime ....Any help I can get on vortexes
I will appreciate.When you get your site up let me know.

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Re: Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2005, 11:42:23 PM »
     
     Tesla didn't "skirt" the existence of matter (infact he said a body without force is like a body without a mind, that is what invalidated the re-emerging Relativism which links and exchanges matter with energy) - why did you come to this conclusion? After all he has attempted to explain with his ether theory and his devices, it is rather the contrary. Tesla even "deconstructed" the human being simply saying we all respond to different stimuli, like his described automatons. His research in X-Rays and vacuum tube emissions and their descriptions all have to do with matter intrinsically and the associated effects. I am naturally aware of the possible developments using his technology, but this does not mean one must discard the origins - to the contrary. I see no direct link with his work and the "vortex" research. Yes these are modern times, but this doesn't necessarily mean we are further ahead. As you say, if we were to be given all his classified research, we would need to  pick up from there - "we" as in the general public, not the various "elites" who have been benefitting from this technology until today. The point of departure dates back to the early 1900s, that is what we have left behind and what has been lost and occulted. What do modern Relativistic theories really do? The ether based "electro-propulsion" (ala MHD pumping) worked back in 1900 when Tesla demonstrated it as it did evidently during WWII up unti now, and most of these theories didn't even exist then so why do we need them now? Because they are "old"? Who is to judge this? Why is it that more and more scientists are presenting "new" theories with "their own touch" which are a bad copy of the "basic" Ether Theory? The more we go on, the more sensible scientists will see that there is something wrong, unless they are payed to "dance along" as most are. When we talk about ether theory, there is only ONE Ether theory that holds, despite the fact that one can demonstrate mathematically what he wants to. Then from here, we can develop all sorts of Free Energy or whatever devices one wants, with this or that method, but the base is one and it is solid, it doesn't skew or change in time. Once you learn how to "master" this trick, you can apply it to a variety of different inventions and Tesla mentioned this more than once in his works. The conversion of one type of energy to another is the key to access this, and in his propulsion system the trick is to convert weak mechanical force to strong electro magnetic using the ether as the conversion medium, and it is free. He also mentions this in his "The problem of increasing human energy" document, how to create a neverending "sink" to make a machine work indefinately, such as his self acting oscillator yielding 70% surplus output. So you see, different devices, different situations, but all linked to one theory and one method of using it properly. All that comes directly after this, all the developments and all the inventions are a mere "consequence" - but this doesn't change the fact that it is because of this one theory and how to lever it that all of this is possible. We must not make the mistake of being presumptious and feeling superior due to our present technological state. We are in this critical situation because not enough of us have been able to stand up and realize what has been wiped out from our science text books and from history. There is nothing wrong in looking ahead and into further scientific developments, but we must know where we have been first in order to not be kept running around in circles and achieve nothing.

   Regards

Well Tesla was a genius with a high mechanical aptitude wasn't he. You may have noticed
though he skirted the existence of matter completely.A light emits electromagnetic waves
and some of these, his terms can be cross referenced with other peoples as a rope can be
distinguished with vortex. His work has been hidden from us proving it works and the powers
that be don't want his work to reach the hands of the people.But you maybe overlooking
the fact that while they were withholding that work they haven't been sitting on it, they
have gone far beyound his developments and I'm more interested in what developments
they have made beyound his work they are hiding from us that you don't even have a
clue about it's existence.There are a 1000 ways to skin a cat and likely 100 ways to
modify, create, and defeat gravity, and just as likely 100 different ways to produce power in
all the other catagories on this site that haven't been discovered by the people and many
of them aren't known by the government.If they released all his work uncensored today
we'd still be a century behind.

 

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