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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #645 on: January 15, 2010, 03:07:20 PM »
I have contacted Stefan and he confirmed that a working TPU can win the prize. Please everybody avoid flame in this topic.

@Stefan, I have found the answers for the issue I mentioned in my email last night (or morning?). Please move it in the appropriate one as it seems to be locked right now. Many thanks.

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I, Anthony Sprader claim that I have succesfully replicated/reverse engineered the torroidal performance multiplier transformer device (TPMT, formerly referred TPU) presented by Steven Mark.

The device itself is a combination of a low frequency switching power supply in kHz range and electron accelerator that provides more electrical power and current than the primary side receives.

The cause of the significantly higher drained electrical performance is that the primary coil has a diagonal long step winding technique that causes rotating magnetic field flow along side the secondary coil. The output electrical current is a sum of two different type of current. The first is created via conventional electromagnetic induction by the primary coil and has normal hole and electron flow components while the gained electrical current is a spontanous electron flow without hole counterparts.

Due to the unusual nature of the gained electricity the majority appears on the closest PN semiconductor rather than the load where electrons can find they hole counter parts trapped between the PN layers. The closest PN semiconductor is usually the switching transistor component on the primer side. The higher primary input causes exponentially higher hole and electron imbalance in the primary driving coil thus the heat loss is also increasing exponentially between the switching PN layers.

Therefore there are several possible ways to decrease the amount of impacted electrons on the PN switching device.

1. Decreasing the input performance and duty cycle to decrease the exponential hole and electron imbalance and increase the efficiency by using TPMT devices in multiple stages to boost the output. (presently it needs 2 stages min. to power a 250V 50W light bulb on 190V)
2. Using multiple primary coils and switching them after each other to rest the PN layers on each switching channel. (e.g. Johnson-counter and several oversized IGBTs or FETs)
3. Avoiding the use of PN switching devices.

In case of winning the majority of the prize would support further developments of the technology to comply requirements of mass production.

(Please read the email below with the description I sent to Stefan this morning and disregard the typos as it was very late. Photos and vids are coming.)

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> how I could send you back the test device, when the test time is over or would you like to donate the device to me ?

Yes of course I have already made a coil for you yesterday that naturally you can keep. The one I mentioned puts out 190V to the 50W for ~30 seconds before you can smell the plastic on it, so it's a bit below 50W and since I don't have light bulb for 1W handy at the moment to verify the requirements I decided to build a larger device for you that comfortably supply usable energy. Before I send it I will also video it and upload it to my youtube channel.



> a 9 Volts Battery would be okay, if it runs for days and puts out already 50 Watts.

I wouldn't push the prize with the 9V battery, I just enquired whether I have a chance with a device that not I invented firstly (replica/reverse-engineering) to win th OUP as I need to put more money in research to refine the device, make it smaller, more efficient, safe for mass production, make formulas for sizing and keep the thing simple. I have already spent a few thousand pounds on it over the years. So I just wanted make sure, also I'd like to understand what's happening inside the working models before I apply. I believe in complete work before opening the champaign. :)

Today when I built your device I found that the energy moves in the device is far above 1kW, the only obstacle that it comes out where you would never expect it: it doesn't heat the coil at all, they remain cold but cooks the switching FET on the primary coil nearly instantly. My device works, yours not yet... :D We always learn.

I was driving it with a power supply (0-3A / 0-30V / max. 90W) and switching it with a single IGBT (rated 1200V/74A in pulse and 500W in fully open state) between 5 and 500kHz/50% square waves (I can't remember the freq exactly but it is only important when you put the load on it). When I put the PSU to the max. I saw a big flash after ~3 sec. and the soldering on the mentioned well oversized IGBT's middle pin has molten and released the wire, which was ~1.5mm in diameter and sticked to the next pin to it. That should be an enormous amount of power couldn't appear in the secondary coil and naturally impossible to do it with a 90W input.



> Does it only depend on special coil configurations or do you use also magnets in it ?

