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Author Topic: Solid State Orbo System  (Read 375335 times)

Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 09:23:12 PM »
Bruce,

Take a look at the attached drawing. In this setup we use two toroid cores at each end.
Then we use a magnetic crossbar at each ends of the magnets. Now, when the toroids
are off then the magnetic field will take the shortest route in a closed magnetic field
at both ends.

Now we switch on the two top toroids. The magnetic field will now go through the center
core instead because that will be the lowest resistance for the field. We switch off again and
now we switch on the other two toroids. Now the magnetic field will travel through the core
in the opposite direction. We switch off again, and then repeat the sequence. This will create
an alternating magnetic field in the core and we will have a lot more power out in the generator
coil.

Is there anybody that have the FEMM simulator that can try this setup?
(Or other magnetic simulator that can simulate this setup.)

Alex.

Alex,

I LIKE that idea...a lot!  I think it will indeed increase the output.

Do you have the means to test it?

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 09:23:12 PM »

Offline Groundloop

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2010, 09:32:26 PM »
Bruce,

Yes, but not right now. I have to order more enameled copper wire first.
So it will take some time. I hope that some other member can do me a
magnetic simulation before I build this stuff. A magnetic simulation will
give value information.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 10:37:24 PM »
Groundloop

I'm building the circuit right now as a test before I get the PCB from gotoluc (Thanks Luc!!!). I'm hoping that the transistor used can be substituted for a NTE284 (bipolar npn). I'll let everyone know if I let the smoke out of it. I've had to make a couple of diode substitutions. For D5, I'm using a 1N4007 and for D1/D2 a 1N4002. I hope they will work out. Someone let me know if they will not work.

It's going to take a day or two for me to find some toroids and wind them. I probably need more wire too. I have an old pc power supply that has some toroids in the them, but not the size specified. They will probably work, I'll just have to adjust the magnetic field and windings a bit.

Back to the grind....

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2010, 11:34:39 PM »
@Staffman,

It is great that you will build this also. More people testing will get faster results.
May I recommend that you hunt for the Ferrite tubes that you will find on mains
cables to switch mode power supply (laptop supply etc.) They are great for
the generator coil. You need a little length so that the generator coil can hold
some wire.

The inductive voltage kick back can be brutal when you switch the
toroid coils. The NTE284 is only rated 180 volt. If you can find ANY NPN type
transistor rated 800 volt or more then you will be safe. You can also use a mosfet
rated for high voltage. Go for the above 500 volt N-Type mosfet. My recommended
type for the PCB is the IRF PF50 (TO247 size).

The diodes in the 555 switch is NOT critical at all. You can use whatever type you have. 1N4000,
up to 1N4007, 1N4148 etc. will do fine.

But if you use a bipolar NPN transistor to do the switching then you need
to use the 1000 volt 1N4007 across the collector and emitter. If you use a high voltage
mosfet then you can omit that diode because the mosfet already has an built in diode.

Groundloop.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 12:32:22 AM »
Groundloop,
 and all

I will not explain that I do not have a lot of knowledge, but

My thinking is, why spend energy for shielding magnets, if you can (energy) used to generate the magnetic field (electromagnet).
excuse my ignorance, but what would be the energy consumption if it were on both sides of the electromagnet of the generator, instead of magnets which must be shielding.
and the question of whether the same effect?
sorry again, but I realized it when I read this topic that can be a kind of link or similar principle as in the MEG generator.

tommorow I`ll give a shot and try to replicate groundloop`s generator in my garage, I`ll just use coils and magnets from my "orbo wheel" (it`s past midnght here)

sorry to my english (I never learned in school) but I vrote this text with help of google translate.


regards, Tadej

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 12:36:04 AM »
Groundloop thanks for the help. Much appreciated!!! Ordering the N-Type you mentioned and will also order P-Type for below....

Is there a way you could test to see what the back spike voltage is? We may be able to capture that back spike into a cap bank for added efficiency. Just a forward looking thought.

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 12:51:37 AM »
Tadej,

Welcome to this forum. It is always nice to get more people interested in free energy research.

I will try to answer your question. First, why use magnetic shielding instead of ordinary coils.
The short answer would be, I have already built the Tom Barden MEG and it did not work for me.

So I want to try something new instead. When we use magnetic shielding then all the power we
get in the generator coil is for free, according to the theories from Steorn. So if we can use LESS
power in the toroids to shield the magnetic field than the power we get out of the generator coil,
then we will have free energy. Probably not an easy task to do but worth trying.

Your English is not a problem, I can understand you quite fine.

Again, welcome, and good luck with your build.

Alex.


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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 12:57:27 AM »
@Staffman,

I can measure the voltage tomorrow afternoon. It is past midnight here and bedtime.

