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overtaker

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 03:01:04 AM »
Ken,   I would recommend the team with Ralph,  Alan and James for your build.   I am not interested in building it for you or seeing the blueprints because I intend to take the patent route. I am very confident in my design also.  I will not speak for Ralph but he may also not want to invest his time helping with an open source build.  He has too much time and money invested allready not to be rewarded for his work.

Good luck.  I'm sure I will have more clue questions for you as this progresses.

overtaker

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 03:08:53 AM »
Wilby.  wrote:

explain to me why for the couple hundred years since bessler no one has demonstrated a working wheel... if you can't then that answers all the questions i need answered.

Actually there are two wheels that apparently worked since.  The Asa Jackson wheel and the Buzzsaw wheel.

Bessler offered his head if his wheel wasn't as he said.
Would you offer your head if someone builds a working gravity wheel?

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 03:27:01 AM »
Just as I thought. No knowledge just hot air.

Post something that will demonstrate your understanding of simple principles.

I have posted more than enough post to demonstrate I have a working knowledge of physics and formulas used in that physics book you have never seen. You however have posted nothing. LOL

So you are in the same box as the person who said wasted energy is a good thing.

And until you post a coherent post that deals with actual physics and the principles thereof you cannot escape the box. Sorry, no get out of box free cards.

HAHAHA
And by the way, you aren't smarter than a fifth grader. :D

"I am the rottweiler, you are the chew toy."


Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 03:35:04 AM »
overtaker,

I have already sent a few rough sketches to Ralph and Alan. Alan asked, I sent them to him. What a novel approach.

However, I am told they won't be able to get to it for quite some time. So I am also going to try and build this in the few minutes here and there that I do have. I am making a parts list with detailed drawings to send to get machined.

Are you familiar with the patent process? I myself have never dealt with the patent office.

Well nature calls.

"You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy."  :D

overtaker

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 03:51:44 AM »
Ken asked: 

Are you familiar with the patent process? I myself have never dealt with the patent office.

Yes and no.  I have a patent att. that files Provisional patent applications for a flat fee of $500.00 .  Along with that is the Gov. fee of $120.00 +or- . The provisional patent must be detailed enough for someone in the trade to build.  The Provisional Patent app. gives you your place in line but you must file your regular patent app. within 12 months. Of course to do the rest of the patent work he charges $350.00 an hour. There is an excellent book,  Patent it yourself by David Pressman.  If you open source I will respect your decision , if you patent I will also respect it.

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 04:13:00 AM »
overtaker,

I might do both. I do need to find a better place to share information though, this forum I do not think is the right place. I am not worried about selling the idea as much as I am helping the less fortunate.

However I am starting to think I need to give people an emotional stability test before I share, HAHAHAHAHA

I may have to just start my own website. Time to brush up on my html, c++ and php I guess.

I appreciate the information.

“Most people can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect.” :D


WilbyInebriated

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 05:40:31 AM »
Wilby.  wrote:

explain to me why for the couple hundred years since bessler no one has demonstrated a working wheel... if you can't then that answers all the questions i need answered.

Actually there are two wheels that apparently worked since.  The Asa Jackson wheel and the Buzzsaw wheel.

Bessler offered his head if his wheel wasn't as he said.
Would you offer your head if someone builds a working gravity wheel?

where can one find these 'apparently' working bessler wheels? nevermind, it's a rhetorical question... i know the tale behind asa's wheel and the buzzsaw (our famed ralph lortie found no ou in it...) and i don't know of anyone demonstrating a working one.

here is some brute reason... sorry to be unfair. don't you think if bessler's wheel worked more than two 'apparently working' wheels would have been made? ::)


overtaker

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 12:33:36 PM »
Wilby wrote:

here is some brute reason... sorry to be unfair. don't you think if bessler's wheel worked more than two 'apparently working' wheels would have been made?


Fair enough,  but Bessler's wheel did work!  Many of the brightest minds are not working on this puzzle because it is taught to them that it is impossible.

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2010, 01:49:33 PM »


here is some brute reason... sorry to be unfair. don't you think if bessler's wheel worked more than two 'apparently working' wheels would have been made? ::)

Again there is no reasoning whatsoever in that statement. It is simply playing the odds, with NO credible information, insight or even a hint of education. Sorry to be unfair.

