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Offline Groundloop

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Solid State Orbo System
« on: January 06, 2010, 06:21:24 PM »
Hi All,

I have started this new thread to discuss a solid state Orbo version.
I have build one version, not perfect in any way, but it seems to work.
I think magnetic shielding is important to consider when making free energy.

I use three Toroids (the one that is on power cables) with the size as in the attached drawing.
I threaded two of them with 4 wires in parallel 0,2 mm enameled copper wire. Did put as many
turns as I could on the cores, approx. 90 turns. I then epoxied the two toroids to the third
ferrite core. Did use two plastic rings to keep the generator coil in place. The generator coil
is wound approx. 200 turns with 1 mm enameled copper wire. The mostfet switch is
the Rosmary Anslie switch found in another thread in this forum. I have three pot-meters
to adjust frequency, duty cycle and mosfet gate trigger resistance.

I now can confirm that the energy created in the generator coil of my solid state
is real and useful. I have done a test and used the output to charge another
lead acid battery. I collected the high voltage output in a capacitor and when the
voltage in the capacitor reached approx. 220 volt, then I just discharged the
capacitor into the battery with a SCR triggered from a Neon bulb. When the
high voltage from the capacitor meets the low resistance of the lead acid battery,
then the voltage is "converted" to current in the battery, thus making the ions
move and ultimately charging the battery. I can not claim that my first crude
and simple setup is over unity. But I hope that future versions is better tuned
with better toroids etc. I have also learned that the generator coil must be
a high turn (thin wire) coil so that we generate a LOT of voltage with almost no
current. It looks like this method of generating power need voltage, not current.

I know this because I was WRONG about the fast switch on time regarding the
difference between hexfets and regular transistors. I found that in my first transistor
trial run I have used a diode across the coil to protect the transistor from high
voltage spikes. This WAS a mistake and killed the output voltage. When I removed
the diode and put it across the transistor collector and emitter instead, then I
got the same high voltage effect as with a hexfet. So I was wrong.

I think this solid state shows a great potential for more research. There are numerous
ways to improve the circuit. One way is to make it bigger. The bottom line is that
the system works and the only way it CAN work is by magnetic shielding by the
toroids at each end of the center core.

Did test this:

Without magnets = zero (or very close to zero volt) in generator coil.

With ONE magnet at one end = 1/2 the voltage (approx.) as with 2 magnets.
Tried both ends, same result. Did try both polarities, north and south, same result.

With two magnets attracting each other = high voltage on output.
Did try both NS and SN, same result at each ends.

With two magnets PUSHING at each other at both ends, zero volt at output.
Did try NN and SS and zero volt in both cases.

With TWO magnets NS and adjusting the distance to toroid with paper shims,
then I got even higher volt for the particular switch setting and frequency.
So there IS a relationship between magnet strength AND the power you put
into the toroids.

Groundloop
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 06:46:14 PM by Groundloop »

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Solid State Orbo System
« on: January 06, 2010, 06:21:24 PM »

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 06:31:13 PM »
Hi All,

I have started this new thread to discuss a solid state Orbo version.
I have build one version, not perfect in any way, but it seems to work.
I think magnetic shielding is importaint to consider when making free energy.
I will post the drawings and circuits here soon.

Groundloop

Great, look forward to your work!!

Ben

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 06:33:39 PM »
All,

Build the switch with the component values as shown in the attached
drawing. The three pot-meters must be external to the PCB for easy adjustment.
You can use almost ANY hexfet transistor as long as it is a HIGH VOLTAGE type.
You can also use a HIGH VOLTAGE bipolar transistor as shown in my drawing.
If you choose to use a high voltage bipolar npn power transistor, then you MUST
use a diode across collector and emitter as show in the drawing. If you use a
high voltage N-Type power HEXFET then the diode can be omitted since
the hexfet already has a internal diode. This is step one.

Step two. Find three ferrite TUBES that normally is used as RFI shielding around
mains cables. Remove the plastic covering around the Ferrite tubes. Now wind two
of the Ferrite tubes with as much copper wire you can get onto the core. Go back
to page 60 in this thread, post 891, and check what copper wire I used. Use the
same wire thickness and number of wires.

Step three. Find an old used and empty solder tin plastic spool. Cut off the top
and bottom of the spool, leaving a few mm of the center tubing on each top
and bottom. Epoxy one plate at each end of the third Ferrite core tube. Next,
epoxy one toroid tube (ready winded with copper wire) to each end of the plates.
You then get a setup as shown on page 59, post 874.

Step four. Now wind the generator coil with 0,5 mm wire as many turns as you
have room for between the two plastic plates. Secure with tape when done.

Step five. Solder two ends from the outer toroid cores together. The two remaining
ends connects to the RA switch output connector. Look at the attached drawing.
Connect power to the unit and try out different magnets. Adjust for best output
voltage by using paper shims between magnets and toroid cores. No need to use
the biggest Neo magnets you have. Try finding the magnets that is strong enough
for you toroids.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 06:33:40 PM »
I have high hopes for this device.  Keep on going Alex! 

Have you yet to test the steel horseshoe connecting the back of all magnets and increasing the flux?  I think that this might work and could be huge in showing more power generated on the generator coil. 

