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Offline rave154

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #180 on: January 23, 2010, 01:49:05 AM »
magluvin,

nice work so far :-)

im tempted to join in to be honest.

lololol @ Orbagel & Sausage McOrbo

David.D

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #181 on: January 23, 2010, 02:00:25 AM »
Just got in from work :P

Thanks Magscave for making the new video with the current test ;)

I will post a new video hopefully in the next few hours that you will enjoy Magscave

Stay tuned and thanks for sharing your work.

Luc

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #182 on: January 23, 2010, 03:18:55 AM »
Thanks Luc And Rave.

Im half way dont winding my new Orbonbon. Im using the same cores but a lil different winding.
Ill explain and it make full sense.

Im winding the toroid coil first. By winding the pickup and the core together, the toroid may be disrupting the pickup as it does the core. By wrapping the toroid first and then the pickup, I will get my ac magnetic flow working the way I think it should.
I believe I was getting a good dc pulse from a jump to the inner core from the outer, but when I make the core and maybe the coil invisible, Im missing out on that half of the pickup, and maybe something else for that matter.

So winding the toroid first, then the pickup on top should give better results. I just figured this out about an hour ago and started wrapping. I should be done in about a half hour. It is 28 ga for the toroid coil and Im using the same for the pickup. I happened to just have 2 of those ferrite beads and the first one will be changed to this configuration also. We dont want a good effect to be come a bad one. 
This is a very good way of going about this. We get a full shift of magnetic current from the inside to the outside of the pickup, not just on/off dc as some of these designs show, where the off results in a spike, this results in an AC generator, at a particular freq of course. So we get something from the on and the off.  =]

Magscave   Magluvins Oven,  Orbonbons

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #183 on: January 23, 2010, 06:30:45 AM »
Well not much to vid. I used a thicker toroid wire and Im not happy with it. I decided to try it just from what I see others coils on orbo repl.   I fail to see that they are getting such low current consumption.  My voltage was up to 140 and my load went up to over 3v w/100ohm. 
So we cant look at it like it were a regular transformer in any way. So as a standard, I would say thin wire and many wraps for the toroid = low input current, good canceling field.
My pickup was about 90 turns, and I got more current out. Gota figure, I was getting almost 200v but my load res only went up to 1.6v, now my high is 140v but my load is up to 3v. So if my toroid is less effective at low ohms, low no of turns, if I get 200v on the new pickup with more wraps of thin, my load voltage should increase also, and my input should go down.  I think.  =]
This new toroid gets warm quick, I dont even want to see the amperage.

mags

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #184 on: January 23, 2010, 07:23:11 AM »
Hi all,

I have not been able to get any good results (worth sharing) by adding a pickup coil to the Flynn Parallel Path device I have built :-\... not too sure why but I decided to put it aside for now and replicate Magluvin idea and got results as soon as I tested it.

Here is a new video of my testing the Magluvin PM flux gate coil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3_vr8VIdpE

Please ignore me saying the coils are 90 degrees out of phase. They are just at 90 degrees from each other. It's strange the stuff we say when we are doing a few things at the same time :P

I really like Magluvin's concept with the coils being at 90 degrees from each other. This prevents the primary pulse to transfer to the secondary. A kind of Isolation between the two. So if there's activity on the secondary it maybe coming from the PM flux ???

Luc
« Last Edit: January 23, 2010, 08:07:05 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #185 on: January 23, 2010, 08:45:14 AM »
Good Go Luc!

What freq was that? Have you tried longer duty cycles?

Glad to see you like. Im about to hook up my second one for the day. This one I ran very fine wire, like 35 - 40, like a hair, for the toroid winding. I used a plastic rod that I made notches in the ends to pre wrap the thin wire on and it allowed me to thread the ferrite bead many times easier than the way I was doing it. Were were bored as kids and we did a lil crochet.  lol  we did.
And my pickup is 20 ga of 16 turns. I dont care at the moment about how high the voltage is, im looking for some current.
My input should be pretty low. Im doing a vid after I try it.