Yes and no. Magnet is not necessary but the coil winding is very important and as I noticed so far this is where one of the key secret is. I use a "triangular" winding technique for the primary that seems to be vital. I worked out this technique while I was playing with the Rodin coil (that could be good for primary with one coil and large spaces) and I was thinking how the current flows in it. It flows in a cicular pattern and after it takes the ~360 degrees it comes in the next to it and doing it over and over again until leaves the coil. I remembered when I started the TPU research I had coil that worked but I have successfully caused a thousand pound damage in my lab during the research and I couldn't work for nearly a year on it. 8-10 months later when I've bought the new instruments I didn't remember clearly which coil worked how I connected them, but a couple of days ago a guy posted a schematic and I had a dejavu. Something told me that I have seen this technique before which is almost identical to what I was doing. I digged out that coil from the crate, connected it and the signal was what I expected. Then I took a look at SM's naked coil with the magnet but this time on the JD released vids and it clicked in when I saw the winding on the rim. "That is the one! I know now why I did it this way back then!" The winding pattern is the same as you would wind a Rodin coil but not necessary to stick to the 150-degree-step (mine is wound with 60 and actually this is another thing that I want to verify which is the best). So you go around with long steps, leave well enough space and when you're done with one circle you simply continue and lay the next wire in the space of the previous circle. You repeat this technique as long as you want, but (I think) you need to do min 2 circles (later need to be verified again).

I give you details on the first working device (which performs far better than the second one :D ):

to replicate it you'd need these things:
- Paper mailing tube, 80mm in diameter, 70mm long and 2mm thick wall
- 0.38mm for primary (I wouldn't use it again, need a thicker min 0.74mm)
- 0.74mm for secondary (same issue, not thick enough, min 1mm)

Both of the wires are regular enamelled solid copper wires used for transformers. (After seeing what I have already seen here I wouldn't be surprised if this device doesn't work with soft wires. I think this is why the current has to struggle to flow in the secondary. Possibility for Litze wire also should be verified later.)

Oversized switching MOSFET/IGBT and large heatsink (for now as this is where the power loves to be built up and not on the load hooked up to the secondary).

This is not important at all, but I use a 9A mosfet driver. That was just handy in the breadboard and I need something to increase the signal as the max output 3.5V of my waveform generator.

Use a knife and cut off the tube and cut in 3 gaps about 1mm deep and 120 degrees to each other on the top and bottom edges, but make 60 degrees offset between the top and bottom sides. So when you look at it they will be in a zig-zag pattern to each other and not above and below. Then you place the primary wire in the 1st gap and keep windind it perpendiculary to the tube. When you're done with the first circle all gaps should be filled with wire. Then you are keep going in this form, but you lay the next circle about 3-5mm to the previous wire.

When you are done with the primary, wind the secondary on it as you would normally do it with e.g. a Tesla coil's secondary. (I did it very tight but later we can try it out with gaps.) I used a tape between the P/S coils to fix the primary. When you look inside your coil it should show a twisted form similar to the Rodin coil and the primary wires are hovering over the tube. An important thing: probably you remember the little guy and the TV that exploded in the 60s that SM mentioned. The coils on the CRT tube are wound in this pattern, this is what I used as a starting point when I made my first device many years ago. (AFAIK this winding pattern is still in use and I think that a part of that energy used in CRTs are not all from the mains.)

Ok, when your coil is ready, hook up the PG, PSU, the FET to the primary coil and scope to the input and output. Do it without load on the secondary! Set the PG to 50% square wave and a low frequency as a start, like 100Hz and slowly increase the power on the PSU. You will see a beautiful DC hump growing. This is only possible if you have a slight rotating magnetic field as the winding with the big spaces have a very low inductance. Basically this device is a transformer with a Rodin coil wound on a tube and a Tesla coil on it. It is a simple as this. :)

Now, put a load on it and find a comfortable duty cycle that your load likes. Increase the frequency and the input. If the load is too big you can fry eggs on the heatsink as all the power will appear on the FET. I think this is because of the nature of that current is different. That is not a normal current flow where you have both holes and electron flow. I think the balance of electrons and holes are not equal. One of them is trying to build up on the PN transision of the FET/IGBT. I don't know yet, it also should be investigated.



> Does it use any bifilar coils, where the inductance cancels each other from the 2 parellel wires and uses high frequency for standing wave effects?

No, it doesn't need anything like that.



> On what frequencies does it work ?

Not critical, depending on your load. It is nothing but a performance multiplier transformer where the output is the sum of the input and the extracted energy. You can use it in a wide range from 100Hz to 1MHz if you have a well shielded room as there is radio broadcasting in the higher frequency ranges and at that power you can disturb it.



> Do you also need 3 driver frequencies ?