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 06:45:19 PM »
Ben, Bruce,

Thanks. :-)

I will continue my work in here. That way we do not have to clutter up the other thread.
I have not tested the flux bar from magnet to magnet yet. But I do not think it is needed.
My research shows me that if the magnet field is too strong then I need a huge current
going in the toroids to block that field. There is a balance between magnetic field and
the power needed in the toroids.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 06:56:10 PM »
Ben, Bruce,

Thanks. :-)

I will continue my work in here. That way we do not have to clutter up the other thread.
I have not tested the flux bar from magnet to magnet yet. But I do not think it is needed.
My research shows me that if the magnet field is too strong then I need a huge current
going in the toroids to block that field. There is a balance between magnetic field and
the power needed in the toroids.

Alex.

Could you not build some sort of switching device that will only allow the steel from one side to the other to connect ONLY when there is no power to the toroids?  This would be like a flux booster and yet when the toroid is turned on and is in "blocking mode", it is only having to block the same flux it is blocking now.  Just a weird idea, I know... but that is me!  LOL

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 07:09:24 PM »
Bruce,

Everything is possible. I have tried to explain the problem with
too strong magnets on the toroids. There is a limit to the toroid
cores ability to shield the magnetic field. If the field is too strong
and if we already are powering the toroid cores to the saturation
point, then all power increase after that point is wasted as heat.
A cross bar at the magnets will make the field so strong that there
is not enough magnetic shielding left in the cores to overcome this.

Alex.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 07:23:37 PM »
That's the spirit - congratulate Alex - will be really sad that you didn't continue sharing you excellent work.

Cheers,

Dragan

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 07:37:55 PM »
@oscar,

>>when you wind your next generator coil, maybe you can put a centre-tap in it.
>>Then you may want to test this arrangement again:
>>Maybe you will get "two outputs" with the centre tapped generator coil.
>>measuring between each end of the generator coil and it's centre.

I have tested the NN and SS magnets arrangement on my toroid ends.
I measured zero (or very close to zero) voltage between the generator coil
ends and also between the center taps and the ends.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 07:39:13 PM »
@dradak1,

Thanks.

I think it is important to also research the magnetic shielding effect.
Any more builders on this system?

Alex.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 07:53:18 PM »
Hi Groundloop,
thanks for doing the test I suggested. Unfortunately it did not give positive results.
Naturally my idea has only got a chance to work, if your generator coil consists more or less of two separate halves along the length of the ferrite rod, so that each one of these halves is covering half the ferrite rod. The right half coil is not allowed to overlap into the left half of the rod and vice versa. Both halves have to meet in the middle of the rod and this is where the centre tap must be. In the geometric middle, where the fields of the two magnets meet.
Maybe it would be best if you can shift/slide the coil(s) a little to tune.
However, I am not sure if it would work even if the above criteria is met. It is just an idea. I write this just to clarify my idea.

But please confirm: Your centre tap is surely in the middle of the length of the coil, but not in the geometric middle of the rod (which would be necessary, according to my reasoning)?

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 08:18:24 PM »
Bruce,

Everything is possible. I have tried to explain the problem with
too strong magnets on the toroids. There is a limit to the toroid
cores ability to shield the magnetic field. If the field is too strong
and if we already are powering the toroid cores to the saturation
point, then all power increase after that point is wasted as heat.
A cross bar at the magnets will make the field so strong that there
is not enough magnetic shielding left in the cores to overcome this.

Alex.

Yep, I understand that completely.  But... what I am talking about is having some sort of switching device, that only allows the steel to "connect" when the toroid is in the "off" mode.  That is when we want the most flux to pass to the generator coil.  And then, when the toroid is "on" and blocking the flux,the "switch" connecting the steel would be "off", thus the only flux it would be blocking is that of the normal magnets that you now have on there.  I do not know what sort of switch could be used, but someone might have an idea.  I have attached a picture.  I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but if a way could be figured out, it would give a real boost on the genrator coils, I believe!

Cheers,

Brce

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 08:29:39 PM »
Oscar,

The center tap is in the middle of the generator coil not in the middle of the
center Ferrite tube. I can not move the toroids. They are epoxied to the
center Ferrite tube.

Alex.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 08:45:27 PM »
Bruce,

I understand what you are saying. And it may work. The only magnetic switch
that I'm aware of is another toroid at the crossbar. This toroid must be saturated
enough so that we block the crossbar magnetic field when we fire the two other
toroid. Will this increased power usage "eat up" the gain we get? That is the question.
One way of doing it is maybe using two rotors, one at each end of the system, but
then we do have an solid state anymore. Your idea is good but difficult to implement.

Alex.

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Re: Solid State Orbo System
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »
Bruce,

Take a look at the attached drawing. In this setup we use two toroid cores at each end.
Then we use a magnetic crossbar at each ends of the magnets. Now, when the toroids
are off then the magnetic field will take the shortest route in a closed magnetic field
at both ends.

Now we switch on the two top toroids. The magnetic field will now go through the center
core instead because that will be the lowest resistance for the field. We switch off again and
now we switch on the other two toroids. Now the magnetic field will travel through the core
in the opposite direction. We switch off again, and then repeat the sequence. This will create
an alternating magnetic field in the core and we will have a lot more power out in the generator
coil.

Is there anybody that have the FEMM simulator that can try this setup?
(Or other magnetic simulator that can simulate this setup.)

Alex.

 

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