Mags

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #186 on: January 23, 2010, 11:58:10 AM »
Well my fellow Orbonians, Im beat. Wrapped 3 new coils and the first that I did yesterday is the winner thus far. I even did the OrboMcMuffin. There seems to be a happy medium with toroid windings. Or maybe I just need to have proper input. I can only imagine running the Orbonbon at 12v. That would be if the reeds could handle the load.
As I made conclusions, it got worse. I have no idea if containing the pickup within the toroid is better.  I would have to do 2 each way and see.
The clincher is, was I getting that big voltage from induced bemf from the toroid firing. All 3 coils I made tonight I expected way more, but got less as I tried harder. I got 16v from the OrboMcMuffin. So low. Well the first thing to do is, redo each with toroids over pickups and se if there is a difference. If their better this way, then there must be a magic magnet bemf thing going on, because if I Remove the magnets, my voltage is maybe 2v

Maybe there is a reaction withing the toroid that has an impelling effect on the pickup other than just switching flux path. May it is what Agentgates is seeing. It is a basic toroid with the pickup in or on.

I also want to try an air core with a toroid wrapping. Put it between 2 mags if it has this distorting effect on the pickup, then maybe the ferrite is in the way.  Dunno, Its 5:54 am and Im shleepy.  Visions of Orbonbons and Orboplumbs dance in my head.

Mags

So I got my mosfets out an my 556 so I can do a lil pwm.  Time to get out of the cave and into the trees. Ooo oo


mags

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #187 on: January 23, 2010, 04:14:58 PM »

So I got my mosfets out an my 556 so I can do a lil pwm.  Time to get out of the cave and into the trees. Ooo oo

mags

Hi Mags,

you will have more success using a PWM and MOSFET as switch. You will also see why I used a very short duty cycle. If you could get your hands on a scope, that would also help tremendously since without it is like working in the dark. You can pick them up used on eBay for $30. to $60. or a new USB 40MHz for $180. delivered.

Luc

Offline lumen

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #188 on: January 25, 2010, 04:31:14 AM »
Gee guys, I think were to late!
Check out this patent: US20090096219


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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #189 on: January 25, 2010, 04:40:42 AM »
Gee guys, I think were to late!
Check out this patent: US20090096219

Pay careful attention to the FINEMET cores used for the toroidal coils mentioned in the patent.  I've been pushing FINEMET as the core material in the other thread over the last few days now.  Metglas may not be the right material.  Both FINEMET and Metglas needs to be tested and the results compared.

Here's an "Intro Finemet brochure" in a PDF file, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=362


GB

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #190 on: January 25, 2010, 04:50:33 AM »
@GB

In the patent they did mention other materials, possibly with the same properties.


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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #191 on: January 25, 2010, 04:58:47 AM »
@GB

In the patent they did mention other materials, possibly with the same properties.

Thanks Lumen.  This is a great find.  Good Job.


GB

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #192 on: January 25, 2010, 09:54:45 AM »
Also note the prefered rise times
They are in the order of 50 nanoseconds or less...

Nice finds
Thanks for posting.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #193 on: January 25, 2010, 10:43:49 AM »
Ok  I broke out the 556 and an IRFZ44n to drive the Orbonbon. I also dug out my old RS ProbeScope.
Just a lil demo of the output phase relationship with the magnet polarity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjQpIISvIM

Mags

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #194 on: January 25, 2010, 10:59:25 AM »
Ok  I broke out the 556 and an IRFZ44n to drive the Orbonbon. I also dug out my old RS ProbeScope.
Just a lil demo of the output phase relationship with the magnet polarity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjQpIISvIM

Mags
@GB

In the patent they did mention other materials, possibly with the same properties.



take a look also to this one:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=FS6gAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false