No but it would be easier to distribute the heat and rest the FETs. If you shoot multiple channels in series as I said in my first post on your site (a year ago or 2) you can decrease the built up electrons or holes (whichever is the case) so they will not pull the current toward the fet and will go in the other way, the load on the secondary.



> I am pretty excited to hear, that somebody really has achieved a selfrunning TPU.

Thanks. :) I am also feeling better as I pay 100 pounds electricity every month to heat my 42 sqm appartment. Now at least I can get warm at the over unity heatsinks powered by a 1.5kW IGBT and hooked up to the screwed up TPU I made for you. :D



> a 9 Volts Battery would be okay, if it runs for days and puts out already 50 Watts. That would be hardly to achieve only with a small 9 Volts battery....

Maybe I have forgotten to tell the 9V think was done by 2 or 3 TPUs in series and the bat was quite hot. Actually I used them as step-up transformes after each other, but rather they would cause drop in the current they increase both the power and current. I think those are not inductors on SM's TPUs, those ar mini TPUs driving the big ones. I looked at his devices again and I understood everything. (when we are over the hard work perhaps I will make some drawings on how his devices work)

The LTPU probably has 2 mini TPUs and the coils are in series on each small TPU, but they are connected not in the usual way and rather having 2 coils on each mini TPU, those are 4 or 8 and the crossing is below the device. The foil cap is perhaps in parallel with the output to smooth the HV spikes. I guess the LTPU has 2 driving channels for heat and peak distribution and for resting the transistors. I noticed that this fenomenon happens when you put the freq two high, also the IGBTs have slower falling edges thus they can trap holes or electrons in an unexpected way.

I used FETs before but if I wanted to make usable power. They simply got a whole over the plastic if I gave them the juice. It doesn't mean that you can't do it with FETs, but with these coils I used you need well oversized swithing circuits. I saw a video with John Bedini and saw one of his kW device and there were several (8?) switching FETs/IGBTs in TO-247 package in parallel configuration to power a single driving coil. The heatsink was the case itself. That relatively small coil didn't look that tough and would not require that. I think he has the same problem with the gained energy, it wants to go toward the closest P/N semiconductor. (before I forget: schottky diodes could be another solution as they work differently, no PN semiconductors)


> You can also start posting the blueprints or just a circuit diagramm first and then add stuff like videos or pictures later.

To be honest some characters are a bit arrogant and I don't feel to comfortable standing on the stage. That is why I contacted you.
Diagrams are trivial, simple switching circuit, the critical is the winding technique.

I attached a few pictures on how the first zig-zag coil was built. The paper tube coil is the working coil, the big one (yellow inside) is the one I built for you, on the picture it is unfinished. That doesnt work.

Possible reasons:
- soft wire for secondary, the profile is not circular as the collected electrons want to move and spin in a helix form
- 2-sided crossing primary coils can cause disturbance in electron flow
- thick insulation on the secondary, therefore bigger the gap between conducting media. Plumbing pipe could be ideal for secondary with thin plastic tape on it for larger devices.
- too many divisions on each circle, should be decreased and verified, 120
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UPDATE

IMPORTANT SAFETY REQUIREMENTS

1. Never feed back the output in the input directly, only by filtering it and take it back before the switching devices as it will extract literally infinite energy and create an extremely high electromagnetic field in the environment. Probably that was the cause of the accident with the TV that SM mentioned killed a 5-year-old child when the electron accelerators coil got an input from another coil that it triggered as secondary (very likely accidentally due to overheating).

2. Separate the primary and secondary units galvanically as the output current is hazardous, also keep that in mind if you connect instruments, like scope on both the primary and secondary coils you will make a common ground through the scope between the two separate circuit.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #646 on: January 15, 2010, 03:27:17 PM »
Tony
Thanks
PS It doesn't have to be perfect to change our world.
Who knows  It may have already.
Make the rest of your life
the best of your life

Chet
PS
Be careful with that alone in the cave stuff
stay with the people buddy
Its much better for the mind!

