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Offline gotoluc

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 06:35:01 AM »
Hi ,

I  you're up already ;D.. here it is 25min. after midnight.

The toroid is about 10cm diameter and 5 cm high (wounded) I'm quite sure the cores are the silicon steel like you say.

So if you think these toroid would work then that means your device effect has nothing to do with the Ferrite core induction reduction when a magnet is close or on the core. Is this correct?

If so, then why are you using a ferrite and for that matter a toroid? would it not work with a regular wound coil? I'm trying to understand why this time you're getting some positive results ???  what's making the difference?

Luc

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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 06:35:13 AM »
@Oc,

I tried you link but got the following message:

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Some problems were encountered
The requested discussion could not be found.
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I have seen all the videos from TK. He is doing a good job researching the motor. Sometimes I
can detect surprises in his voice also. :-) Wouldn't be surprised if he finds some anomalies in
the motor.

Thanks for taking time to contribute to this thread.

Alex.


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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 06:50:09 AM »
@Oc,

I tried you link but got the following message:

"
Some problems were encountered
The requested discussion could not be found.
"

I have seen all the videos from TK. He is doing a good job researching the motor. Sometimes I
can detect surprises in his A also. :-) Wouldn't be surprised if he finds some anomalies in
the motor.

Thanks for taking time to contribute to this thread.

Alex.

Some of the forum categories over there require membership to access. Here's the text of the post of mine that was linked. It is a list of factors that affect performance and efficiency. However, I think there's a lot of other good information in that and other threads. That is where Alsetalokin hangs out.

"Output Rotor energy is related to:

1) Strength of magnets
2) Size of pole surface
3) Length of magnets
4) Permeability of core materials
5) Bulk of core materials (more is better)
6) Completeness of core saturation
7) Timing of saturation pulse
8) Duration of saturation pulse
9) Time it takes to saturate
10) Angle of coil face WRT passing magnet

Input coil efficiency is related to:

a) Permeability of core
b) Ease of saturating core materials
c) Bulk of core
d) Remanence or bias of core materials
e) Number of turns
f) Wire diameter/resistance vs. input voltage/current
g) Recovery of electrical losses (ringing and spikes)
h) Pulse waveform
i) Timing and duty cycle
j) Induction changes from passing magnets

Have I forgotten anything?"

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Offline Groundloop

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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 06:57:50 AM »
Luc,

I think the effect has to do with magnetic shielding. So any toroid should work. I'm using
a Iron powder toroid on one of my motors and the motor spins. The reason I used Ferrite
was that was what I had at hand. I'm reasonable sure it will work with laminated soft steel also.
I have tried this before in my MEG using regular coils and it did not work. It did not produce
the high voltage in my generator coils. I was using Metglass core in the (Tom Bearden) MEG
that I did build but could not find any great output after a lot of testing. The toroid system is
different because of the magnetic shielding effect. You get an modulating magnetic field going
in the center core. This will generate a lot of voltage in the generator coil. But it is early in
the research. We need to test much more to see if we can get an ou effect.

I have ordered more enameled copper wire and some new Ferrite U cores, I beams and some toroids.
Will be building the double system posted earlier in this thread when the new parts arrive.
I must add that I have not yet tried any resonance tests on this new system. But if you decide
to build this then I bet you are better to test for resonance than me because you have worked
on this for a long time now. I'm just a novice when it comes to resonance circuits.

Alex.

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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 07:08:34 AM »
Oc,

Thanks for the added information about the Orbo motor system.

In this thread we are trying to make a solid state version. So some of your points will not apply.
But good information anyway. One factor for the solid state will be the frequency. Higher frequency
will give out more power. This is compatible to RPM in a rotor, I guess. One other factor in a solid
state system is resonance in the input toroid cores. This will lower the input usage to almost
nothing while at the same time switch the magnetic field on and off in the generator coil.

So there is a lot to research.

Alex.

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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 07:23:04 AM »
Oc,

Thanks for the added information about the Orbo motor system.

In this thread we are trying to make a solid state version. So some of your points will not apply.
But good information anyway. One factor for the solid state will be the frequency. Higher frequency
will give out more power. This is compatible to RPM in a rotor
, I guess. One other factor in a solid
state system is resonance in the input toroid cores. This will lower the input usage to almost
nothing while at the same time switch the magnetic field on and off in the generator coil.

