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Offline futuristic

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2010, 01:55:13 PM »
Just brainstorming... If cylindrical magnetised magnets are hard to find, maybe we could use regular ;)


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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2010, 01:57:33 PM »
Bruce,

I got my new hexfets today so I will repair my switch. But I will not get the ordered
copper wire and other stuff until next weekend. So I will not be able to build any new
generator setup until then. It seem that the sky is the limit but we need only 1 Watt
continuous output to prove that the system works. So I will build my resonant oscillator
circuit and try that out, but with one coil only since I do not have any more wire.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2010, 02:03:37 PM »
@futuristic,

Good idea.

Yes that will work. But I think it will be easier just to stick one
magnet at each toroid end. We need just a little field to get
the generator output going. So if we use your center core idea
and then stick a magnet at each end, then it will be perfect.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2010, 02:03:37 PM »
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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2010, 02:21:04 PM »
Bruce,

I got my new hexfets today so I will repair my switch. But I will not get the ordered
copper wire and other stuff until next weekend. So I will not be able to build any new
generator setup until then. It seem that the sky is the limit but we need only 1 Watt
continuous output to prove that the system works. So I will build my resonant oscillator
circuit and try that out, but with one coil only since I do not have any more wire.

Alex.

Hi Alex,

I could help you with buying the wire, gladly! 

What is the frequency of the electrical power on your one output coil, with your present set up?

We can test my generator efficiency increase on this set up.  But first I need the frequency.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2010, 03:40:56 PM »
Bruce,

Thanks for the offer. But I have already ordered more wire.

The frequency of my RA switch is from approx. 1KHz and up to 19KHz with
the component values the switch has now. But as I said, I will build the
resonant oscillator and test what the resonant frequency for the coils are.

Will report back later when done.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2010, 05:14:21 PM »
Bruce,

Thanks for the offer. But I have already ordered more wire.

The frequency of my RA switch is from approx. 1KHz and up to 19KHz with
the component values the switch has now. But as I said, I will build the
resonant oscillator and test what the resonant frequency for the coils are.

Will report back later when done.

Alex.

Hi Alex,

When you are testing, please test what frequency is on the output generator coil, for me please.  What I am thinking is this.  Whatever the output frequency is determined to be, use a cap and resistor on the generator coil and have that coil resonate at that frequency.  By tuning it thus, it should increase it's efficiency dramatically and give us a larger output.  If that turns out to be the case, as I think it will, then all 11 coils can be tuned in the same manner.  I think when this thing is done, we could end up with a 1KW machine, self running, easily!  LOL 

What I also like about it, is that unlike other projects (non public) that I have been a part of, if this is fed back with it's own energy, there is zero chance of a lightening strike, because it will not produce any more power on the output than what it is going to be designed for.  That, in my opinion, makes it very safe to work with...when we get to that point!   ;)  Thanks!

Cheers,

Bruce


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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2010, 06:08:41 PM »
Hi Alex,

When you are testing, please test what frequency is on the output generator coil, for me please.  What I am thinking is this.  Whatever the output frequency is determined to be, use a cap and resistor on the generator coil and have that coil resonate at that frequency.  By tuning it thus, it should increase it's efficiency dramatically and give us a larger output.  If that turns out to be the case, as I think it will, then all 11 coils can be tuned in the same manner.  I think when this thing is done, we could end up with a 1KW machine, self running, easily!  LOL 

What I also like about it, is that unlike other projects (non public) that I have been a part of, if this is fed back with it's own energy, there is zero chance of a lightening strike, because it will not produce any more power on the output than what it is going to be designed for.  That, in my opinion, makes it very safe to work with...when we get to that point!   ;)  Thanks!

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

I highlighted in the above quote I ask:  What you mean here on output?

Output voltage or output power? 

Because if I got you, you would make the generator coil to be a resonant tank circuit for the input switching frequency, right?  This is ok and the AC voltage across this tank will surely increase, usually the Q times of the tank quality factor (XL/r) where r is the coil copper loss with the core loss and XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the resonant frequency.

But if you wish to utilize the resonant power in the tank, you have to match the load to the tank and unfortunately output power will be less than that of reactivly circulating, depending on the loaded Q that remains, when the load reflects back the tank.

Have you thought about the resonant matching needs and if so how you would go about it I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

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« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2010, 08:01:57 PM »
Hi Bruce,

I highlighted in the above quote I ask:  What you mean here on output?

Output voltage or output power? 

Because if I got you, you would make the generator coil to be a resonant tank circuit for the input switching frequency, right?  This is ok and the AC voltage across this tank will surely increase, usually the Q times of the tank quality factor (XL/r) where r is the coil copper loss with the core loss and XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the resonant frequency.

But if you wish to utilize the resonant power in the tank, you have to match the load to the tank and unfortunately output power will be less than that of reactivly circulating, depending on the loaded Q that remains, when the load reflects back the tank.