PPS I never thought I could experiment with this[to dangerous]
Turns out you showed how to do this safely [hair thin wire]
your coils are quick and easy
they won't make me nuts winding [big size ,few turns]
I'm with Mags [Hop Grasser] gonna get some things in the house to experiment
Thanks again Tony[for lighting the fire under my ass]

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #647 on: January 15, 2010, 03:32:10 PM »
Oh BooHoo. Wait Agentgates please don't go. I'm sorry I'm the only one who had any sense to see through your pathetic charade. Look I put my purple nikes on, see, just like teslaset, and pauldude and ramset and MK1 who wanna believe you so bad that they have lost any critical thinking capabilities. Please I want you to mind punk me so hard like the others that my a$$hole hurts. All you guys should be ashamed of yourselves, your all very smart know doubt but can't see a fraud for what it is. Agentgates I think you should have ended this a little more dramatically you know, like the men in black came and got you. Reminds me of the story of Plato's cave, where someone comes in to tell everyone the shadows on the wall are not the real reality and just turn around and go outside to see the real people, yet they refuse..

If you don't agree with what's being discussed, then fight with decency and proper arguments.
Maybe you are still convinced the earth is flat.
People like you should be banned instantly.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #648 on: January 15, 2010, 03:33:35 PM »
@psm1963

I have forgotten to add to wish you a great luck on this website for your spiritual healing why you were registered. Please keep up the good work, you don't need to struggle to find friends here who can join and chase the folks. ;)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #649 on: January 15, 2010, 03:40:46 PM »
@agentgates
Spoken like a true false prophet. You ,my friend, should seek spiritual guidance for misleading people and wasting countless hours of their time which would have been better spent with their families instead of following you down your rabbit hole of deception

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #650 on: January 15, 2010, 03:43:18 PM »
Tony
Time for a walk!!

Keep an eye on us  ;D

The Spiritual side is a Big one buddy.
Keep "that" healthy first
Chet

Hey 963,  yah got good numbers, there just backwards
do a 180 !!
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 04:24:38 PM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #651 on: January 15, 2010, 03:47:42 PM »
teaslalset

Decency and proper arguments. I just told him to put up or shut up. He made a claim ,show the video, and I'll shut up. I think that is decent and proper and I'm sure others would agree. What, I should be banned for not believing his load of crap and voicing my opinion, who are you, Stalin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #652 on: January 15, 2010, 04:21:51 PM »
Ok hmm. All yooz can blame me. Sorry.  Stefan  the coil you have, t claimed that it WAS a 1kw coil.  Then claims it wasnt finihed and doesnt work. Read sushi's post.  Does it look like some primaries are missing because they were removed? Old glue, impressions in the yellow insulation.  Hmmm  he says 1kw then doesnt work. Now look at the last pic of the coil he has been working  on. There are no primaries yet and the secondaries are glued to the tube. So why are we told to wrap our secondary on the outside, but 2 times now, at the beginning, now the end, his just happen to be on the inside?  Also if you can post some side pics of that yellow coil that would be cool.  Ask yourselves, is T for real? One way or the other I still keep finding something wrong with his story. Its a shame. If the garbage wasn all over the place, nobody would have to ask how it got there.    mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #653 on: January 15, 2010, 04:23:29 PM »
And thus the saga ends, as I well knew it would, but on page 44 not page 100 as I thought.  Those of us who have been studying SM's clues for YEARS, understand that as important as how the coil is wound, that there are MANY things happening in the collectors that cause a spin in TWO opposite directions like a gyroscope. 

Now, could there be an interesting affect here?  Sure, but is it SM's TPU?  NO!  LOL  If it were that would have made SM the biggest liar of all, and I don't believe that, though some do.

Ohms law is a beautiful thing.  Whenever someone refuses to give amp readings it is a general sign that there is a problem.  This was not handled professionly at all, and I am surprised by a couple of you.  Not for wanting to try something new, but for thinking that this was the SM TPU working.  Go back to the beginning and reread SM. 

The key is in the three frequencies that the man himself gave in private.  I showed the spreadsheet of what they do.  I showed from his own words about using standing waves all to drop replicas of the fundamental and it's second and third harmonics into the basket of each resonant tuned tank circuit collector, rectify this to pulsed DC and send it back as a bias and current is added to it.  Or forget all of that and just set up a standing wave in a 15" collector with the given frequencies for evidence. 

SM even told us how to wrap it and that was posted, by mannix himself and where are we? 

Nothing lost.  You can not lose something that you never had in the first place... ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #654 on: January 15, 2010, 04:35:14 PM »
That was cool Bruce. But we still have a 'hump' on a camels back to break.  The hump is the only plus I have seen and t states that in the sushi. Lol first post and then we have one replicator with humps.  Mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #655 on: January 15, 2010, 04:46:43 PM »
That was cool Bruce. But we still have a 'hump' on a camels back to break.  The hump is the only plus I have seen and t states that in the sushi. Lol first post and then we have one replicator with humps.  Mags

There may be an actual interesting effect (not OU) to see, at least Lindsay thinks so.  And it is always good to learn. 