So there is a lot to research.

Alex.

EXACTLY!  Those two items alone, and the addition of the increased flux from double sets of magnets and added steel, might just do the job...  :)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 03:32:21 PM »
Ahhh

Nice to have you back on the scene Bruce!

 ;D

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Offline Groundloop

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 04:24:10 PM »
@Staffman,

Today I tried to measure the inductive kick back voltage spike.
I set the o-scope to 5 Volt/Div and used the probe at X10.
So each Div. on the vertical on o-scope is 50 Volt. The inductive
voltage spikes was above the o-scope edge. The setting on
the switch was NOT at maximum. I can go even higher.

So the inductive kick back voltage spike is > 50 *10 = 500 Volt. I estimate
closer to 1000 Volt or more when the switch is at maximum setting.
This is the reason that I'm using a 1500 Volt transistor.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2010, 04:51:14 PM »
Wow groundloop! That's one heck of a spike! The IRF PF50 should be here in a few days. Should I worry about frying it?

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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2010, 05:28:11 PM »
@Staffman,

It will probably survive. It depends on several factors. One is
you input voltage. Two are the toroid coils. Three is how much
power you put into your toroid. So if you don't push the RA
switch to maximum then you should be safe. Your transistor
is rated 900 volt so you can push a lot of power into the
toroid before the transistor blows up.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 05:44:24 PM »
 :o :o :o
I love big spikes!!

Carry a big stick!!

Alex ,
you have to be scaring the heck out of those electrons.   
Maybe now you'll get there attention ;D ;D ;D

Sweet
Chet

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Offline Groundloop

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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2010, 06:07:39 PM »
Chet,

I think there is a direct relationship between the high voltage
spikes and the high voltage output in my generator coil. If I
clamp the coils with a diode then all the output voltage is gone.

Do I dare to remove the diode over the collector and emitter to
see what big negative spikes will do with the output? :-)

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2010, 10:39:18 PM »
Oc,

Thanks for the added information about the Orbo motor system.

In this thread we are trying to make a solid state version. So some of your points will not apply.
But good information anyway. One factor for the solid state will be the frequency. Higher frequency
will give out more power. This is compatible to RPM in a rotor, I guess. One other factor in a solid
state system is resonance in the input toroid cores. This will lower the input usage to almost
nothing while at the same time switch the magnetic field on and off in the A coil.

So there is a lot to research.

Alex.

Two twin toroid inductors in resonance switching the magnetic field on and off in the A coil, lowering input to practically nothing. Awesome! Don't forget that the natural oscillating frequency of magnetism was estimated to be around 159KHz according to Hans Coler, demonstrator of the Strumzueger. Imagine two variable capacitors, hemi tuners, in adjacency. A powerful variable inductor nearby, regulating the resistance between the variable caps. One cap in series with the toroid's and the other in series with the A coil. This describes the kind of feedback loop Coler's Strumzueger used.

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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2010, 11:52:08 PM »
Hi Alex,

Last night I lay in bed thinking of this device we are working on and I thought of a easy test that would POSSIBLY allow us to use the other side of the toroid to produce additional power.  When you first see my picture, before you dismiss it, there should be enough of an oscillation of the flux on that side to produce something.  Even if it is a little, an additional generator coil could be placed on the backsides of all toroid.  Anything produced is "FREE" because the toroid doesn't know it is there and the back side is only being used as a gate anyway...  ;)  Of course, it may produce nothing, but I think it will produce something though not much!  Just place a coil over the two magnets and place on the toroid.  Add one additional magnet, opposite polarity as you have already deduced on the far side of the coil.  pulse and see what you see.

Cheers,

Bruce

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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2010, 12:32:34 AM »
Bruce,

Of all the crappy ideas,..............Just kidding LOL

I tested your idea. I made just a little coil onto a Ferrite tube and put the
new coil as in your drawing. And.................I worked! :-)

The generator coil did give out the same voltage as before and
the new coil was an added bonus. So now we know, three coils
on a setup like this.

Thanks,
Alex.

 

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