We can NOT capture that high voltage. I have (accidental) tried that and the output in
the generator coil drops to almost nothing. We must allow the positive voltage spike to
be big. The negative voltage spike will be channeled to ground via the BY255 diode or
if a mosfet is used, through the internal diode.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 02:29:49 AM »
@ all

Just built the Anslie circuit, all except the Transistor (just ordered IRFPF50 from Mouser). Circuit works great so far at 9V DC (instead of 12V). Scope shows a nice square wave at 10.22K Hz, 14.8% duty cycle. I can't wait till I have this finished. I have some RF suppressor toroids comming as well. I ordered the Fair-Rate suppressor toroids (PN 2661102002) I'll let you guys now if they work out.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 04:45:46 AM »
Great find and topic Alex ;)

This is exactly the kind of thing I was starting to experiment with. It was clear to me that an over unity device would use permanent magnet flux to output extra energy. Richard Willis Magnacoasters device works on this principal.

I have 2 identical large toroid transformers of 300va each. Primary is for 120vac @ 100mH and 1 Ohm with double secondaries of 40vac each @ 14mH and 0.2 Ohm each.

Do you think these would work to test your device?

ADDED: Alex, I tested these toroids with my inductance meter and when I approach even a large 2" magnet the Inductance does not drop since the cores are steel. If your effect is based on the inductance drop that a magnet does on a ferrite core coil then these toroids won't work.

I do have 4 of the identical ferrites (attached below) you have. Been collecting them from old CRT monitors I strip for parts;D... looks like a popular size.

FYI: I posted this in the other topic:

Hi everyone,

just to let you know that I donated out the last 3 RA circuit boards Groundloop had professionally made and donated to me for free distribution and mailing to help anyone interested in testing the RA circuit.

Thank you once again Groundloop for your kind generosity.

Luc
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 06:03:26 AM by gotoluc »

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010, 04:54:04 AM »
Great find and topic Alex ;)

This is exactly the kind of thing I was starting to experiment with. It was clear to me that an over unity device would use permanent magnet flux to output extra energy.

I have 2 identical large toroid transformers of 300va each. Primary is for 120vac @ 100mH and 1 Ohm with double secondaries of about 35vac each @ 14mH and 0.2 Ohm each.

Do you think these would work to test your device?

I also posted this in the other topic:

Hi everyone,

just to let you know that I donated out the last 3 RA circuit boards Groundloop had professionally made and donated to me for free distribution and mailing to help anyone interested in testing the RA circuit.

Thank you once again Groundloop for your kind generosity.

Luc

(THANK YOU GROUNDLOOP!!!)

Luc, I thought about that myself... A week or so ago I contacted someone at Bridgeport Magnetics (tortran.com) to ask what voltage level would saturate their toroid transformers (just to see). They said their 120v transformer cores start to saturate at 140V and completely saturate at 155V. I specifically was asking about their 1-1 transformers. I'm not sure what core material, or number of windings, they were referring to but I think that may give you a starting point.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2010, 05:11:46 AM »
@Groundloop,

I've been following your progress with great interest. I have some magnetics knowledge, but not much electronics. I just wanted to point out some things we have discussed related to Steorn's demo device on another forum. I think there may be some discussions over there which could improve the efficiency of this solid state device you are working on. Here's a sample:
http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=647&Focus=32821#Comment_32821
(You might need to register and leave a comment or 2 to the admin to access the forum)

I also think you should keep tabs on TK's youtube videos.

Best of luck,
0c

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2010, 05:18:10 AM »
(THANK YOU GROUNDLOOP!!!)

Luc, I thought about that myself... A week or so ago I contacted someone at Bridgeport Magnetics (tortran.com) to ask what voltage level would saturate their toroid transformers (just to see). They said their 120v transformer cores start to saturate at 140V and completely saturate at 155V. I specifically was asking about their 1-1 transformers. I'm not sure what core material, or number of windings, they were referring to but I think that may give you a starting point.

Interesting Staffman :)

Let's see what Alex thinks of them.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2010, 06:22:17 AM »
Luc,

It is great that you have decided to also do research on this, and also thank you for your kind words.
(  It is -13 degrees Celsius outside here now, probably due to lack of global warming, but your nice
words keep me warm. :-)  )

I don't know much about you mains transformer toroid but if they are approx. the same as the
ones manufactured in Sweden (Toroid International AB) where I get my mains toroid, then the core
will be tape wound with cold-rolled grain oriented silicon steel. You could probably use the primary
of you toroid at your switch but the voltage must be high enough to start saturating the core
so that you get a shielding effect. It will probably work. It will be a BIG system with those 300 Watt
cores, that is for sure. :-) The Ferrite tubes you have will be a nice test setup for a cheaper system.
I like to start out at a smaller scale and then scale it up if we get something to work as planned.
It shouldn't take long for you to wind a couple of those Ferrite tubes and start testing since you
already have the RA circuit. Looking forward to hear more of your testing.

Alex.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 06:28:17 AM »
@Staffman,

Thanks. :-)

That was interesting information about your Bridgeport Magnetics toroid cores. I'm sure this
holds true even for similar cores from other manufacturing firms. I'm looking forward to see
some testing of those big cores when you get the time to so.

Alex.

 

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