Have you thought about the resonant matching needs and if so how you would go about it I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

Yes, you understand what I was thinking...but, as you state, we need to match the load to the tank...any ideas of your own, while I ponder? 

Simply looking for a means to make the generator coil(s) as "efficient" as possible.  We want every single amp and volt!  LOL

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2010, 08:08:35 PM »
All,

I have done the first test where I used the one transistor oscillator. I made one
feed back coil in one of the toroid and used that as a trigger for the transistor.
The input usage @ 12,02 Volt was 0,654 Ampere. The output voltage from the
generator coil was 92 VAC. The frequency of the oscillator was as in the attached image.

I must add that the frequency without magnets on the toroids was around 1KHz.
And more magnets = higher frequency. I also had to "adjust" the inductive voltage kick
back from the two toroids by using different magnet strength on each toroid.

The inductive kick back from the toroids did not come at the same time and
the output was low. But when I put different magnets strength on each side then
both toroids gave the kick back voltage at the same time and the output went high.

I attached a 230VAC 15 Watt light bulb as a load. The generator voltage was 30 VAC with load.

Alex.
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« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2010, 10:03:27 PM »
All,

I have done the first test where I used the one transistor oscillator. I made one
feed back coil in one of the toroid and used that as a trigger for the transistor.
The input usage @ 12,02 Volt was 0,654 Ampere. The output voltage from the
generator coil was 92 VAC. The frequency of the oscillator was as in the attached image.

I must add that the frequency without magnets on the toroids was around 1KHz.
And more magnets = higher frequency. I also had to "adjust" the inductive voltage kick
back from the two toroids by using different magnet strength on each toroid.

The inductive kick back from the toroids did not come at the same time and
the output was low. But when I put different magnets strength on each side then
both toroids gave the kick back voltage at the same time and the output went high.

I attached a 230VAC 15 Watt light bulb as a load. The generator voltage was 30 VAC with load.

Alex.

Hi Alex,

Very interesting information.  It makes it sound like tuning the circuit to the resonant frequency of the toroids will be difficult...hmm..

One idea to make the input more efficient, is to measure across the Generator coil, and slowly drop the voltage on the input side. We need far less input power to "turn off" the field with the toroid, based on others experiments working on the mechanical version.  Perhaps one of those circuits, but with a differant means to trigger of course...What are your thoughts?

Also, a friend of mine suggests taking the gen output coil leads and going to a capacitor, and from there to a full wave bridge rectifier and then reading out the power in straightline DC.  Perhaps even smoothing it out a bit more, so that we can see where we really are, power wise on the gen output coil.  This would be a good test, I think...What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers,

Bruce


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« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2010, 10:26:24 PM »
Bruce,

Yes, the circuit is difficult to tune and the output is like radio frequency.
I move a wire and everything changes. Sometimes I can measure voltage
on the DVM with one wire only.

I have made a diode bridge and used a 2,2uF 630 volt capacitor. The high
volt is for safety when I forget to clip on a load. So I already have that.
I have tried charging another battery and that works OK.

I think that I have brought this setup as far as I can go. So next I will
start making the setup with a center toroid and several output coils.
I think that is the way to go.

My hope is also that other will start to replicate this. Soon 22000 members
on this forum. How many is doing research?

Alex.

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« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2010, 10:27:08 PM »
Oc,

Thanks for the link. I will check it out.
I also found a magnet man in Germany.

Alex.

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« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2010, 11:23:46 PM »
Bruce,

Yes, the circuit is difficult to tune and the output is like radio frequency.
I move a wire and everything changes. Sometimes I can measure voltage
on the DVM with one wire only.

I have made a diode bridge and used a 2,2uF 630 volt capacitor. The high
volt is for safety when I forget to clip on a load. So I already have that.
I have tried charging another battery and that works OK.

I think that I have brought this setup as far as I can go. So next I will
start making the setup with a center toroid and several output coils.
I think that is the way to go.

My hope is also that other will start to replicate this. Soon 22000 members
on this forum. How many is doing research?

Alex.

I agree, I too believe that more output coils is the way to go.  Also, it will allow you to wire the outputs in parallel and increase the amperage. 

There will be plenty of replicators once we show some real power on the output vs input.  Not many have your electronic skills.  So, hang in there and keep going!   ;)

I am still awaiting my toroids and magnet wire that I have ordered.  I will be building as well.  I have a brooks coil I want to test as a Generator coil.  I also have my mechanical version build, awaiting a toroid.

P.S.  How many Ohms is one of your toroids?  I looked back at page 1 and didn't see that info.  Thanks!

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2010, 11:37:47 PM »
I am also awaiting parts. Should be in sometime Monday. I've also ordered some nylon coated steel wire to test an idea someone made on the mechanical thread. The suspense is getting unbearable...

 

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