My whole issue is the claim that this was somehow the SM tpu figured out.  And then the whole way in which things were handled.  De Ja Vu.  There have been many of these such incidents.  Melted IGBT's are not signs of OU.  MANY of the guys have melted them and more.  You would be amazed how the power supply can fool you. 

Besides, a SM TPU will never work off of a power supply, too much noise, only test with a battery. 

Funny, I know a man who blew a hole in his garage roof when his coil disintigrated.  LOL  Now that was OU.  But he never wanted to see that coil again...It shook him up, and understandably so.  Bob Boyce messed with a TPS or toroidal power system on an air core and was struck in his hand by lightening, with a lightening pole a few feet away at the corner of the house...Bob did not mess with that coil for a bit.  A friend of mine recently tested Bob's coil with his own controller and it was OU.  So, keep on testing...

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #656 on: January 15, 2010, 04:51:19 PM »
@psm1963

Don't push your luck buddy. You are right at the edge and with so few posts under your belt, you can get banned right away. I suggest you simmer down.

@AG

I don't think I posted anything bad or derogatory. Just realistic. How else would you feel if you were in our shoes. @sushimoto did the right thing to put the post number 1 above. Read in your own words what you have claimed. But words and deeds to not coincide and you cannot expect guys here to sit around like ostriches with their head in the sand.

If you come here and say you have the answer, then show it. But if you come here to ask for help, then ask for it. But if you come here to expect guys to follow along in a zombie state, then we definitely have a problem.

It is all a question of perspective. Your perspective is to say one thing but show another and our perspective is to be straight with other members from the start. Saying you have the answers is not the same thing as then pushing guys here to do all this R&D with changes as you go. This does not spell someone who has the answer, but someone who is working with others to find the answer. There is a major difference here and this is what you do not want to acknowledge. You need help? Then be honest enough to ask for it and not go by so many side ways. Based on that openness I and some others would have also participated more actively in building and testing as long as we are all on the same footing.

We have worked with many people here that have openly come to show something new or out of the ordinary and guys here have worked well with those that ask for help. It is that simple. Just be  honest enough to state the real situation as it is and ask for the help you need. Otherwise, it would be best if you indeed go to your closed laboratory and not be bothered by the real world.

Kindest regards,

wattsup

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #657 on: January 15, 2010, 05:34:06 PM »
And thus the saga ends

@Bruce
Hardly! I think this is just the begining. I had never been happy with format of the TPU that has
been spouted for so many years. It was something that someone came up with. I believe Tonys
Idea is the next stage of the evolution.

I would love to try your frequencies with a Tony style coil. Self sustaining rotating magnetic field might just be with our grasp.

In the mean time watch this video. It will blow your socks off:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1523833666089029157&ei=QphQS7DFNMaA-AaJifChBQ&q=the+secret+of+universe&emb=1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #658 on: January 15, 2010, 05:52:32 PM »
There may be an actual interesting effect (not OU) to see, at least Lindsay thinks so.  And it is always good to learn. 

My whole issue is the claim that this was somehow the SM tpu figured out.  And then the whole way in which things were handled.  De Ja Vu.  There have been many of these such incidents.  Melted IGBT's are not signs of OU.  MANY of the guys have melted them and more.  You would be amazed how the power supply can fool you. 

Besides, a SM TPU will never work off of a power supply, too much noise, only test with a battery. 

Funny, I know a man who blew a hole in his garage roof when his coil disintigrated.  LOL  Now that was OU.  But he never wanted to see that coil again...It shook him up, and understandably so.  Bob Boyce messed with a TPS or toroidal power system on an air core and was struck in his hand by lightening, with a lightening pole a few feet away at the corner of the house...Bob did not mess with that coil for a bit.  A friend of mine recently tested Bob's coil with his own controller and it was OU.  So, keep on testing...

Cheers,

Bruce

Hehehe, I'm thinking a long time about Bob Boyce TPU... is his TPU perhaps the real operation-mode to achieve OU ?

 

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #659 on: January 15, 2010, 05:54:01 PM »
@psm1963,

finally found a thread you could discredit? go back to sleep.