Maybe you should try to grasp the difference between up and down first.
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ramset

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2010, 02:04:36 PM »
Well I'm not the brightest guy but I do recognize Smarts when I see them
Wilby I think you bit off more than than you could ever chew here.
Chet
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Super Ken
I like the Tiger woods joke
And "Soulshine " is very very cool

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 03:00:50 PM »
Chet,

Shoot me your email in a personal message and I will send you some sketches.
Between the sketches and the thread 98% of the concept can be seen.

Of course the thread is more revealing than the sketches. I am still waiting for someone to say, I understand your concept completely.

Instead what I get is "I don't understand your concept", along with, I  " I won't waste my time building it" Which causes me to question their intellect and skills to even attempt to build it.

They want to see the design, but then can't understand it, which I think causes them to feel inferior, and the rest is easy to follow.

It reminds me of the little kid who wants the candy, and begs and begs, but once he realizes he is not getting any candy, the kid then says "well I didn't want it anyway"

If I didn't understand something, I sure wouldn't try to build it either.
I would ask questions. Interestingly enough, the majority of people who say they do not understand, NEVER ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

Which reveals their education process, or lack thereof. If you do not know, and do not ask, you are as dumb as you were when you started.
Which is why many people on this site are not smarter than a 3rd grader, I do not want to insult 5th graders.

(The previous statements don't apply to all, there are few people who are legitimate, sincere and they know who they are. They even ask questions!)

Now if I were interested in something, and someone showed me a design that I didn't understand, I surely would ask questions.

Almost no one is asking questions, yet, EVERYONE so far has said I do not understand. (Yes I had to repeat this because I want to make sure that people see how damn stupid they are) And some even say the design won't work after saying they do not understand it. They might as well be wearing a DUNCE hat, after making that statement.

This isn't about a design problem at all, but an emotional problem of the mass of ignorance that plagues this planet we live on.

Now with the exception of those few who ask questions or willing to once they have time, the rest of these nuts are worthless, even to a squirrel.

If someone states the design won't work, then an explanation is also required, as to why it won't work. Which is what I provide when I tell people their design won't work.

Facts and Math piss the majority of the population off because these 2 things destroy their reality. Personally I would rather have math and facts than the nuts for friends.

I might as well pee on myself for the warm fuzzy feeling. LOL
I don't coddle stupidity and never will.
I do however try to help anyone who is actually trying to learn or understand. Ask a question, the answer is free of charge.

Out of all the people I have talked with, ONE person has actually talked about CALCULATING things before a build. The rest of the people throw ideas out, and do not for some reason think calculations are necessary.

I now believe they do not do calculations, because they do not know how.
I do not see anyone even consider the TIME factor in anything.

If you have questions chet, feel free to ask, after you look at the sketches, just email me your questions. If you decide to build it, and it runs. I require you to inform me that it works. That's all I require.

Build them and give them to your friends and family.

Well time to fix some breakfast. :D

A note to Willy: No one has built a working wheel in the past 300 plus years because I just started working on this in December of last year! :D











Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2010, 03:02:37 PM »
overtaker,

If you would like some sketches send me your email in a personal message.

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2010, 04:34:30 PM »
People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

ramset

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2010, 05:04:37 PM »
Super Ken a.k.a. Supreme Being
Nice to see a man of his word.


As you wish.

Chet

Ken the Great

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Re: Recreating Besslers Wheel
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2010, 05:38:51 PM »
Chet,

Man of his word is the only way I know how to be.  :D

If you decide to start building, let me know. There is one more point where energy is transferred in the low drum that has not been mentioned. And will not be mentioned on this thread. I will share it with you in an email though.

I have shared it with others in emails. If wasted energy is transferred to another part of the device, instead of just being wasted, then you have the chance of recovering that energy to put it to use. If a person just wastes the energy, there is no possibility of recovery.

If you see a point in the design which wastes energy, please point it out.

 ;D :D :P

I don't know everything, I'm desperately trying to figure out why kamikaze pilots wore helmets.